The intro is awesome, Great use of Ambient sounds in a (A)minor key. Very compressed so it takes a little away from the dynamics. A beautiful song though. I love when the piano comes in around 1:05. This could be a nice intro into a more massive tune. Enjoyed that
Cru
There is a lot to like about this mix. Have you experimented with expanding the pan a little bit and using a lighter Dynamic compression. For example when the "do you wanna dance" kicks on it's great, stereo panned and in your face. But that synth stab comes in and it's just kind of in the center and has no energy compared to that phrasing. (and that's the phrase you want to make you feel the energy of the track. Try splitting the stab and hard panning both channels. On one channel add just a small slight touch of distortion. You will be then emulating a hardware unit we used (back in the day)called an audio exciter. For some reason doing this would brighten the sound and make it more interesting. You made a very nice comment on my latest track "You always know how to maximize the minimal sound"
To create that minimal sound I use a hell of a lot of subtle harmonics and sub sounds and barely audible phrasings and percussions that just push the main theme or melody along.
I do like how you build the percussion in this one. But when you use a synth phrase try using multiple phrasing to create something bigger. Even take that synth stab and raise it a third or a fifth (chord structure) and pan it right lower in the mix and you will hear something interesting.
Anyhoo, love where you're going with this.
Cru
Thanks for your advice. You definetly know how to mixdown a track and can learn from you a lot. I will definetly try out your advice and put it in my track. I am still a beginner when it comes to mixing and your remarks really help me out.
Loved this. Prince was a huge influence in my songwriting, as well as the whole Minneapolis scene. I can hear that influence in this work. Nice Rhodes piano. Also I like the way you incorporate the electronic with the organic. Is that your guitar playing cos it's awesome. Reminds me a bit of a more bluesy Stuart Matthewman (Cottonbelly). Great job
Cru
I was thinking. if we have the blues, but we sound like Prince, do we have the Purples?
Purples - why not hey!Great to have the loops synth wizard enjoying the track.Thanks for the compliment on my guitar playing on this one,i never use samples except for drums.I will check out Cottonbelly.Take care.
F**k Nuts!
"Mostly, I'm realizing that I don't have the budget to make things how I'd like, i.e. better drums, a tube amp and an electric guitar meant more for metal than my PRS, and paying for repairs on my main instrument, my dead bass guitar. I'm trying to move towards heavier metal-infused music and realized I'm very unpracticed. Just gotta grow some nuts and push through my self doubt."
There was a time years ago I could only afford radioshack shit equipment and a cheap tape deck my sister and I shared 30 bucks on buying. But I would never give that up because it taught me to make the best music possible with the shitiest sounds available. So I made some $ in the early millennium and bought some nice synths. well guess what!!! I got married and now have to think of more than one person. So I learned Linux, a free solution to OPS systems and loaded with free software like LMMS. I still use acid pro 4.0 for loops, Ardour for recording and audacity for mastering. Is it Pro-tools...no, Do I make it sound the best I can possibly make it sound...hell yeah! Do people like it...yeah some do..
you said it yourself. Honesty... that is all we as musicians can do with what we have. be honest and authentic. When you do that amazing things can happen.
Right now I am listening to Talk Talk. al 5 albums.
Album 1. New romantic, new wave crap with a few interesting songs.
Album, 2 ahh new wave and pop masterpiece 3 songs amazing 2 b sides well done. Album 3 , what's that you say, no more synths just organic instruments.. ahh well, well done lads you made 3 pop tunes out of piano and percussion and great vox and timeless songwriting plus...is that dissonance. cool ok whatever keep on. OK 4th album...what do you call this...atonal jazz. um what does your record company say about this..well at least there is one song we can say artistically brilliant. ahh so you have successfully sued and left your record company. so what is the 5th album about... umm gawd is that possible. atonal jazz again.. what is that.... you invented post rock.. well bah bye.
