The Predatory Ruminations Of The Leaping Razor - N0mad23

19th Mar 2010 04:31 - 16 years ago
Description : Final Version - put back as Drum and Bass, as the original intent was to subvert the genre. After 3 reviews taking me to task for calling it dark psytrance, I'm going with the consensus.

[WARNING: Do not expect to chill out or get happy behind this track. See above for why!]

This started out as an attempt to try Dubstep, but a persistent cat took me down an alternate path and I ended up with kind of forecast of a subgenre of DnB yet to be codified instead. When the Muse pulls, it's best to follow.

My daughter's 10 year old cat has a name that's longer than you
can shake a stick at, and one of them is Leaping Razor. This is
the auditory musings of her doing her duties as a responsible feline living with a pack of higher order primates. The ruminations end with the clicking of a can of food.

Loops are from my geng gong series, and Mercury Philosophique, and unposted drum loops made with old Sound Font software. Additional drum loops and bass loops by bosonHavoc. The heavily effected throat chants are by djgriffin and are Creative Commons licensed.

Recorded as a "live" piece with Ableton Live 7 LE. Draft 4=final.

The final version was recomposed to play to the cat's meow now heard throughout.

Comments (29)

If you have time take a listen and give n0mad23 some feedback.

Ioka
Ioka 15th Sep 2010 19:36 - 16 years ago
awesome creative intro love the massive use of soundeffects very solid!
miss maybe a drop of the drumset because of the etrem complexity its hard to hear any kick or organized drums
really massive tune respect keep it up!
n0mad23
n0mad23 replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
Black Mamba man - (I actually met 2 of the real ones when I was a kid in Cameroon, W. Africa). I've wondered about the kick here as well, but really wanted to emphasize a kind of Chaos behind it all. If I do go back to this one, I'll certainly give your advice a try. Thanks for the review and suggestion!
StephenPotter
StephenPotter 12th Jun 2010 07:11 - 16 years ago
Another good song!
The beginning had a great sort of ethnic feel to it, the wierd detuned things sounded a bit like an out of tune sitar, and the bassline was wierd and somewhat creepy. This needs to be found by a movie producer or something

I think this does need to go into another genre, maybe wierd? Simply because I can't think of another genre for you to put this under.

Anyways, I agree with the very bottom review. Did the prey get eaten or not? We wont know. Ever.

Ste :)
n0mad23
n0mad23 replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
I hear what you're saying, but don't really think it's terribly weird, but rather has created its own subgenre. The question is a subgenre of what? Actually, when I get a moment I'll put it up under Dub as it's probably closer to this than any other available here currently. Not the Reggae variant, but more along the line of On U Sound or even the Orb. Cheers.
BigPete
BigPete 19th May 2010 21:57 - 16 years ago
I'm debating if you are a genius or a madman, same thing, so this is pure mad genius, almost like a Zappa crazy jam, so much happening but so well organized and yet like kaos, mad genius, lol. Peace.
n0mad23
n0mad23 replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
Mon ami - at least I'm one who knows I'm crazy, and remain fairly functional. Like yourself, I'm still finding out what the possibilities are of this amazing medium that we're creating with. This one isn't a happy piece, but I think it does capture a certain predatory feeling. Thanks for the listen and words of encouragement.
williamisdabest
williamisdabest 5th May 2010 14:48 - 16 years ago
I love the eletric feel this track gives off.Master production work and xcellent ambient add on's as well.Overall a masterful piece.Keep up the awsome work with these lifelike creations and God bless.

William "tweety"
n0mad23
n0mad23 replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
Hi William! Thanks for the encouraging review and also alerting me to your presence. I haven't noticed you around before, and will swing by to see if you've got tracks up as soon as I'm able. This track is pretty intense, but I'm pleased with how it came out. Glad you approve of my ambient texture additions! Cheers.
ElecTonicPro
ElecTonicPro 15th Apr 2010 01:21 - 16 years ago
This wouldn't be a Trance track...Been a trance fan since I was like ten. Have many records-vinyl!!! This would be more experimental / just weird. Sorry for the harsh review, but I don't like.
n0mad23
n0mad23 replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
I think your statement that this isn't Trance says more about your own limitations than anything. At last count, I've found 23 sub-genres of Trance Music and this meets all the criteria of Dark Psytrance. I think most "Trance" fans think there's only Euro, Electronic, or Future Pop. I say more possibilities please, because I don't like music that all sounds the same. Not every track is for everybody, and this one's not for you.
CrissNickssonn
CrissNickssonn 12th Apr 2010 13:32 - 16 years ago
hry i listened your track and , it sounds like a horror movie soundtrack, i really think you should try work harder and bult a melodic line ,and 30 reviews??? i am amazed, i think that i am the only one who dont like it , sorry if i was to critic but that is my opinion,
so good luck
cheers
n0mad23
n0mad23 replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
Hey Criss_Nicksson - man, if I could award points for honesty here, I'd give you 5 or 10 for sure. When I encounter tracks I can't stand, I just push the stop button.

