Sorry to hear about your Dad. Music is a great thing, in so many different ways it can a friend. Glad you are back in the groove.
I couldn't tell you the first thing about Trap but I "caught" myself listening to this a few times. sorry
I would guess that the saw synth is a big deal in Trance, it's out in force. Drums are pounding, which I associate club music to this type of beat. Sounds cool enough to me, especially the softer sounding synth at the end.
Thanks..Music really helps getting al sorted out again. Trance is not my main genre but is good for bringing emotion in dance music. I am glad you liked it!
I do like the song, commercial rock sounding track and it has a lot going for it. Singer has a great voice.
I've been wondering how much to push the limiter gain on the master channel. Using Ableton, in the mastering plugin I use, it has a limiter. I notice by turning up the level on the limiter gain will push my nice mix louder but at the same time losing some of the tracks dynamics.
I know this isn't finished but how much do you push the limiter? Is it more just feeling out the track and push the gain depending on the type of music it is or is there a certain "standard" level where dynamics lose out and loudness wins?
Sorry for getting back so late at you, for some reason I didn't receive any notifications about the coments.
Yes there is a standard for commercial releases regarding loudness.It depends on the genre of music or if it's for television then it's a totally different standard.
As for how much I push my limiter during mastering...well it depends. I don't limit more than 2 dB's. So basically I get 2dB's of reduction on my final limiter.
You could add a transient designer right before the limiter and it will bring back some snap into the mix.
One of the main problems with mixes that lose life when you throw a limiter is that they are not properly balanced and the limiter triggers all the time on transients thus killing your mix. Don't be afraid to rebalance once you put the limiter there, you do have that luxury. :)
I certainly don't miss the mayflies, it's too hot here for those pesky insects. hmmm... bugpop. Isn't that the noise they make when hitting those bug lights?
Creative as usual. Now a days we have bugs in out electronic devices. Hearing the electronic music and how you shaped it made me think of those types of bugs out for a joyride, creating some havoc for unsuspecting targets. Is this the joy they would express? ha!
Hey Wayne! Nice thought. Yea - maybe this is the bug (and his friends) that found their way into this track in FL Studio! Fortunately, after upgrading it seems bug worked itself out. thanks for checking in. Put up a new mix today - somewhat expanded. Regards - Dan.
I am listening in 5.1 on a Sony surround system. I mirror my Macbook Air through Apple TV and the web is shown on my tv which is then hooked up to the Sony surround.
I am getting some bass, most drums and singing through mostly the front center speaker. Getting some signal from my front speakers(l+r) but not all that much. Most of the sound coming from the front is centered. I use a sub woofer and that is booming the bass but I would rather hear the mid bass tones in my rear speakers than from the center channel.
The guitar and sax lead sound good in the rear speakers along with the backing vox.
Hand claps are centered in front as well, those would be nice spread wide. To me it seems a lot is front and center and the two front speakers need more in them. The vocals need a little room and maybe a bit louder, there is a lot going on in my center channel.
Thanks for your comments. I don't try to be too aggressive with the different speakers. I mix on a stereo system and when it sounds good through it, I listen to it over my SS system. Every system will be different depending on the levels of the individual speakers and room size. I know I have my rear speakers a bit louder since they are far from my fronts. I don't put anything on the sub channel, since your system pretty well takes care of that. It's fine for movies, but, IMO, it can be overkill using that channel for music, so I won't put the low end on the sub channel. I actually didn't put anything on the center channel. Your system is doing that. Sometimes if the vocal track isn't dominant enough, I will split that track between the center and the fronts.
I live in an area where the biker culture is a way of life, Daytona Beach has 2 unbelievable bike weeks each year where hundreds of thousands of people attend, it is crazy fun! I only have a motorized bicycle(my only mode of transportation) that only goes up to 30 mph but the bugs still sting a bit when they hit ya.
I can easily relate to the song and chuckle as I enjoy Scott's words. So glad he gave us another treat. His Issac Hayes voice is gift, now time to exploit it, hehe.
Dig the music. Listened to it on 5.1 and had to make a few adjustments to my system like raising the center channel but it sounded fine. Dan smokes on that sax, man oh man! Great job Franco putting this together.