Mark Hollis had a vision, and be damned if that vision did not mean no record company and ending Talk Talk forever. But it was amazing as a ride, and pure balls. so don't lose the faith. do what you do and discover ehat you want when you can. that's my crazy advice from one Bro to Another.
Cru Cru
Ok You... Tough love time.
First. You are a freaking talented bassist and songwriter .
second. the fact that people like Static and myself pay attention to your work is because it's good, it's Damn fucking good.
DO NOT LET a detailed critique of your work bring you down or make you feel like this is all for nought. When people who are similar in their artistic endeavors get together and feel comfortable with each other and let their guard down to showcase their vulnerabilities this will inevitably happen. When someone offers a detailed critique on this level , it's because it's already really good, but... hey this will make it over the top....
So get off your sorry-wagon (i'm not sure what that is truly) and realize there is an incredible group of artists here that listen and enjoy your work, and an even fewer subset that offers advice to enhance what you do. (take it or not) It is a really special thing. Do something different should be a challenge to the nail scratching, bitingly sarcastic (which is a sign of intelligence) middle american I have come to know and love over these few years and say... "DON't TREAD ON ME....to the British scum who keep stealing our tea and making us pay high prices for cable and making us watch downton abbey.. for shame those scoundrels are worse than the terrorists.
are you laughing yet..good. Every creative piece of work we make is not the serious end all be all but something of value that we cherish. When we share that value it becomes vulnerable. When it's vulnerable take it with a grain of salt. cos if you believe in it. Well.. then that's another story and another world that you can find others who believe in your vision.
Crucrest out!!
Damn, tough love from Crucethus. I hope he lubes up first!
First and foremost, your words really made me feel better. Not that my tender feeling needed to be coddled, or I need praise for every track I make, but for speaking to me like a brother. Alex and yourself are very kind in that way. Be it "sounds good" or "you could do better", there is a sense of attachment that is very rare in my life.
My boo-hooing wasn't really over this last track, but it did send it over the edge. Ive felt this way for a while. Mostly, I'm realizing that I don't have the budget to make things how I'd like, i.e. better drums, a tube amp and an electric guitar meant more for metal than my PRS, and paying for repairs on my main instrument, my dead bass guitar. I'm trying to move towards heavier metal-infused music and realized I'm very unpracticed. Just gotta grow some nuts and push through my self doubt.
"British scum"
This made me laugh so hard I blew snot on my phone. I realize now that I shouldn't have said what I said. Honesty is precious to me. Whining and being a bitch just does myself a disservice by disuading others from being open and honest. My response should have been in the form of a new track that proves myself wrong.
No more. I won't be quitting. Not sure if I could stand it. Just gotta try harder and stop coasting. Once I started making decent tracks, I quit applying myself, partly due to the praise from this site. I quit growing and that is a shame. Fuck that. I gotta wake back up.
Thank you for the "NUT UP!" talk. My empty scrotum apparently needed it.
Hey John 5 Hand Cock. (I read the previous reviews)
I love the change at 1:35. everything before that sounds like many of your earlier works. but from a musical point of view I love that direction you took post 1:35. Mahloo makes some great points on the percussion. Change that in the mix and everything else becomes golden because the bass is special and the guitars are very engaged.
So now I must ask, what are you harvesting from backstabbers. literal Knives? Insults? More Kardashians? just a curio I guess.
What else...... if Static is going to jail for double posts, then I might be in the cell next to him.
" Plugged ears from a head cold,"
Nothing better than a small glass.. some ice, a slice of lemon, and a pony shot of nyquil that will cure that.
anyhoo carry on Evita with your bass like songs they amuse me.....would be something an asshole would say. so I will just say hey man...nice shot.
Crutalk
I'll be messing with the drums this evening. Hopefully I improve them.
Backstabber's Harvest means reaping what you sow. Reciprocity. Backstabber receiving a jab of his own. Don't know what brought the name about, but I like it.
