Man...get yourself down to the recording studio with your co-producer and don't come out until you've got this baby nailed down!..real R&B!..I can't believe it. lol....I have no idea what it takes to make a hit these days,but the source of what your doing here will never go out of style,a genuine vibe...and with all the watered down stuff around these days that's golden!...don't come out till your finished! haha
great work! cheers Dave
Ok guys..I'm taking the gloves off from now on (mainly due to the fact that I'm doing all my first take monitoring through my Auratone speakers now and I've raised them up to ear level,they do not lie)......Hot Damn!..the track still sounds fantastic!lol(as if it wouldn't,the mid range is where all the serious stuff sinks or swims)...I just love the attention to detail that you put into your work Richie,the drum track alone is golden,fantastic tom fills..I was getting quite nostalgic listening to this,it's pure early 80's rock..a lost fragment of the last vestige slowly subsiding into the quicksand of musical oblivion...sad...(lol) I just did a flashback (sorry)...ahhh,what can I say ...there is only one way Pat's voice can be improved and that's to run it through something like an Avalon737 tube pre,their only about $2,700 haha....and even then the results would only be in a 10% margin..the woman is amazing (all hail the Queen)....Man you keep stepping up your game and producing quality material,it really is a pleasure to listen to,and so informative about how to do it right.....quality effort with a superb result!
cheers Dave
It's always good to read your comments and I'm glad the Auratones gave the track a good review too! The tracks with Patricia naturally evolve around the vocal and I spend hours editing and refining the track into a coherent piece. Yes, your dead right, it's all in the detail and it's just great you notice and mention that. Thank you.
Ah a valve pre amp - what I wouldn't give for one of those. It was on my birthday wish list but hasn't materialed as yet!!! Apart from Patricia's undoubted singing talent she does a great job recording her voice too - the acapellas are always clean and of great quality. A pleasure to work with.
Thanks for the great comments Dave - much appreciated.
Ah..I was cruising the forum threads and saw you'd put up a track,hang on a sec and I'll slip on my steel capped boots...My first impression is of a Eurovisioned Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairies (pity about ol'Humpy by the way,he deserved better than second last!)hehe...there's a lot of great staccato phrasing going on and the progressions throughout the piece are well structured and segue well...in fact you've done all the hard leg work conceptually..I wouldn't get too bogged down with things like sidechaining,compressing the bejezus out of things and bass boosting initially...these sort of trancey,electro tracks usually incorporate huge soundscapes with epic scene presence..the best way to track a big sound is to layer things..one synth part for instance is made up of five or six separate tracks with different eq filters,reverbs and left ,right,centre panning,same with the rhythm section....before you know it you've got that 'big' sound.........still,I like this version because it doesn't blast your socks off...cool!..one question,what does EDCA stand for please? cheers Dave
You did the jazz shimmy (please excuse my ignorance of jazz terminology) into here for lil 'ol me? I kinda love you ^^. Always flattered to get a comment from a vetreran looper.
It WAS actually looking for that "blast your soxxx off" sound and have done some layering (far from enough though) but I'm glad you like it as it is.