Many thanks, Wayne. We always love reading your kind words and encouragement. We all love working together and it's an added plus when our musician friends find some enjoyment, too.
Cool track, reminded me of early Ministry and INXS mixed together. I like the git work along side the keys, nice job so far with that. What EZ kit are you using?
I feel your vocals could be louder or more centered, they seem very wide to me in the mix. I actually decrease the width of my vocals to about 90%. This way they are centered and more narrow in my mix. By doing this it helps to keep it from messing with my featured instruments' freqs which I pan wide. Then I use a short delay and a bit of reverb to give me the additional width in the mix while keeping the vocals centered and narrow. Hopefully that makes some sense, he.
Yeah, I can hear the INXS thing. Was never a Ministry person but I will take your word on it. I will have to look and see what Kit I am using here. I took your advice and centered the vocals more and bumped them up in the mix. I went with a more Trippy delay on them to add to the Vibe. Still not sure if it works. Drums and Vocals are my weakest spots. I have worked hard to try and be able to do okay vocals. Never really happy with them, though. Thanks for the feedback. I truly appreciate it.
Pretty cool track, dig the piano, awesome chorus. The concept is great. I have a song called the Fool where the fool was me and wrote it about something foolish I did.
One suggestion I will make is to not introduce the kick until the chorus. The impact would be greater when it "kicks" in and honestly, I think it takes away from the singing in the verses. Maybe try a hi hat or some percussion through the verses, something less impactful to make the words be the focus.
Hey thanks, appreciate it. I agree that the chorus isn't popping enough and it's a little distracting in the verses, but I've tried every arrangement and it's always a little too sparse in the verses then without the kick, the chorus ends up sticking out too much. Been trying to do a quieter, more simple drum part for the verses, just to give it something.
Nice to have you back Mos! Last time we talked you were going through a lot. Hope you are doing well and you are happy!
Jeff Tweedy of Wilco once said, referring to personal issues in his life and making music, that he makes music IN SPITE of all the issues he has faced like drug addiction and mental problems. He transcends the issues, overcomes them by making music and he feels like his issues won't hold him down from doing something he loves. In the end a feeling of accomplishment can boost one's moral and pick him up from the stressful things in life, it is amazing what music can do.
I took a lot from what he said and feel the same way. Making music while experiencing all I've been through recently has been the ticket to keeping me happy and distracted from all the stress.
Keep making music my friend and stick around, please!
Thank you for stopping by, things still up in the air but at least I am back here, thanks to a Spiv asking me to remix a track for him, got the fire started again, will try and stay around with some tracks my friend, will send email next few days to fill you in on whats happening...Thanks for the fav...Peace n Respect mate...mosaic...
I didn't know you were from down here in Dixie, you sound born and bred in the south land. Vocals are sounding pretty good and so is the mix. Electric guitar sound is perfect for this style of music.
Thanks for taking a listen, country is my favorite music genre but I don't do it often because its hard to find the right sound. I finally found some guitar tones that I like so hopefully I will be turning some more out in the future. Thanks again.
Totally digging this! Lyrics are great, vocals are a bit raw and wide but that might be exactly what you were going for. The effects were great and added to the track. Great live feel to the track and not overproduced which I like a lot.
thanks for listening and commenting, appreciate it. Yes, I roughed and distorted the vocal track a little, it was on purpose. Good spot, that. We like this song a lot, it is simple in a way but came out nice in the end :)
Creative use of your vocals. Blowing into the mic and heavily reverb is a great idea. Overall a very solid idea.
I think vocals would add a lot to this and give it an added dimension. Are you planning to add vocals? Hopefully you are. If you would like some help I wouldn't mind taking a crack at something like this. I can hear some Scott Weiland styled vocals in there. I've never tried that style but willing to. If interested give me a shout through the site.
Hey Wayne! Good to hear from you again dude! Thanks for checking it out. Normally I would say yes but I think I want this song to remain as it is. But I'm not opposed to a collaboration with you for this album I'm working on. I'll try to write something and post it here and if you dig it let me know.
