Great title, can't believe I haven't heard that before. I can't say I know a whole hell of a lot about dnb. The drums seem a bit more subdued than my expectations but what the hell do I know. Maybe with the cello you are pioneering your way to fame with a new take on the genre?
Good to see you playing and recording the cello. You having a tough time, picking it up slowly or mastering it like a madman? Seems like it is an instrument that takes a certain touch and feel with both hands because bowing the instrument would seem to be a factor that is tough to learn. Left hand fingering is one thing,(insert dirty joke here)something we do on guitars and such so that might seem more familiar but bowing and plucking must have a learning curve.
I liked the cello at around the 7:45 mark, the short staccato notes added something more to the track. Intro sounded like it may go towards a middle eastern direction. I thought the ending was fine, fade out would have been better though, lol. ;)
Yes, it is an interesting title and I'm surprised I also haven't heard it before. It only took me 37 years to come up with it.
No, I can't imagine you do know much about drum 'n' bass. Or drum 'n' cell. Not your area of musical interest.
"pioneering your way to fame"
Haha - what fame? That's never gonna happen.
"You having a tough time, picking it up slowly or mastering it like a madman?"
You tell me! I'd say I'm doing OK but it is a hard instrument. I have no idea if I'll ever really be any good. Still, I'm good enough to regularly make quite a bit of music using it as the main instrument. I've uploaded about 15 cello-dominated tracks in the 13 months since I started playing.
"bowing and plucking must have a learning curve."
Pizzicato (plucking) was pretty straightforward right from the start but bowing is damn tricky. There's a lot you can do with it, which also means there's a lot that can go wrong.
"I liked the cello at around the 7:45 mark"
I have a few layers of funky cello craziness going on there. Good fun.
"Intro sounded like it may go towards a middle eastern direction"
Really? I never thought of that. Maybe it's the darker, stranger second chord.
It's one of those pieces of music that you feel much calmer after you listen to it than before. The airy sounding pad/synth is nice, it carries the melody but sits back in the mix. Some nice changes in instruments and dynamics make for a laid back enjoyable listen. Good summer music. Cm and Eb, nice chords, not ones I use a lot but should.
Hi Wayne,
Many thanks for a nice review. I think that using a minor key, to give a slightly negative emotion, and then spinning off to the relative major seems to give a pleasing mood shift every time you move form the minor to the major, or vice verce.
The arrangement and production reminds me of the Black Keys who are pretty awesome. Great idea and execution. I liked the rise or lift at about 1:00, the horns add a lot, the drums pick up, my right foot starts tapping and a big smile comes over my morning, coffee induced attitude! lol Keys are bad ass too!
I really like the effects on the guitars. It does have a feel of 70's rock music like Pink Floyd and other bands as well. I would like to hear Paul Rogers voice over this, the change at about 50 secs reminds me a bit of Rock Steady by Bad Company, I mean that as a compliment. I hear a bit of Foreigner in there, these are bands I loved back in the day so this one I can certainly relate to and appreciate.
Mix sounds cool, rhythm down the middle, gits panned wide. I listen to so many bands as to how they mix their gits, it's so varied but I like the guitars separated wide. I'm finding it's the width of the tracks that also comes in play, especially the bass git.
Thanks. I appreciate all the kind words. I have been working tirelessly to get my mixing skills improved. It has been worth it. Thanks for the listen and the great comment.
Oh yeah, this works for me!! Can't believe there are no comments so far, this is really cool. This must be at least 200 bpm, this cranks. Couldn't imagine being a drummer playing this all night, what a workout, lol. The cymbal breaks are neat, the guitar hook is simple and catchy during those parts. The git leads throughout are great and sound appropriate for the genre.
I'm sure any mix can be adjusted in a million ways but punk, to me, is all about the "in your face" approach. Whether on stage or in the studio, punk music should be about attitude as well as it being a catchy tune. This has a bad attitude and I love it!