Oh, EDCA is a closely guarded secret, which will be revealed only when my work is of its best possible quality. I'll give you a clue though; it's nothing to do with eating dandelions calmly asleep. That narrow it down any? ^^
Hey Fila..man that's some cool groove!I've filed that bass line away immediately!lol....man I haven't been to Bangkok since 75 and it was crazy then,way hot and sweaty!...I say again this is one cool groove,love the sax/flute and the electric piano is spot on..very funky vibes for a funky town which I spent far too little time in,great work man..cheers Dave :)
Hey Carlos..way smooth and groovy man! I like the way you've given a contemporary vibrant slant to this piece,it's almost an electro jazz feel but with heavy emphasis on the funky side,there's also plenty of potential for a vocal inclusion as well...cracking tune,hot and modern! cheers Dave
Hey Dave, first off its a real pleasure to meet you as i am a fellow bass player myself and i've had the good fortune of listening to your work...thanks for stopping by and commenting...appreciate the input especially from an artist of your caliber..much respect
Hey Carlos.....Great groove man!...I have to say straight up that I'm really envious of people that can create Pop music(good Pop music that is! lol) and this number is no exception...A professional sounding track that'll attract a lot of vocalists I'm thinking....When listening to this I'm hearing the possible template for a hit single..this never occurs when I'm listening to my own music! LOL...obviously you've been travelling on the musical river for a long time and you've seen a lot of bridges,excellent work! cheers Dave
Well I'm listening to this through a new pair of cans...every nuance is revealed..Sweeeeeeet! Like someone got a cocktail shaker,poured in some over-proof happiness,a month of sunshine,four fifths of contentment and a few blocks of life's purpose......Patricia I have absolutely no idea how you manage to get the performances you deliver so spontaneously..I mean I have some inkling of the process,but you radiate rather than project,if ever there was a case of God given talent you may very well be a legitimate recipient.......The music is first class and even more notable is the fact that as a premeditated construct you would expect a certain amount of regimentation and constriction in a made to order composition,quite the opposite prevails,here's a living breathing self sustaining creation,every phrase right down to the closing cymbal tail is fantastic!....almost too good! lol
OOOhh...Love the intro!...man this is way up the Coooooool side of town..I have never been to Chicago,but this is CHICAGO!.....Post BeBop on the cusp of the industrial hallucinogenic era..my favourite sort of music!...man I can listen to this for the rest of history...there's no better place to be,love the acoustic nylon!!!!!..super track man,one of my favourites of yours!......awesome outro!.....the best music comes from Germany!like a lot of things!lol....love the train fx!.....probably my favourite track in the last 10 years!...superb! Downloading now, I will listen many times!....cheers Dave :)
Just like moonlight through the pines!..one of my favourite lyric lines of all time..Man you don't do things by half measures do you..I've got to say this must have been very difficult to get right,and you've done that in spades!..I don't believe it!!! I've actually found a flaw..lol(at the very end of the fadeout there's an micro artifact left behind)..you are human after all..hehe sorry mate I've been dying to find something like that..same with Bilbozo's stuff..it's unnaturally(uncannily) good! :)...back to the tune....I've heard this song interpreted so many times by so many artist's(The Band's version with Richard Manuel singing is my fav)..I think what sets this version apart is the balancing of the piano tone with the superb vocals and the way your phrasing is arranged,there's more than little of the ghost of Hoagy Carmichael strolling around in there somewhere....dropping in that lead guitar passage takes it into a true ensemble feel as well..fantastic job,you've somehow managed to meld traditional aspects of this song while contemporizing enough to make it thoroughly modern and your own....I think the true worth of artist is when he's outside his comfort zone,but he's the only one that's aware of this.
cheers Dave
I'm pleased I've made your day with the imperfection. If I said it was there purposely to engage those with Dr Spock ears you wouldn't believe me would you? Quite right too! This was such a challenge - I am so pleased with the positive comments you make. Yes, truly outside my comfort zone here but you learn a lot doing that. Thanks again.
Man I'm 99% Scotts..I've always wanted to make Celtic music but wouldn't know where to start for the life of me..after listening for about 4 bars I can feel the tug of the genetic code stirring (thank God there were no lead bagpipes..they always make me feel like marching off to war! lol).....seriously though Bill this is absolutely beautiful,and your vocals fall into that true 'folk' area..a place where the impact isn't measure in chromatic gymnastics but in sincerity and timing....it takes me to a place I've never been but would love to visit...fantastic arrangement,with enough polish to play a large concert hall yet still blow the froth off a pub full of Guinness! cheers Dave :)
Heya Dave. You must have been bewildered at the content. Not my usual fare in the least. Actually I didn't expect to have any reviews at all, because of that. It was just something I wanted to do for me in memory of my dad, and as well, for Marie because we talked about the song before and she encouraged me to work on it. I'm glad followed through, the procrastinator I am ! Thanks Dave (The Scot Down Under!)