I can't say I am an expert in jazz, to me the best part of jazz is the experimenting. Not sure if you are doing any of that here, combining sounds, feelings and textures with drums and vocal effects or if you are the new Frank Zappa. ;) Either way, keep on keeping on, making music to provoke thought is great.
The second piece is a nice ethereal, dreamy piece. The vocals echoing is a nice effect. Well done Alex!
Glad you are giving that cello a run for it's money. Some of the higher stuff you played around 6:30 was very cool, learning riffs and runs like that are a fun way to get started and feel like you are progressing.
Neat track and a good jam track. I think some of that dobro would fit in the end part.
I didn't care for the synth in the end so much. Things were sounding pretty organic then that popped up. Felt a more natural sound could have been used. Just a person thing.
Keep working that cello in. You just may be the next Jeff Lynne.
I sure am giving the cello a good workout. I've hardly played any other instrument for the last 2 months. I'm trying to get half decent (nowhere near that yet) so I can really properly incorporate it in my music.
Until then, I'm having to do so much editing of the parts I record as there are so many errors and shit, unintentional tones.
" Some of the higher stuff you played around 6:30 was very cool"
I agree. It's really laidback, kind of classy playing but there are also some nice little rapid bowed runs. I find playing the top two strings (as I'm doing here) really quite difficult as they seem to be quite far away from me so I have to adjust my position just to see what I'm doing.
"some of that dobro would fit in the end part."
Quite possibly but I was adamant that I wanted to try making it work only with cello as the lead instrument. I've hardly played any slide in many months.
"I didn't care for the synth in the end so much. Things were sounding pretty organic then that popped up"
No problem if you don't like it but what you say is a bit of a surprise because that same synth sound has already occurred quite prominently twice in the track. So, check it out at 0:48 and then 3:12. By bringing it back at 7:30, I'm only returning to previously established themes so hopefully it shouldn't feel too out of place. Despite being cello-heavy, I don't see this as a natural, acoustic, organic kind of track. It's still really quite processed and progressive. So, I think the trancey arp synth fits that vibe.
"You just may be the next Jeff Lynne."
Ha, I'm a massive fan of his but I don't believe he plays cello. You're thinking of one or two of his bandmates in ELO, one of my favourite groups of all time. They are a much maligned and seriously underrated group.
It is a nice track. I am not much of a HH fan but the track is solid. Work on the compression on the master track to give it some more punch, a little limiter, not much. Those will give it punch and added volume.
Great band to model a song after. The only album I have of them is their one with No One Knows on it and that is great from beginning to end.
This one comes out of the gate guns a blazin'! I love music like this, in your face rock and roll. This is great live bar room music. Mix sounds great!
Thanks Wayne. I have everything they and Josh Homme has ever released including the stuff with Kyuss and his latest with Iggy Pop. Awesome album by the way. It is like David Bowie sang on a Queens of the Stone Age album.
We don't have a "spring" to speak of here in sunny Florida but I used this to transport me back to a chilly and windy New England day. A very nice piece of music, kudos to both of you!
I do appreciate any percussion you used, works well here as do the strings, they tear at the heart. The piano is straight forward at first then at the end plays some fills that makes me shout MORE! Ed's acoustic sounds nice and it goes so well with this overall positive feel of renewal.
Combined or by yourselves, you guys are some talented folks!
Sorry to hear you were sick. That dreadful disease is becoming all to common. Couldn't be happier to hear you are cancer free and ready to go make music again!!
I listened to the instrumental and the mix is much better. The singing is excellent and added the cherry on top! The angel/devil in disguise idea has been done a million times and a million more times to come in the future. Of course nothing beats Elvis' Devil In Disguise but this might come in a close second. ;)
Hey Kyle, this has a big sound to it, almost like a U2 song(Rattle and Hum period) with the keys/pad rolling in the background as the drums pound away and the singer wails! All the elements are there.
I know what you mean about uploading because you are tired of mixing it, lol!! We must listen to bits and pieces of songs hundreds of times, at least. I usually try to have 3 or 4 songs going at once so I don't get too bored with one project.