Personally, I'm glad that every song is not for everybody - it keeps things a bit more interesting. Cheers and thumbs up for your honesty.
Optym
Optym 12th Apr 2010 05:41 - 16 years ago
-----> is somewhere over there now! Blown away by your final mixdown. So many interesting and detailed textures. This sounds amazing with the headphones, head is spinning but nodding to the beat with eyes closed. This is like the "Cheshire Cat" scene in slow-mo, all wavey & ripples like warm air over hot pavement. Wow man...dl-_-lb
n0mad23
n0mad23 replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
I'd say about 90% of this version was done with headphones on. More and more I like tweaking at this level, and I suspect it's due to the "ambient logbook" thread. It's also wicked with a good set of sub-woofers (I do edit to this kind of listening, too). I'm glad you dig it optym! Thanks for coming back to hear the final!
ShojoBeast
ShojoBeast 11th Apr 2010 18:50 - 16 years ago
Tika Spot Sharp Tooth Leapin Razor Happy Cat Mouse Hunter Peacock Feather.............
Love love love love love it! Keep it up green machine!

Sincerely,
ShojoBeast
n0mad23
n0mad23 replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
Thank you ShojoBeast - that cat has a great name, doesn't she? Maybe I should consider doing a song now called "Peacock Feather?" Thanks for reviewing this one!
Mosaic
Mosaic 11th Apr 2010 05:19 - 16 years ago
Hey n0mad

mate what a stunning piece, wow, trance piece with your touch and own style, some thing real eerie about this track, like medieval, but so addictive, had to listen too it a couple of times and each time something else shone through, man you are a genius, absolutely stunning...instant fav piece...thank you for once again showing your talents my friend...Peace...Estefano...
n0mad23
n0mad23 replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
Estefano - it's an intense piece and certainly not one to chill out to - lol. It's so interesting seeing what people like and what they don't and I'm finding myself really unable to predict a track's reception. I'm delighted this one works for you! Isn't it cool how many of us naturally gravitate together? I like your music, and you like mine. It's a great arrangement. Cheers and thanks for the fave!
Spivkurl
Spivkurl 10th Apr 2010 15:31 - 16 years ago
I really like the cat sounds you've added with this draft, funny and cool! I bet this would drive a cat nuts! You have a style all your own! Congrats on the moderator status BTW!
n0mad23
n0mad23 replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
Yeah, when I first stumbled across that sound while playing with effects stacks, I had a Cure moment and had to pursue it. It's not the same "meow" as in "Love Cats" but I think I've got a good interpretation - especially for those who aren't cat people. Actually, my kids' cats don't blink twice over the sounds here, but they do get a bit excited with the crow samples in the "Butterfly" track! Thanks for reviewing this final version!
ParkerMusic
ParkerMusic 10th Apr 2010 05:13 - 16 years ago
This is a purrrrrfect interpretation of cat behavior! I too have a cat that has his own agenda. I love the way the track flows. The drums and the bass are excellent. You are so creative.
n0mad23
n0mad23 replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
It's surrrrrprising how many people with cats hear it - lol! One thing I really dig about cats are how present they are - they own the space they occupy. Their movement is sublime, too. It's a good thing they're so small, or we'd be living with high stress levels. Thanks for the review and the fave! Quite the compliment, that.
Sector7even
Sector7even 9th Apr 2010 19:03 - 16 years ago
cooool, love the sounds..kinda like an electrionic digereedoo.
you are def very versitile my friend.
great work!!!
s7
n0mad23
n0mad23 replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
Yeah, between bosonHavoc's upright bass loops and those throat chants, I knew I had to do something. My daughter's cat help point the way. It's an intense piece, and one that I've learned a lot about mixing in the process as well. Thanks!
jahknow
jahknow 8th Apr 2010 13:35 - 16 years ago
Unreal. will be back to post a real response after another 10 listens.
n0mad23
n0mad23 replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
One of those tracks, to be sure. If it was a painting, it'd be classified as "Maximillism." I do think it's got an interesting vibe, and intensity reminiscent of Industrial music. [edit] As per your suggestion, I've moved this to Trance now. Thanks jah.
ProphetProductions
ProphetProductions 5th Apr 2010 23:27 - 16 years ago
[NOTE: all reviews below are from the 2nd and 1st drafts]