I'll do what I can with what I have, drum wise, and update soon. Thanks for the listen.
These old Bose 2.5's from 1985 are sparkling tonight listening to this tune. Good luck with the contest. I want to hear vocals on this one as it would be amazing. I dub your genre of music New Americana. Sort of Country, sort of rock, but it expresses the American songbook of the youth as it applies to NOW.
Love how it builds in intensity, love the dynamics and mixing. This is a nice piece of music jamid. The percussion is great especially with the stereo reverb slap backs. gives you a sense of urban space.
Cru
Hello Cru,
Thank you very much mate.
I am really glad you like it, such words coming from a master of the industry is an honour.
Thanks for the feedback mate.
Jamid
So I like the minimal drone dance track underneath you bringing in the in your face techno sounds. This is a Berliner Techno tune and not a house tune. Think Tresor 1998 like Cosmic Baby. I love at 3:05 you bring in some drums and a jazz flair and then take it away from us like a giant tease. It's unique for how you presented this to us. You obviously like the fact I bring elements in and out in my songs but you have done it in a way that is different and creative. I get it and love it. The chopping of Joe's vox is also brilliant. fav'd Alex.
pure mad genius material.
Steve
hello Steve
Thanks for nice words. I can always grab house loops and make more and more proper house track, no problem with that.
It is 128 BPM but who cares. Everything is mixed inside Joe's vocal and I created that disco-type bassline on Microbrute myself.
I can not remember 1998.
Loved this. My only(very Minor) complaint as it might be just a eeny tiny bit overcompressed, but the bass is phenomenal as well as the atmosphere of this one. Percussion is awesome. This belongs on a dance floor somewhere. And that sax is sublime. Love the breakdown dj ending. Great job. Fav'd
Cru
Ah that would probably be the final limiter, your right i did push it a little and forgot id did some cut and boost in the low end which will be causing that over do, that mate ;) im doing an extended more complicated version (with sax etc) so will smooth the eq off a little to bring down that over compression :)
I must say I am not a fan of midi instruments for there fake quality, but as a composition you did great, totally captured the jazz age. Now if you can get some more realistic instruments you will have a winner.
Cru
Completely agree with. DJSLTUK on this one. It's not disco is almost a Hard house electro hybrid. And it has some cool elements to it. It needs some variation and I think in the percussion is where I would play around with this one a bit. Do that and you may have an anthem for the dance floor.
Cru
Hah, That song was from the Canadian band LEN, circa 1999. You chopped it well as I could barely hear it in there as it's sickly sweet sticky buns melody made it the summer number one in both the US and Canada.
Instead you chooped it into a raw sinister industrial sound which I liked as well.
good on you.
Cru
Thanks Steve! I attempted to make it a little more dark than the original track, as it was for rap. I can actually hear the industrial sound you mention.
I listened and immediately threw down my cheaters. This one's got the goods! You didn't send us on a trip for biscuits. A copacetic song I could get zozzled too. Hep hep hurrah!
There is a very retro-futuristic sound you convey here. I get Depeche Mode in the Verse. But your voice is distinct gruff and very good for this song. This is just good pop. great job.
congrats on your work.
cru
Thank you so much, really appreciate it! Not my usual sound, glad it's translating! And now that you say it I can definitely hear some Depeche Mode in there
I like that particular album too. Basically all the instruments are virtual ones (there are live-recorded real guitars on 2 tracqks though) - a very impressive and effective programming work. Also I like the conceptual vision of the album as a whole thing, each single composition is very carefully designed. I checked DEVO refference and you are right - Toax's music is just that kind of pastiche I guess.
Thanks again for nice comments!
The "A" game has been brought to the table. Beautiful Minimalism with hints of atonality and dissonance. Spooky vocals. Pure genius. A koto as well. 4:56 has a nice percussion and jazz sensibility. Then some nice clavs. And a cool movable bass and then the vocal ghosts. And a minimal arpeggiated ending.
congrats you nailed this one Alex.