Hi Pryncyss...whoa,this is wicked!...excellent track! love all the transient elements that are swirling around and you never loose sight of your visual direction..so often I see people get a loop and just use it without really contextualising it.... making it their own so to speak,no fear of that here!..you've developed some superb continuity and structural dynamics between beats,vocals(which are fantastic)and fx,it all adds up to one happening thang! (apologies to the south) lol...the only thing I would do if you haven't already...is introduce yourself in the forums so more people can become aware of your talents...great stuff! cheers Dave :)
Hey Planet~ So I took your advice and have introduced myself and look what you started! LOL To see that my track has been downloaded five times is so very cool and means so much to me~
Hey Neil..interesting groove mate..I'm enjoying the guitar and I'm sure you could expand this into a full blown rock opera! haha...I tell you what though,I do think this track could hit another level with some added big,bigger,biggest bass...but not the sort I do! lol..It's got this hybrid modern feel(the song)and including some fully contemporary (sick)wobble,or sine bass is the way to go..you know that super speaker busting low end sub madness that's prevalent in some of today's more avant-garde music...I have no clue how they do it,but that's what it needs maybe....good to see ya back in the saddle mate!..cheers Dave :)
Ozark Mountain Daredevils(amongst others)...well hardly,but those dudes would be running around in ecstatic circles if they heard this!lol...I very often find myself making comparisons between your music and established icons within the industry..this is totally wrong....I should be reviewing their music and comparing it to yours!.........The choice of acoustic guitar for the main rhythm element immediately stamps this tune with that unmistakable intimacy and close projection of a live situation...Is it my imagination or are the vocals similarly inflected,either through superb mixing,a ghost of the perfect reverb or some subtle alchemy beyond human detection...whatever the case this is as close as you can come to an 'in the room' musical experience.....and what an experience it is, fantastic!..more a distillation than a collaboration.
cheers Dave
Now this sounds mint!..I'm struggling to find any flaws but I'll do my best in giving an honest appraisal....beautiful bass tone and levels,articulate,supportive and consistent,it predominates with the drum track which as you'd expect from a country song isn't wheeled out to the front of the mix..the keyboards are sitting exactly where they should be,slightly diminished causing no frequency overlap,but resonant enough to ring on the chord changes..the guitar like the vocals steps up at just the right time to take a stroll out in front of the band.....Now the vocals...fantastic sound!..and here's my only slight critique..interestingly it falls into the presentation being too good!lol...I'll describe it this way..it's like a magazine cover,where a normally attractive woman has been airbrushed into unnatural beauty..the mid to high frequencies are too sparkly,too rich..in short Mahloo you've done your job too well!haha..I think the increments are in the bee's dick region and seriously I think this is a great track...there's also another factor to consider,the equipment I'm using to monitor this track is ok by home studio standards but hardly top of the line pro studio gear and it is an mp3 file...I really tried my best to find some faults,but I failed!lol...cool stuff man!...cheers Dave
Whoa...a(contemporary)pop song that I actually dig!.....Well of course there's a logical explanation apart from being a Richie Winn composition(collaboration)....Stephanie's vocals are excellent with a very articulated(and young)delivery(lets face it pop stars are young! haha),the subtle use of autotune gives them a modern cast and crystal like quality....unlike most production houses that manufacture 'popular' music or should I say cook it to that perceived recipe,this song displays a tactile progression incorporating nuance and feel,not just a conveyor belt of facile choruses interspersed with a few repetitive synthesised attempts at musicianship......to me this is real 'pop' music and as the name implies should have broad appeal..if Sony ever got hold of it the first thing to go would be the guitar solo..bastards! lol....great collab guys!!............cheers Dave
Super comments and so eloquently written - thank you. I think my love of pop music comes from a long history of playing in covers bands. You learn so much over the years. I hope some of it is evident in my efforts here on LM.
Stephanie is a great talent and I enjoyed this collaboration very much. I only hope she likes it!!! Oh, and the solo stays even if Sony or anyone else want to sign me up!!