this is too trip man!
not my usuall type but it jus sounds pure evil (in a good way

gives off a real tense atmosphere n im feelin that
pc
n0mad23
n0mad23 replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
Yeah man, I think the title pretty much says what you're going to hear with this one. I don't listen to music like this either - lol. But I do like making stuff like this! Thanks for the listen and review.
ChaseManhattan
ChaseManhattan 4th Apr 2010 22:20 - 16 years ago
cats do have evil intentions don't they? mine just meows until it gets fed, and when you feed it it craps on your bed. real respect those animals have for me... haha well anyways i like the noises bro. the eerie synths work for this one, i dont know how you manage to get such trippy synths to work with the drum and the high pitch of the drum settles in nicely. nice one!!
n0mad23
n0mad23 replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
You know, in my lengthening life I've met maybe 2 cats that were truly evil, but the rest are rather amoral. Cat's are those strange creatures that are so inherently predatory that we have a tough time really relating to them. Even the most tender and gentle of them all get a pretty scary glazed look in their eyes when they've got a freshly killed bird hanging from their grinning mouths. I'm sure glad they're as small as they are, otherwise we'd be in real trouble! This was a fun track to make (it still has one more revision to go) as it allowed me to try to occupy the perspective of The Cat. It's not at all what I'd planned, but I've learned sooooo much in creating it. Thanks for the review and thumbs up here!
Optym
Optym 30th Mar 2010 02:40 - 16 years ago
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alividlife
alividlife 29th Mar 2010 02:53 - 16 years ago
Yeah!

Actually In some ways... You are like a plant...
that's the best way to explain you as a creative entity..

Silent and living... Just growing and growing thru the headphase.
Just this epic flow of eponymous creativity.

See, from my personal background I hear the drums kicking in and then it taking a more pop form.. but I appreaciate this a whole hell of a lot compared to the original.

I think pop sensibilities... I mean... It's like.. on some ways.. I have been Anti-pop for about a year and a half... and I think it's a great way to illicit natural human emotion.
but
you have crossed this line and I would hug you if I could.

It's like the web of life is integrated and the emotion and feel are one and the same... fx drops pull and toss naturally and the voice/timbre mixes effortlessly..

You need a hook.
in general.
You need hooks.
you have music and arrangement down more so than any musical artist I have ever heard Sean.

But that american sugar pop is lacking..
and I don't know if I should commend you or hug you.
but just know it's not about what people (like me especially) think about your music

It's really about what you want.
If I was with you I would drop hooks. Guitar wise.. Vocally... Spoken Poetry.

This is sooo freaking ethereal... and I will try and write something.. but I would prefer to meet your face.
abe
n0mad23
n0mad23 replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
lol - and to think I often feel like I'm compromising too much already! I've been on a quest for accessibility since beginning performance long time ago. Got into melody making because there were enough drums, and most people don't hear it in percussion. I know exactly what you mean (I think, but you tend to write in poetry, so interpretations can be subjective), and to really achieve accessibility it's what I'm going to have to do.

I suspect I'm still in physical rebellion, as you can hear the sonic results. The mind is willing, but the fingers on the buttons seem to have a will of their own - lol.

We need to talk. Really sit down and have an aural/oral discussion about music. I remain far too intuitive, and your ground and perspective could help me a lot. Someone said a while back that I'd never be mainstream, but there's nothing to prevent me grabbing on to their curtails. Perhaps the American Sugar Pop will make me sticky enough to attach?
CalifKen
CalifKen 28th Mar 2010 07:36 - 16 years ago
somehow your song titles actually evoke a sense of fear in me. i'm not sure - oh now i remember. it's your freaky to the core psychadelic tracks!!!! AND i remember last time i mentioned being totally throughly truly through and through FREAKIN FREAKED OUT WHILE LISTENING TO YOUR TRACK i think you took it as in bad freaked out, but i mean this: OMG YOUR MUSIC IS AMAZING. I'VE NEVER HEARD MUSIC THAT MAKES ME FEEL LIKE THIS, AND IT IS POSSIBLY THE MOST moving me right off my feet force I've ever heard. I want to play this sort of milestone music for people.

In fact, I just did. Here's how it went.