Fav'd and downloaded (thanks)
Thank you Steve!
We did intense online collab before ('Toax' as other virtual persona as he had few different musical projects) but this is definitely the best one. I asked him for original midi files of 'Neberwirkungen' and layered them using virtual epiano, guitar and a little bit of 'ghost' drumming in the background. I transformed some sequences applying a 'groove delay' plugin to get the interesting rhytmic movement too. All the rest is simply a Roland JunoDi synth. I created 0:00 - 4:00 section first - he added vocal and funky bassline. Then I developed this final version. He stretched the vocal which I processed even more afterwards - the idea was to get a kind of 'afterlife' vibe (because he is obviously speaking to us 'from there'). I really liked that idea.
Funky bassline created by Toax on virtual bass guitar.
I made everything directly on Roland. Drums around 5:00, for example, are from Roland's 'Jazz Brush' drumset and it is actually a random linear pattern I recorded. It is layered with the other pattern with snare accenting 'four'. Epiano and clavinet are also Roland sounds - those are just few riffs I managed to record in a short time and mix along the given funky bassline. I didn't use arpeggiator for that sequence at the end - it is a 'Tri Sine Lead' Roland patch played in a real time with huge reverb and a delay by using the pitch bend wheel.
So this is basically a result of working with given sounds and sequences. Very much experimental and it is a colorful soundscape basically but has more dynamic sections too. Surely the most complex composition I ever made considering the amount of elements used.
I am glad you liked few jazzy flavours I introduced. Thank you for all good words and your support!
Alex
on Combo Move by ReonN
Cru
on Discover by AviatOfficial
Cru
Glad you liked it :)
Regards.
on Losing you by Rhodesy
Thanks :)
on The Chosen by mudhoen
To create that minimal sound I use a hell of a lot of subtle harmonics and sub sounds and barely audible phrasings and percussions that just push the main theme or melody along.
I do like how you build the percussion in this one. But when you use a synth phrase try using multiple phrasing to create something bigger. Even take that synth stab and raise it a third or a fifth (chord structure) and pan it right lower in the mix and you will hear something interesting.
Anyhoo, love where you're going with this.
Cru
on Losing you by Rhodesy
Cru
I was thinking. if we have the blues, but we sound like Prince, do we have the Purples?
on Xyilent - Morning Waltz by XyIlent
Cru
thanks! :D
on I Will Be Fine by Cestevens1783
on The Spanish Sun by DijamMusic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h3w7UfDRTw
Cru
Thanks mate, that was truly remarkable.
Jamid
on Backstabbers Harvest by Evisma
"Mostly, I'm realizing that I don't have the budget to make things how I'd like, i.e. better drums, a tube amp and an electric guitar meant more for metal than my PRS, and paying for repairs on my main instrument, my dead bass guitar. I'm trying to move towards heavier metal-infused music and realized I'm very unpracticed. Just gotta grow some nuts and push through my self doubt."
There was a time years ago I could only afford radioshack shit equipment and a cheap tape deck my sister and I shared 30 bucks on buying. But I would never give that up because it taught me to make the best music possible with the shitiest sounds available. So I made some $ in the early millennium and bought some nice synths. well guess what!!! I got married and now have to think of more than one person. So I learned Linux, a free solution to OPS systems and loaded with free software like LMMS. I still use acid pro 4.0 for loops, Ardour for recording and audacity for mastering. Is it Pro-tools...no, Do I make it sound the best I can possibly make it sound...hell yeah! Do people like it...yeah some do..
you said it yourself. Honesty... that is all we as musicians can do with what we have. be honest and authentic. When you do that amazing things can happen.
Right now I am listening to Talk Talk. al 5 albums.
Album 1. New romantic, new wave crap with a few interesting songs.