Hey Wayne thanks for stopping by and listening, its always appreciated. I have been trying to find more time to write and record, still not as much as I would like but at least I can do it a little. I am able to work on about 1 track a month which is good compared to the 3-4 months it was taking. I put in a studio at the school that I teach at so now when I have free time I try to get in there and utilize it. Anyway, thanks again.
Hey Fila, it's been a while but worth the wait. Having my coffee and waking up this fine morning and this track is putting me in the perfect mood.
Good drums, they sit back and do their job and let the feature instruments shine. You are right, the piano is what all the other instruments revolve around. The synths add a nice peaceful feeling.
My coffee is kicking in but hey, this music is chilling it to iced coffee!! ;) Take care, don't be such a stranger, post more!!
theHumps whats up man? Yes it has been a while good to see some of the originals still around. Had a battle with Cancer but cancer free now so time to get back to looping. Been playing around with this for about 9 months as I try and get the groove back. Thanks for stopping by and leaving those great comments. Appreciated! Did't mean to chill your coffee but damn just happened to my cup!! Thanks again for stopping by. Got two potentials in the can. Stay tuned! Take Care Filãofsoul
The song is so upbeat, happy sounding and energetic and knowing something is wrong with Franco's health is making the dancing almost unbearable. ;) Hope you are well Franco!
Thanks so much, Wayne, and I'm sure Franco appreciates your best wishes. He's still recovering and even back to work (although not too happy about it!) Our projects may be slowing down, but we'll keep going as long as we can. Franco, Scott, Dan and I have a project about to begin in a couple days.
I hope you own a mandolin, I heard some fast pickin' going on in there. I like the bass and drums on this track. Bass is so underrated as to how much fun it is to play and to how it can have an impact on the song. There are periods where the bass is simple and places where the bass is moving out. Mostly when the drummer and bass are in a groove, you can tell. Your bass playing is really good here!
Hey Wayne my man!
Thanks for your interests in the track my friend.Yes the bass is a very abused instrument in the big world :) ,most great bands have great bass players and the bass line is so important to harmony.Example;if the guitarist is playing a C chord and the bass plays an A root note,we are now in Aminor. :)
on Voltage by mudhoen
I couldn't tell you the first thing about Trap but I "caught" myself listening to this a few times. sorry
I would guess that the saw synth is a big deal in Trance, it's out in force. Drums are pounding, which I associate club music to this type of beat. Sounds cool enough to me, especially the softer sounding synth at the end.
Wayne
on Full track for the upcoming tutorial by Mahloo13
I've been wondering how much to push the limiter gain on the master channel. Using Ableton, in the mastering plugin I use, it has a limiter. I notice by turning up the level on the limiter gain will push my nice mix louder but at the same time losing some of the tracks dynamics.
I know this isn't finished but how much do you push the limiter? Is it more just feeling out the track and push the gain depending on the type of music it is or is there a certain "standard" level where dynamics lose out and loudness wins?
Wayne
Sorry for getting back so late at you, for some reason I didn't receive any notifications about the coments.
Yes there is a standard for commercial releases regarding loudness.It depends on the genre of music or if it's for television then it's a totally different standard.
As for how much I push my limiter during mastering...well it depends. I don't limit more than 2 dB's. So basically I get 2dB's of reduction on my final limiter.
You could add a transient designer right before the limiter and it will bring back some snap into the mix.
One of the main problems with mixes that lose life when you throw a limiter is that they are not properly balanced and the limiter triggers all the time on transients thus killing your mix. Don't be afraid to rebalance once you put the limiter there, you do have that luxury. :)
on Saturday Bugpop by DanGoldstein
Creative as usual. Now a days we have bugs in out electronic devices. Hearing the electronic music and how you shaped it made me think of those types of bugs out for a joyride, creating some havoc for unsuspecting targets. Is this the joy they would express? ha!
Take care Dan!
Wayne
on Meu Pandeiro by Musicante
I am listening in 5.1 on a Sony surround system. I mirror my Macbook Air through Apple TV and the web is shown on my tv which is then hooked up to the Sony surround.