Interesting drums that lead into the part about 30 seconds. Just a bit different to make me go back and listen to it a few times. The drums fading out during many parts of the song was certainly a nice touch. A couple of those growl-ly sounds caught me by surprise. Percussion and the varied electronic sounds, in the forefront and those set back in the mix, made it fun to listen to and listen closely for something else to pop out from nowhere.
For a first draft it felt like you put quite a bit into making it. No loss of pumpitude happening here, nonstop energy. I must admit I'm a little pooped after listening to this! lol
Real nice job mixing the guitars with the electronic sounds. It works well in this track giving the track a very modern almost NIN feel to it. Lost of energy here plus there are some parts that bring the dynamics and make the arrangement more interesting.
Will we hear you sing, maybe throw some vocals on it?
Alright, this rocks! Reminds me a bit of a few different punk bands, all the energy is there. The guitars are thick, nice job actually doubling the rhythm gits, makes a difference. Two minutes, perfect! Really reminds me a lot of West End Riot by the Living End, who are great so nice job!
Pretty amazing song Dan! Ed's guitar seasons an already tasty dish. The modulation at about 3 min was unexpected, cool change. Very well mixed and set a great start to my day.
I know this is your production but when I hear something like this it's no wonder you and Ed work together so well. Two Peas in a pod, great production and great compositions always. Danke seems to feel something along that line too. The piano work is fantastic, nice layering of the piano and effects are nice too. I like the title. Can't say I hear anything I would change, it's pretty darn awesome! Takes me on a wondrous journey, it's been a tough day so I needed to hear something like this!
As first, sorry for a bit late reply Wayne. Yours and Danke's ears were both right...this is in fact a collab with Ed, but the piece was put here more for the test than anything else and it will be followed by another version of
basically same song....kindly invited to listen and compare when it's uploaded in next few days.
Yet. I'm really glad for such a positive feedback and I have to say many thanks for that and for the fav! Always a pleasure Wayne !:)
Certainly worth a listen. I would say this falls more into experimental but I'm not sure we have that genre here at looperman. If you smashed Frank Zappa into Fat Boy Slim, this is what you would get, something musically different and out of the norm. ;) Like I said, worth a listen!
This is pretty cool, acid jazz feel to it. I played it a couple times and decided to dl it, thanks! Can't say enough about the sax, outstanding! Uplifting and smooth!
What can I say that hasn't already been said. Great mix, big sound filling the entire stereo field. Guitars are ripping and thick, good overall tone too. Some singing/vocals on this track and you have a hit on your hands! Seems you've wrapped your head around those Superior drums, they sound great.
Thanks, the drums have been a big distraction lately, but in a good way. Less music coming out, but I'm entertaining myself fiddling with new sounds. I'm working at making everything realistic. Gettin' there, gettin' there.
Has that '70's feel to me, i like it. Simple, effective production, not overproduced and that allows all the goodness to shine through. Percussion adds a lot but that too is just the right amount. There's some nice playing in there as well, nice job!
Yeah, this works for a great cinematic piece. The part that starts about 3 minutes in reminded me of Star Wars/John Williams sounding music. Dramatic composition, hi's and lows, great dynamics throughout!
I liked the subtle intro, mysterious and positive feeling. Then there is a cool transition to a more ominous/darker feeling. The song builds really well and ends as it should with a more peaceful respite. Well done!
thank you. the star wars comment is huge. john williams music is so iconic, star wars, jaws, harry potter. also when I did the voice over "you cant stop this" and played it back it did sound like kyle lorin. (spelling?)
Nice job expressing and opening yourself up in a track. The dramatic music and background vox are effective in setting a dark and ominous mood. There's always a light at the end of the tunnel and making compositions like this can be a great stress reliever and some form of mental healing. It's heartfelt, honest and so you. To me, that's what music is all about.