So I asked "so does this music just freak you out? It just like puts its fingers into my soul and just ..... {wiggles fingers} Don't worry it's not harsh or anything." {I hand the headphones over} {minutes go by} "So is it freaky?" ... "I LOVE. It's real, real good. I love it." "Wow. Huh. Should I get you a copy?" "Yeh. Um. Maybe you should try and put some fingers in your soul."

Collab!! Let's start something.

If you've got the time! Great work. Cheers bro.
n0mad23
n0mad23 replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
Well Ken, you know me - got to push those boundaries and rattle the cage. My current project is titled - Music to have a Rebellion To - so a certain amount of apprehension and even fear is a healthy sign. Serious stuff, but if we remember to breathe and dance when possible, it's going to be all right. I'll be shooting you an email regarding collabs, so keep your eyes open for that. Honestly, I'm surprised by your reaction here, but I'm going with previous conversations about the periphery and will continue to follow the Muse. I think we might be experiencing a particularly fuzzy boundary moment, so push your own stuff too! Things feel like they're aligning. Cheers!
FrenchKid18
FrenchKid18 27th Mar 2010 11:13 - 16 years ago
"When the Muse pulls it's best to follow",I couldn't agree more with that!Another great title,lol!
Your music seems to be coming from the depths of the Earth,progressively growing and reaching the surface.It's amazing how this one(and most of your work) is evocating(not sure about this word in English,lol)to me.
Another great one that's going to my favs
Cheers
StÃÂphane
n0mad23
n0mad23 replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
StÃÂphane - the word in English is "evocative" but I know exactly what you mean. It also ties into what I've consciously been exploring lately, namely how internal states can be brought forth into external ones - evocation is the key! Salook a while back did a track about shamanism and invoked me in his description, so I'm finding your review particularly provocative. There's definitely a tendency for me to reach into the Earth's energy looking for points of inspiration. I seem to continue to have one foot grounded in the realm of low-tech with the other in high-tech. Thanks for the review and the fave! Cheers friend, from Sean
Jpipes24
Jpipes24 27th Mar 2010 04:40 - 16 years ago
This is a nice track... Yeah I have the same issue sometimes when making music you start with one thing them it evolves into something completely different... But hey I guess thats just being creative... Nice job.
n0mad23
n0mad23 replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
I've been corresponding with several others on this site recently, and I think there are a lot of us that find the creative process frustrating specifically because it so often goes in very unexpected ways. I'm trying to go with it now! Glad you enjoyed this one. Cheers!
Nosleeves
Nosleeves 26th Mar 2010 21:50 - 16 years ago
Interesting DnB track and one hell of a long ass name for a cat LOL.

Honestly this has a heavy ambient feel the more I listened to it,
i have that same problem u had when u wanted to make one genre and then for some strange reason the music gods pull u in another direction.

sometimes its better to go with ur gut feeling rather than a plan

PEACE LOVE AND TECHNOFOREVER
n0mad23
n0mad23 replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
Hi DJNoSleeves - I'm actually revising this one with the recent discussion of Ambient in my consciousness! I'm now thinking that following the Muse while composing is the way to go - invoke discipline and consistency when gigging. Thanks for the listen and review!
arkeyetexture
arkeyetexture 25th Mar 2010 00:19 - 16 years ago
Wow. this is truly a awesome sound scape. those throaty chants almost sound like a didgeridoo. i love the ambiance. i do almost feel like im being stalked by some vicious feline sulking in the tall grass. hidden just out a site but ready to pounce. excellent production!
n0mad23
n0mad23 replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
The "throaty chants" and the effects stacks on them were originally an attempt to recreate a sort of dubstep wobble with the human voice. Though not successful here, I'm convinced it's something that can be done and probably should. Got to stick something really organic into the mix. Thanks for the thumbs up and review!
Sector7even
Sector7even 24th Mar 2010 23:51 - 16 years ago
wow, this track has you in your seat as if at a movie..when the crazy part happens and that piece of popcorn that is already in your mouth kinda just falls out and you dont even try to catch it as you are so invovled with whats going on...very intense in other words [lol]..a great listen. i was exited to see 'dubstep' and read on..as you said "when the muse.."gotta listen..very wise.
great track no matter what the genre i wouldnt change a thing!
10/10
sean.
n0mad23
n0mad23 replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
In terms of composition I get frustrated in how seldom I arrive at my original "vision." I should probably just get used to the fact that inspiration usually arrives in the thick of things and celebrate it somehow. It's a solid foundation, and I'm about 15 takes now into figuring out what to do with it next. More frustration, but without agitation and discomfort would an oyster ever make a pearl? Glad you approve of the draft! Thanks much for the review!
alividlife
alividlife 21st Mar 2010 05:52 - 16 years ago
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Salook
Salook 20th Mar 2010 00:35 - 16 years ago
This is awesome without a shadow, man you don't beat about the bush, two great tracks in a short time, you have been a busy man.
This track really had me jacking man, to me this is serious music and you ain't joking when it comes to what you do.