Hey Coney good to see you back man..I've heard the original Flip It track and loved that..this version is just as good,but obviously Coneyfied..to use the phrase "the rap's immaculate" is quite fitting here...damn! there's always someone who has to insert,check out my tracks in a review.....well I guess that's the young HipHop individual for you,haha..too bad there's not a gangsta slappin device in service! lol......I know like most people you're a busy guy but someone's got to show the wannabes how it's done...more tracks please!...cheers Dave
Cool intro man!..actually it's an excellent intro!!..Is this the sort of music where your meant to take mood altering substances then pack yourself into an establishment with no marked safety exits,and then pretend your way too cool to look down the dress of the gorgeous babe dancing with her friends?..hahaha....God knows why these images present when I see the word Trance,maybe it's my aversion to the somnambulist tendencies of 21st century youth within their chosen nocturnal habitat of "Clubland".....now,seeing as I've got all my preconceptions out of the way I can critique the track properly(lol)...a great amorphous groove which doesn't rest on the opening choruses,but rather evolves and spirals with reflecting nuance and depth throughout it's journey..I suppose I could just declare it's a'banging' track and be done..but I only ever really sink my sarcastic boots into generic Hip Hop!........it is however the best Trance tune I've heard in ages!.....cheers Dave :)
Cheers Dave,
It's nice to wake up in the morning and find myself chuckling about generic hip hop, so even if you thought the track sucked that would have put a smile on my face. (can't beat a bit of "wassup! yo! Yo! Checkit! Rockit! Innit? yeah! yeah!")
Although i'm feeling it was worth the extra bit of mixing down at the end of this track so i must remember to stop being lazy with future mixdowns.
Glad you could stop by and check it out.
Great track! credit where it's due...what I like most apart from the cool mix and the overall excellent live ambience,is those spacey scratches or wobbles,takes it to another level..if those were items I could pinch (I would!)...and yes,it did improve my day.
thanks planet!..those are some classic dubsirens, which now have been made into vsts...one is called just DubSiren (from interrruptor.ch) and the other is Rasta Box..which i think was KVRaudio, but google and you'll have em in 5 mins. dont hurt yourself! lol, cheers for the review...smmr
Nice intro to a great track....Now I'm not going to go on about Pat's great vocal talent but rather concentrate on what you've done with her ability......Unlike some other producers you actually have excellent rhythmic perception and a great sense of dramatisation within a linear framework,there is also ample evidence of your simpatico and due diligence to the task of creating balance within the dynamics of the track....the axiom "If it sounds good,it's usually better than you think" applies here....absolutely can't fault it anywhere...an excellent mix as well,top shelf!
cheers...Dave Urban (no I'm not Keith's brother)
Waking and looking out upon the surroundings of one's life is an everyday occurance and so often the view is obscurred by doubt,fear and uncertainty...this track is like a mountain,and rises above all the vapors of dispair that too often accumulate on the plain of one's creativity.............Modern World is a focus and at the same time a projection into the pshyce of it's creator Bilbozo..The use of light and shade within the composition isn't like an ephemeral stroll through some Impressionist's garden,this is the Modern World,where reality bites and it seems every step is filled with the accumulated lust and greed of a consumer orientated meltdown..it would be so easy to become mesmerised by the darkness and chug away into a rock and roll apocalypse,but like the mountain the whole track lifts and gathers a self sustaining enlightenment.....Damn man!I was nearly tripping there for a moment....back to earth!lol.....your a bloody marvel,in fact to be perfectly accurate your a rock&roll; neo classicist..we maybe need to build a glass case to put you in..(after your allotted time here on earth has expired and you've been stuffed of course!).....Awesome with a capital A!....cheers Dave :)
Another superb cover!...if I can just point out one particular part of Richie's playing (before I go into total Pat fan meltdown!lol)..nothing better exemplifies the sound package here than Richie's muted picking,by itself it's insignificant but it lends everything to this track,and gives that Steve Cropper session guitarist polish,plus I've yet to hear anyone use and incorporate EZDrummer as well as Richie does...he's a walking musical studio all by himself!......To tell the truth I've never been a Shania Twain fan..in fact I'm still not!..I'm a Pat Edwards Fan!!(and Richie Winn!) lol..a buck will get you ten if both songs were broadcast live and a national poll taken,Pat would win convincingly,I have absolutely no doubt...I think what we're hearing here is a voice that is on a life's journey,one that is exceptional now and one that will even improve more as time progresses....hard to believe,but true I think....cheers Dave
Richie is one of the best producers, muzicians, team players, all that, that I've ever had the awesome pleasure of working through internet with haha. It gives me great pleasure to say that I think I've found someone who could possibly be more of a perfectionist than me haha. Hands down, he is one of the best here on Looperman!