I am getting some bass, most drums and singing through mostly the front center speaker. Getting some signal from my front speakers(l+r) but not all that much. Most of the sound coming from the front is centered. I use a sub woofer and that is booming the bass but I would rather hear the mid bass tones in my rear speakers than from the center channel.
The guitar and sax lead sound good in the rear speakers along with the backing vox.
Hand claps are centered in front as well, those would be nice spread wide. To me it seems a lot is front and center and the two front speakers need more in them. The vocals need a little room and maybe a bit louder, there is a lot going on in my center channel.
Hope that helps, :)
I could listen to Latin music all day, thanks!
Wayne
Thanks for your comments. I don't try to be too aggressive with the different speakers. I mix on a stereo system and when it sounds good through it, I listen to it over my SS system. Every system will be different depending on the levels of the individual speakers and room size. I know I have my rear speakers a bit louder since they are far from my fronts. I don't put anything on the sub channel, since your system pretty well takes care of that. It's fine for movies, but, IMO, it can be overkill using that channel for music, so I won't put the low end on the sub channel. I actually didn't put anything on the center channel. Your system is doing that. Sometimes if the vocal track isn't dominant enough, I will split that track between the center and the fronts.
Whew... Didn't mean to be so long winded!
Anyway, thanks again for your help.
Ciao,
M.
on Luke The Biker by Musicante
I can easily relate to the song and chuckle as I enjoy Scott's words. So glad he gave us another treat. His Issac Hayes voice is gift, now time to exploit it, hehe.
Dig the music. Listened to it on 5.1 and had to make a few adjustments to my system like raising the center channel but it sounded fine. Dan smokes on that sax, man oh man! Great job Franco putting this together.
Always a pleasure folks!!
Wayne
Ciao,
M.
on Call It Compromise by topvega
I feel your vocals could be louder or more centered, they seem very wide to me in the mix. I actually decrease the width of my vocals to about 90%. This way they are centered and more narrow in my mix. By doing this it helps to keep it from messing with my featured instruments' freqs which I pan wide. Then I use a short delay and a bit of reverb to give me the additional width in the mix while keeping the vocals centered and narrow. Hopefully that makes some sense, he.
Wayne
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on I Dont Know You Anymore by austinmusic
One suggestion I will make is to not introduce the kick until the chorus. The impact would be greater when it "kicks" in and honestly, I think it takes away from the singing in the verses. Maybe try a hi hat or some percussion through the verses, something less impactful to make the words be the focus.
Wayne
on Cried A Million Tears by Mosaic
Jeff Tweedy of Wilco once said, referring to personal issues in his life and making music, that he makes music IN SPITE of all the issues he has faced like drug addiction and mental problems. He transcends the issues, overcomes them by making music and he feels like his issues won't hold him down from doing something he loves. In the end a feeling of accomplishment can boost one's moral and pick him up from the stressful things in life, it is amazing what music can do.
I took a lot from what he said and feel the same way. Making music while experiencing all I've been through recently has been the ticket to keeping me happy and distracted from all the stress.
Keep making music my friend and stick around, please!
Wayne
Thank you for stopping by, things still up in the air but at least I am back here, thanks to a Spiv asking me to remix a track for him, got the fire started again, will try and stay around with some tracks my friend, will send email next few days to fill you in on whats happening...Thanks for the fav...Peace n Respect mate...mosaic...
on Alive by ImproveWithError
Nice job Kyle!
Wayne
Thanks for taking a listen, country is my favorite music genre but I don't do it often because its hard to find the right sound. I finally found some guitar tones that I like so hopefully I will be turning some more out in the future. Thanks again.
Kyle
on Like this - ft Grotesk the subhuman by TeeGee1965
Great job Fellas!
Wayne
thanks for listening and commenting, appreciate it. Yes, I roughed and distorted the vocal track a little, it was on purpose. Good spot, that. We like this song a lot, it is simple in a way but came out nice in the end :)
on Angel in the Night -SadGhoster87 Remix by acesmith
on Errodead by Crypt
I think vocals would add a lot to this and give it an added dimension. Are you planning to add vocals? Hopefully you are. If you would like some help I wouldn't mind taking a crack at something like this. I can hear some Scott Weiland styled vocals in there. I've never tried that style but willing to. If interested give me a shout through the site.