Album, 2 ahh new wave and pop masterpiece 3 songs amazing 2 b sides well done. Album 3 , what's that you say, no more synths just organic instruments.. ahh well, well done lads you made 3 pop tunes out of piano and percussion and great vox and timeless songwriting plus...is that dissonance. cool ok whatever keep on. OK 4th album...what do you call this...atonal jazz. um what does your record company say about this..well at least there is one song we can say artistically brilliant. ahh so you have successfully sued and left your record company. so what is the 5th album about... umm gawd is that possible. atonal jazz again.. what is that.... you invented post rock.. well bah bye.
Mark Hollis had a vision, and be damned if that vision did not mean no record company and ending Talk Talk forever. But it was amazing as a ride, and pure balls. so don't lose the faith. do what you do and discover ehat you want when you can. that's my crazy advice from one Bro to Another.
Cru Cru
I've left the DAW alone, and will for at least another week. Getting back to basics, and working hard on alternate picking.
Thank you again for your help.
Evan
on Backstabbers Harvest by Evisma
First. You are a freaking talented bassist and songwriter .
second. the fact that people like Static and myself pay attention to your work is because it's good, it's Damn fucking good.
DO NOT LET a detailed critique of your work bring you down or make you feel like this is all for nought. When people who are similar in their artistic endeavors get together and feel comfortable with each other and let their guard down to showcase their vulnerabilities this will inevitably happen. When someone offers a detailed critique on this level , it's because it's already really good, but... hey this will make it over the top....
So get off your sorry-wagon (i'm not sure what that is truly) and realize there is an incredible group of artists here that listen and enjoy your work, and an even fewer subset that offers advice to enhance what you do. (take it or not) It is a really special thing. Do something different should be a challenge to the nail scratching, bitingly sarcastic (which is a sign of intelligence) middle american I have come to know and love over these few years and say... "DON't TREAD ON ME....to the British scum who keep stealing our tea and making us pay high prices for cable and making us watch downton abbey.. for shame those scoundrels are worse than the terrorists.
are you laughing yet..good. Every creative piece of work we make is not the serious end all be all but something of value that we cherish. When we share that value it becomes vulnerable. When it's vulnerable take it with a grain of salt. cos if you believe in it. Well.. then that's another story and another world that you can find others who believe in your vision.
Crucrest out!!
First and foremost, your words really made me feel better. Not that my tender feeling needed to be coddled, or I need praise for every track I make, but for speaking to me like a brother. Alex and yourself are very kind in that way. Be it "sounds good" or "you could do better", there is a sense of attachment that is very rare in my life.
My boo-hooing wasn't really over this last track, but it did send it over the edge. Ive felt this way for a while. Mostly, I'm realizing that I don't have the budget to make things how I'd like, i.e. better drums, a tube amp and an electric guitar meant more for metal than my PRS, and paying for repairs on my main instrument, my dead bass guitar. I'm trying to move towards heavier metal-infused music and realized I'm very unpracticed. Just gotta grow some nuts and push through my self doubt.
"British scum"
This made me laugh so hard I blew snot on my phone. I realize now that I shouldn't have said what I said. Honesty is precious to me. Whining and being a bitch just does myself a disservice by disuading others from being open and honest. My response should have been in the form of a new track that proves myself wrong.
No more. I won't be quitting. Not sure if I could stand it. Just gotta try harder and stop coasting. Once I started making decent tracks, I quit applying myself, partly due to the praise from this site. I quit growing and that is a shame. Fuck that. I gotta wake back up.
Thank you for the "NUT UP!" talk. My empty scrotum apparently needed it.
Evan
on Xyilent - Atlas by XyIlent
I could see you developing this into an intense song as you build on it.
Cru
on Backstabbers Harvest by Evisma
I love the change at 1:35. everything before that sounds like many of your earlier works. but from a musical point of view I love that direction you took post 1:35. Mahloo makes some great points on the percussion. Change that in the mix and everything else becomes golden because the bass is special and the guitars are very engaged.