Superb beats and atmosphere, i am sucker for those throat sounds, and that bass just brings all the magic together.

I could easily go a longer version of this, for i am striving for more, leaping razor, man you are a stepping razor and this is what makes you dangerous.

Superb.
n0mad23
n0mad23 replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
I'm going to remember that - if it ever comes up "Mr. n0mad23, what is your surname please?" I'll have to reply Steppin` Razor.

A little bit scary.

Music to Have a Rebellion To. I'll make the extended remix just for you! Thanks.
Planetjazzbass
Planetjazzbass 20th Mar 2010 00:22 - 16 years ago
A cat song!..well an inspiration from one..cool! I'm a cat person as well as a Leo....Groovy man! (lol..pardon me for using a hackneyed expression but it seemed to fit)..heavy duty rhythms and the distortion works well...quite gnarley as my surfing friends would say....The bottom line here..if you say it's Drum and Bass,it is!....anybody that's going to raise any issues with the distinction probably won't be listening to it anyway! lol...I must say that while I've always felt comfortable with my vocabulary and have endeavoured to keep pace with changing nomenclature,doing the same in regards to musical specific genres requires far too much pain and suffering..I'm all in favour of generalised descriptions,even just 'good' or 'bad' will do...I think the problem started with musical historians and commentators..however I know the hat on backwards contingent had something to do with it...cheers Dave
n0mad23
n0mad23 replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
Cats can slide into an inherent groove, so it works on a couple levels including a proclivity for savage tenderness. Knock the little one down and give her a good bath.

It's Drum and Bass in a proto-roots form (something you can relate to) by virtue of its foundation(s). The drums lean toward a reggae sensibility, and there's more than a gentle nod toward Dub (lots of reverb and delay). Maybe it's a prediction of Shuffle DnB, or Dance-in-Place Dub - 90 bpm allows dance for a very, very long time. Maybe someone will be forced to create yet another sub-genre as tolerance of the unclassified seems to get right up some noses.

No backwards baseball cap used in the creation of this one. Here's to that!
Phyruis
Phyruis 19th Mar 2010 18:39 - 16 years ago
some nice ideas here brother.. love that throaty pad as a lead at the start... not sure of the genre but I'm not the genre police so.. ah well!! over all a well produced track would have like a little more speed but I liked it.. keep 'em coming brother
n0mad23
n0mad23 replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
Aha - tempo! Yeah, I think the DnB tends to be quite a bit faster, and yet this is driven really by drums and bass...so I don't know. I might be pushing the generic definition here. In my previous response I said I'm not quite sure about ht tempo either, so I'm glad you called it. Makes me think my impulse is probably correct here. Thanks for the encouragement!
Spivkurl
Spivkurl 19th Mar 2010 15:49 - 16 years ago
I can definitely hear this as being a good soundtrack to cat antics! Awesome title, you're always good at titling tracks! Sweet bass line, you can kind of tell it has dubstep origins, but it definitely has evolved. The percussion on this one is really laid back and kind of psychedelic, cool stuff! Very good work on this, it's quite an interesting track!
n0mad23
n0mad23 replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
My youngest daughter's cat was dashing and leaping about in the final mix down, so I'm guessing it's working for her, too. The bass line is bosonHavoc upright bass loops - that not surprisingly are Dubstep and the first element I started with here. Usually it's drums for me, so this was a bit odd. I'm not sure about the rhythm - and I'm tempted to speed it up further or maybe go the other way. I like the slow laid back vibe, but maybe it needs to slow down a bit more...I'll know with the next experimentations. Thanks for the review!
theHumps
theHumps 19th Mar 2010 09:23 - 16 years ago
Those throat chants are awesome! Diggin the beat and overall feel to this. Where you gonna go with it? Can't wait to find out!!

The clicking of the can is, I believe, the universal food call for cats. Dogs are always in eat mode so it doesn't work for them.

Wayne
n0mad23
n0mad23 replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
The throat chants and effects added were initially to create a wobble without a bass, hence the Dubstep. It's got proto-elements, but most certainly a recognizable vibe. I met someone yesterday whose cat doesn't know the universal food call - can you believe it? A 12 year old cat that doesn't know the click. Thanks for the review!

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