Overall I found life isn't easy and we all go through tough times and how we deal with it dictates our happiness. It's a good time to learn about oneself and to grow as a person. It doesn't seem to feel that way when it is happening but after you make it through your tough time, you can look back and be proud of yourself and pat yourself on the back for doing it. Just lost a band mate from my first band from depression because life got him down and he drank himself to death. What a waste, so talented and he gave up.
Very Kind words sir. Music is about the only reliever I've got. Sorry to hear about your bandmate man, It seems lot of bands unfortunately go through something like that. I see it much too often. But im still holding on and giving all I got cuz music is about all I really do have. Stay tuned Brother
Pretty creative track, simple, interesting and fun as it put a smile on my face! Try to get the local school chorus to do some real live vocals, bet it would sound more awesome! I could definitely hear this in a christmas or children's movie.
Thanks Wayne! That's actually a great idea! Having a real choir on this track or any cinematic track in general would probably boost the track's emotional factor extremely. I'll definitely see if how I could go about doing that.
This has a very raw, live and organic sound and feel. I love acoustic guitar songs, good decision to team up with your friend. I was really enjoying it but when the drums kicked it gave the song such an uplifting feeling to a rather sullen song. Strangely your vocals reminded me of Jim Morrison of the Doors and the song in some ways reminds me of some of their songs so well done on mixing the vox and the how they transition into the more upbeat part.
Thanks man. Not sure I see the Jim Morrison vocal comparison. But I can see how the first half has that raw improvisational sound. Thank again for listening and for your kind words.
I'm not an accomplished singer I can tell you that I do put scratch vocal tracks down to rough out melody lines, similar to what you did here. The track you put down has some cool parts and ideas. Although it's a little low in the mix, you seem to be hitting the right notes and I think if you write some simple words and sing them within a range you are comfortable with I do believe you could sing this track.
Singing comes down to confidence, attitude and effort. My brother came in to sing his christmas song and he had never sang into a mic before. After the first take I told him to relax and to sing it like he meant every word with passion and to put on a performance in front of the mic. Basically I told him to grow a set and just go for it, he could sing the notes but I wanted to hear him belt it out with feeling. We did 3 more takes, each time was better and I could see him getting into it more and more.
From what I hear and I know it's just a scratch track, I think if you wrote some basic lyrics that you could pull the vocal part off.
Btw, cool track, wide open for those vocals. I do like the piano and the interesting bits set back in the mix, effects and sounds.
Wayne: Very good advice. Nobody has ever given me advice on vocals before, but then I've never done vocals before! :) I think your suggestion is very sound. I need to get some lyrics worked out as the next step. And, I've discovered that when I try to hold a note I warble off pitch horribly. So, the solution to that is to cut things off before I start wandering up and down and all around the actual note. In the shower I sound great! Of course, everybody does. But I also think you are correct in suggesting that I need to find a range that I'm comfortable with. But, most of all, I need to find a real singer.
First the mix sounds pretty good and so do the sounds of the plugins you chose. And to be honest, it doesn't sound like it was produced in FL. Lot's of cool changes, breaks and interesting sounds. Sounds like you used plenty!
I have Logic Pro 9 and although it's not my main daw it's plugin sounds and effects are top notch and I'm not hesitant to go to it if Ableton doesn't have what I'm looking for. I think you did a great job for a first track with a new daw!
Hey Wayne! Thanks :) I spent a lot of time learning all of the differences between FL and Logic, I'm glad my first track back could be pleasing to so many people :)
Catchy track, by the end I was all in! Cool effects on the vocals. Classic sounding keys. Plenty of space in the track, nothing is cluttered and everything shines through. Well done Bleep!
thanks for your comment, i'm glad to read your positive feeling!
I'm french and sometimes i don't catch the meaning of ideas. Here, i don't understand "plenty of space"... like silences?