Cheers!
Wayne
on jazz of ethereal forest plus bonus track by promenade2239
The second piece is a nice ethereal, dreamy piece. The vocals echoing is a nice effect. Well done Alex!
Wayne
on The Warm Glow Of Yesterday by StaticNomad
Neat track and a good jam track. I think some of that dobro would fit in the end part.
I didn't care for the synth in the end so much. Things were sounding pretty organic then that popped up. Felt a more natural sound could have been used. Just a person thing.
Keep working that cello in. You just may be the next Jeff Lynne.
Wayne
I sure am giving the cello a good workout. I've hardly played any other instrument for the last 2 months. I'm trying to get half decent (nowhere near that yet) so I can really properly incorporate it in my music.
Until then, I'm having to do so much editing of the parts I record as there are so many errors and shit, unintentional tones.
" Some of the higher stuff you played around 6:30 was very cool"
I agree. It's really laidback, kind of classy playing but there are also some nice little rapid bowed runs. I find playing the top two strings (as I'm doing here) really quite difficult as they seem to be quite far away from me so I have to adjust my position just to see what I'm doing.
"some of that dobro would fit in the end part."
Quite possibly but I was adamant that I wanted to try making it work only with cello as the lead instrument. I've hardly played any slide in many months.
"I didn't care for the synth in the end so much. Things were sounding pretty organic then that popped up"
No problem if you don't like it but what you say is a bit of a surprise because that same synth sound has already occurred quite prominently twice in the track. So, check it out at 0:48 and then 3:12. By bringing it back at 7:30, I'm only returning to previously established themes so hopefully it shouldn't feel too out of place. Despite being cello-heavy, I don't see this as a natural, acoustic, organic kind of track. It's still really quite processed and progressive. So, I think the trancey arp synth fits that vibe.
"You just may be the next Jeff Lynne."
Ha, I'm a massive fan of his but I don't believe he plays cello. You're thinking of one or two of his bandmates in ELO, one of my favourite groups of all time. They are a much maligned and seriously underrated group.
Thanks again.
on Myy Lyyfe by KnightHeir
Wayne
on When the Queens Come Marching Home by topvega
This one comes out of the gate guns a blazin'! I love music like this, in your face rock and roll. This is great live bar room music. Mix sounds great!
Wayne
Thanks for the listen and the feedback.
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on The Rituals Of Spring by Orlando51
I do appreciate any percussion you used, works well here as do the strings, they tear at the heart. The piano is straight forward at first then at the end plays some fills that makes me shout MORE! Ed's acoustic sounds nice and it goes so well with this overall positive feel of renewal.
Combined or by yourselves, you guys are some talented folks!
Take care!
Wayne
With much appreciation________Orlando
on Just Thinking by Filaofsoul
Be good and take care of you and yours.
Wayne
on Angel In Disguise by BradoSanz
Good luck in the competition, you guys are great!
Wayne
Brado
on On This Day by ImproveWithError
I know what you mean about uploading because you are tired of mixing it, lol!! We must listen to bits and pieces of songs hundreds of times, at least. I usually try to have 3 or 4 songs going at once so I don't get too bored with one project.
Take care!
Wayne
Kyle
on Just Thinking by Filaofsoul
Good drums, they sit back and do their job and let the feature instruments shine. You are right, the piano is what all the other instruments revolve around. The synths add a nice peaceful feeling.
My coffee is kicking in but hey, this music is chilling it to iced coffee!! ;) Take care, don't be such a stranger, post more!!
Wayne
on Foreign Glory by TinyFinger
More!!
Wayne
on Non e un gioco by Musicante
Keep the hits coming, what a gem!
Wayne
Ciao,
M.
on Setting-the-tones by ronabo
Wayne
Ronabo
on Losing you by Rhodesy
Great vibe and cool sounds Rhodesy!
Wayne
Thanks for your interests in the track my friend.Yes the bass is a very abused instrument in the big world :) ,most great bands have great bass players and the bass line is so important to harmony.Example;if the guitarist is playing a C chord and the bass plays an A root note,we are now in Aminor. :)