So now I must ask, what are you harvesting from backstabbers. literal Knives? Insults? More Kardashians? just a curio I guess.
What else...... if Static is going to jail for double posts, then I might be in the cell next to him.
" Plugged ears from a head cold,"
Nothing better than a small glass.. some ice, a slice of lemon, and a pony shot of nyquil that will cure that.
anyhoo carry on Evita with your bass like songs they amuse me.....would be something an asshole would say. so I will just say hey man...nice shot.
Crutalk
Backstabber's Harvest means reaping what you sow. Reciprocity. Backstabber receiving a jab of his own. Don't know what brought the name about, but I like it.
I'll do what I can with what I have, drum wise, and update soon. Thanks for the listen.
Evan
on My Contest Intrumental - Opinions Needed by BradoSanz
Brado
on Distraction by DijamMusic
Cru
Thank you very much mate.
I am really glad you like it, such words coming from a master of the industry is an honour.
Thanks for the feedback mate.
Jamid
on carbon textures featuring Joe Cramer by promenade2239
pure mad genius material.
Steve
Thanks for nice words. I can always grab house loops and make more and more proper house track, no problem with that.
It is 128 BPM but who cares. Everything is mixed inside Joe's vocal and I created that disco-type bassline on Microbrute myself.
I can not remember 1998.
Glad you liked and faved. LOL
Alex
on Hands Off - Original Mix by kennydjctxmckenzie
Cru
on Klandestyne-Next Step cliP by Klandestyne
Cru
4 the feedback glad ya like the pads steeped in detroit
mucho appreciation
ta 4 the welcome back
on Dummy - UnderBand version -New- by S1lver
Cru
on Essence of House by mudhoen
Cru
on The Killing by Jeffiedillard
Cru
on Modnex - Sunshine wip by Modnex
Instead you chooped it into a raw sinister industrial sound which I liked as well.
good on you.
Cru
Thanks for always stopping by, much appreciated.
on Better Days Shellac feat Courtney Odom by ZankFrappa
20's Cru
on Fall For Me by austinmusic
congrats on your work.
cru
on Nebenwirkungen with Toax by promenade2239
Nice discovery
Thanks again for nice comments!
on Nebenwirkungen with Toax by promenade2239
congrats you nailed this one Alex.
Fav'd and downloaded (thanks)
Steve
We did intense online collab before ('Toax' as other virtual persona as he had few different musical projects) but this is definitely the best one. I asked him for original midi files of 'Neberwirkungen' and layered them using virtual epiano, guitar and a little bit of 'ghost' drumming in the background. I transformed some sequences applying a 'groove delay' plugin to get the interesting rhytmic movement too. All the rest is simply a Roland JunoDi synth. I created 0:00 - 4:00 section first - he added vocal and funky bassline. Then I developed this final version. He stretched the vocal which I processed even more afterwards - the idea was to get a kind of 'afterlife' vibe (because he is obviously speaking to us 'from there'). I really liked that idea.
Funky bassline created by Toax on virtual bass guitar.
I made everything directly on Roland. Drums around 5:00, for example, are from Roland's 'Jazz Brush' drumset and it is actually a random linear pattern I recorded. It is layered with the other pattern with snare accenting 'four'. Epiano and clavinet are also Roland sounds - those are just few riffs I managed to record in a short time and mix along the given funky bassline. I didn't use arpeggiator for that sequence at the end - it is a 'Tri Sine Lead' Roland patch played in a real time with huge reverb and a delay by using the pitch bend wheel.
So this is basically a result of working with given sounds and sequences. Very much experimental and it is a colorful soundscape basically but has more dynamic sections too. Surely the most complex composition I ever made considering the amount of elements used.
I am glad you liked few jazzy flavours I introduced. Thank you for all good words and your support!
Alex