Very cool track, totally dig the horn, sounds like a real horn. Reminded me a bit of the Specials. My only criticism would be the snare, to me there is not enough snap and clarity to it. Like mindheist said, it a fun upbeat track that makes you want to move your feet.
thank you TheHumps for your positive comment! i already started to modify some details in my track! of course you're right about the snare, i'm going to see how to perform it.
i appreciate this kind of criticism which permite me to upgrade my work :)
and Very good reference by quoting "the specials"
First off, it's very generous to post the stems for mixing practice. Thanks! Cool track, rock is such an awesomely diverse genre that a cool slower paced song can still have balls.
The song doesn't sound over processed or too loud, I'm impressed for sure. Interesting how you processed the vocals. I use only stock compressors in Ableton and I notice how my songs compare to more professional mixes by not having more quality compressors. Or it could be mixing with my old ears, lol.
I'll check out the tut for sure. Appreciate you posting them as they help put new ideas in my head.
The choice of compressors is irrelevant..as I've said many times the emulations just provide a certain vibe and allow me to get results faster as I already know what they deliver so it's easy to just reach for a certain vibe. You can pretty much get the same results with stock plugins, it's all a matter of getting to properly use attack, release and threshold controls on any given compressor.
For example to replicate this particular scenario you could ride the level of the vocals going into your stock compressor which would have a 3:1 or 2:1 ratio a slow attack and pretty fast release, while the second compressor would have a 4:1 ratio with a medium attack and a fast release and the third would be something like 2:1 for ratio and slow attack and medium release. Again you would have to listen in context and see how the compressors react from word to word and how they muffle or brighten the sound, it's all in the ears honestly.
I've always said it...it's not the gear that mixes the song...it's the engineer.
I know now why you changed your avatar, you have dreadlocks and they haven't quite grown out yet!! Well done Dave, has the feel of some authentic roots reggae. Mix is tight, as usual and I did like the creative intro. Mixed down to an album? ;)
The corporate machine can't stop musicians from writing about their unscrupulous practices and not giving the worker a fair shake. I always liked the Clash for writing songs like Clampdown as it is about the corporations and their control over workers. It seems like it keeps getting worse and now in my country we have the same type of businessman as president elect. Say goodbye to more of my rights and benefits as a citizen. #####!! Now I'm wound up,lol.
Hey Wayne thanks buddy!...I've always liked reggae, calypso and the folk styles they originated from, not so keen on dubstep and all the contemporary derivatives though! haha..some hippy type chick plaited my hair once in the early seventies but she didn't last long and neither did the hair style! lol...don't know what to make of your new President, thought to be fair he hasn't actually done anything yet, whatever it is it's bound to effects us all one way or another...cheers mate much appreciated.
Dave :)
Dig the title! Piano and acoustic guitar always works so I must say the intro really was a cool way to start the track. The song transitions nicely into the harder more loud part of the song. I do like the timing changes as the song progresses.
I read your response to Steve about the vocal/percussive part you did and it's pretty effective and interesting. Curious as to how you tune normally if not in standard tuning?
I appreciate the kind words. As for tuning, I'm usually Drop C sharp. Everything down a half step, then my low E string down another whole step, so the E goes down 3 frets, everything else, 1. I have to use heavier Guage strings and aggressive truss bar adjustment.
on Opposites Subtract by StaticNomad
Good to see you playing and recording the cello. You having a tough time, picking it up slowly or mastering it like a madman? Seems like it is an instrument that takes a certain touch and feel with both hands because bowing the instrument would seem to be a factor that is tough to learn. Left hand fingering is one thing,(insert dirty joke here)something we do on guitars and such so that might seem more familiar but bowing and plucking must have a learning curve.
I liked the cello at around the 7:45 mark, the short staccato notes added something more to the track. Intro sounded like it may go towards a middle eastern direction. I thought the ending was fine, fade out would have been better though, lol. ;)
Wayne
Yes, it is an interesting title and I'm surprised I also haven't heard it before. It only took me 37 years to come up with it.
No, I can't imagine you do know much about drum 'n' bass. Or drum 'n' cell. Not your area of musical interest.
"pioneering your way to fame"
Haha - what fame? That's never gonna happen.
"You having a tough time, picking it up slowly or mastering it like a madman?"
You tell me! I'd say I'm doing OK but it is a hard instrument. I have no idea if I'll ever really be any good. Still, I'm good enough to regularly make quite a bit of music using it as the main instrument. I've uploaded about 15 cello-dominated tracks in the 13 months since I started playing.
"bowing and plucking must have a learning curve."
Pizzicato (plucking) was pretty straightforward right from the start but bowing is damn tricky. There's a lot you can do with it, which also means there's a lot that can go wrong.
"I liked the cello at around the 7:45 mark"
I have a few layers of funky cello craziness going on there. Good fun.
"Intro sounded like it may go towards a middle eastern direction"
Really? I never thought of that. Maybe it's the darker, stranger second chord.
Thanks for the feedback.
on Prapancha by bbedford48
Enjoyable track Bob!
Wayne
Many thanks for a nice review. I think that using a minor key, to give a slightly negative emotion, and then spinning off to the relative major seems to give a pleasing mood shift every time you move form the minor to the major, or vice verce.
All the best
Bob
on Love for You by Nightingale
Wayne
on Through the Clearing by topvega
Mix sounds cool, rhythm down the middle, gits panned wide. I listen to so many bands as to how they mix their gits, it's so varied but I like the guitars separated wide. I'm finding it's the width of the tracks that also comes in play, especially the bass git.
Well done!
Wayne
tv
on SHORT PUNK SONG by Deathbot
I'm sure any mix can be adjusted in a million ways but punk, to me, is all about the "in your face" approach. Whether on stage or in the studio, punk music should be about attitude as well as it being a catchy tune. This has a bad attitude and I love it!
Dig it man, great stuff!
Wayne
on My Bad Self by Tinka0
For a first draft it felt like you put quite a bit into making it. No loss of pumpitude happening here, nonstop energy. I must admit I'm a little pooped after listening to this! lol
Wayne
I know right! Hopefully I'll be able to refine it further.
Sorry for the late reply :)
on lets go by ElenaSatine
Will we hear you sing, maybe throw some vocals on it?
Wayne
mmmm...no I'm not a good singer .
I feel shy about it hehehe ..
:)
thank you much much for the support .
really means alot .
Elena
on PUNK song no vocals by Deathbot
Wayne
on It Is So Far Away - feat Ed Cunningham by VickyDan
Take care, Wayne
on The Other Way Around by Orlando51
Always a pleasure!
Wayne
basically same song....kindly invited to listen and compare when it's uploaded in next few days.
Yet. I'm really glad for such a positive feedback and I have to say many thanks for that and for the fav! Always a pleasure Wayne !:)
With much appreciation____Orlando
on he is funny by ElenaSatine
Wayne
:)
thank you much much for checking my tune out and dropping these words in my box .
I really appreciate .
on Sazzy Jax by mudhoen
Wayne
on The Waves Between Ship And Shore by Evisma
Well done man, your best mix so far!
Wayne
Thanks, the drums have been a big distraction lately, but in a good way. Less music coming out, but I'm entertaining myself fiddling with new sounds. I'm working at making everything realistic. Gettin' there, gettin' there.
Thanks for the visit, now you be good....
Evan
on Subtle by sqrtofneg1
Wayne
on New Earth - turn down the silence by mindhiest
I liked the subtle intro, mysterious and positive feeling. Then there is a cool transition to a more ominous/darker feeling. The song builds really well and ends as it should with a more peaceful respite. Well done!
Wayne
on Outside by MOONLYTE
Overall I found life isn't easy and we all go through tough times and how we deal with it dictates our happiness. It's a good time to learn about oneself and to grow as a person. It doesn't seem to feel that way when it is happening but after you make it through your tough time, you can look back and be proud of yourself and pat yourself on the back for doing it. Just lost a band mate from my first band from depression because life got him down and he drank himself to death. What a waste, so talented and he gave up.
Take care!
Wayne
on Modnex - FairyTime - Dark Limbo by Modnex
Wayne
Thanks for stopping in!
on Seasons by toastedavalanche
Well done!
Wayne
TA
on UK RnB Track v8 by EricMilligan
Singing comes down to confidence, attitude and effort. My brother came in to sing his christmas song and he had never sang into a mic before. After the first take I told him to relax and to sing it like he meant every word with passion and to put on a performance in front of the mic. Basically I told him to grow a set and just go for it, he could sing the notes but I wanted to hear him belt it out with feeling. We did 3 more takes, each time was better and I could see him getting into it more and more.
From what I hear and I know it's just a scratch track, I think if you wrote some basic lyrics that you could pull the vocal part off.
Btw, cool track, wide open for those vocals. I do like the piano and the interesting bits set back in the mix, effects and sounds.
Wayne
on Magic Fingaz by skwishfish
I have Logic Pro 9 and although it's not my main daw it's plugin sounds and effects are top notch and I'm not hesitant to go to it if Ableton doesn't have what I'm looking for. I think you did a great job for a first track with a new daw!
Wayne
on Les Fleurs Du Mal by DubSmockers
Wayne
thanks for your comment, i'm glad to read your positive feeling!
I'm french and sometimes i don't catch the meaning of ideas. Here, i don't understand "plenty of space"... like silences?
Anyway, thank you again :)
friendly
Bleep
on Musi SkA UFO by DubSmockers
Cheers!
Wayne
i appreciate this kind of criticism which permite me to upgrade my work :)
and Very good reference by quoting "the specials"
Friendly
Bleep
on Butterfly Effect - An Ultra Violet Apology by Mahloo13
The song doesn't sound over processed or too loud, I'm impressed for sure. Interesting how you processed the vocals. I use only stock compressors in Ableton and I notice how my songs compare to more professional mixes by not having more quality compressors. Or it could be mixing with my old ears, lol.
I'll check out the tut for sure. Appreciate you posting them as they help put new ideas in my head.
Cheers
The choice of compressors is irrelevant..as I've said many times the emulations just provide a certain vibe and allow me to get results faster as I already know what they deliver so it's easy to just reach for a certain vibe. You can pretty much get the same results with stock plugins, it's all a matter of getting to properly use attack, release and threshold controls on any given compressor.
For example to replicate this particular scenario you could ride the level of the vocals going into your stock compressor which would have a 3:1 or 2:1 ratio a slow attack and pretty fast release, while the second compressor would have a 4:1 ratio with a medium attack and a fast release and the third would be something like 2:1 for ratio and slow attack and medium release. Again you would have to listen in context and see how the compressors react from word to word and how they muffle or brighten the sound, it's all in the ears honestly.
I've always said it...it's not the gear that mixes the song...it's the engineer.
Thank you for the review!
on LITTLE DREAD by Planetjazzbass
The corporate machine can't stop musicians from writing about their unscrupulous practices and not giving the worker a fair shake. I always liked the Clash for writing songs like Clampdown as it is about the corporations and their control over workers. It seems like it keeps getting worse and now in my country we have the same type of businessman as president elect. Say goodbye to more of my rights and benefits as a citizen. #####!! Now I'm wound up,lol.
Always a pleasure, take care!
Wayne
Dave :)
on Eyes Run Aground by Evisma
I read your response to Steve about the vocal/percussive part you did and it's pretty effective and interesting. Curious as to how you tune normally if not in standard tuning?
Wayne
I appreciate the kind words. As for tuning, I'm usually Drop C sharp. Everything down a half step, then my low E string down another whole step, so the E goes down 3 frets, everything else, 1. I have to use heavier Guage strings and aggressive truss bar adjustment.
Peas.
Evan