And ya know Dave, everytime I hear tracks such as this one it gives me a bit more thought about wanting that muzic career, this time the way I've wanted, worldwide.
I've always found it interesting that HH music uses a lot of orchestral instruments and classical motifs yet leaves them mostly subordinated to the beat....the only reason I say this is my first encounters with classical music were abject failures as I didn't really 'get it'.... and I have no doubt if I had of heard music like this when I was a kid I would have become hooked so to speak...since then I've listened to heaps of Classical music and enjoy it but I still don't 'get it' fully! lol..great tune,I wonder how an orchestra would handle it...cheers Dave :)
Dave, man I really understand this :) Same for me... Grown by piano addicts, had to spent something like 25 years running scales and passing thumbs under the middle finger :D Raised with Bach exercises ( very few people know it's exercising more than music )... It took me 30 years to explore classical music, on my own, and being able to like it... :)
Unfortunately, classical music refers very often to "musical education", and this directly refers to a very close-minded world I think... When you open this world to other worlds, then it becomes interesting...
As I wonder too how a real orchestra would handle it... Especially if they work like me, with a tequila bottle on their side :D
Again, thank you for stopping by and leaving feedback... :)
Hey Chris...cool track man!I've never heard French HH before..Man I spent a year in France in 1975,mainly down in Aix,they weren't playing this stuff then! lol...this is great,very chic and dynamic and the production values are excellent..very cool work mate!...cheers Dave :)
Dave, thank you very much takin time to listen and leaving this kind comment... :)
This genre of hiphop appeared in the mid 80s with a 'band" called Iam... ;)
Hey Rei you got your funky boots on again..cool stuff man!..I'm loving this track maximus appreciato...from Eshar's cool cool accented prose to that hipshot guitar work all makes for a hot track....your guitar playing reminds me of these American yoyo experts that came out to Australia on a promotional tour in the late sixties,they blew everyone away,we all thought they were golden gods from the promised land! lol...man you weren't standing at the end of the queue when they were handing out guitar skill that's for sure!...awesome!..cheers Dave
hey Dave!!!
I love your reviews maximus appreciato ... hehe
if those guitar gods ever come back to Australia, give me a call ...
thx a lot for listening ...
With all apologies to any religious sensibilities,your home page is going to become a Mecca for music lovers and the path is going to be beaten far and wide with the coming and goings of the multitudes...I grew up on the blues,but typically early on it was the white twelve bar variety synthesised by a legion of plagiarists mainly from England,light years removed from this variety...This just has everything,the whole song is a sweet spot..The Staple Singers couldn't do better,I'm totally blown away by those harmonies..there's such a great balance between you and Richie,very professional,in fact it's better than that...it's organic..it's alive.....I really wish I was getting paid by some music rag and giving a full length critique here,because I would wax lyrical and at great length....the music you two are creating is an accretion from dues well paid over an obviously well focused time...it not only deserves but demands respect......Superb! cheers Dave
Strange that I was having a conversation the other day about sparking up a blues career, the joke was my headline approach "Patty Blows The Blues", it was funny.
Anyway, I figure you don't need a great voice to sing blues, most people who listen to it are already in some sort of dysfunctional state of mind so I wouldn't have to work hard at live shows AND if I can come up with 17 more songs I'd have a pretty good following and I'd be able to generate shows in no time. Now that I think about it, I just might work haha.
Any way, Richie informed me this is no typical 12 bar blues, in fact I got a very helpful crash course in what makes 12 bar blues 12 bar blues.
And just so my reply doesn't ooze of length, thanks Dave. I really do appreciate it, and whatever the genre, I think I can count on you to be somewhere in there...even it if is just giving a "full length critique", which is a pretty big and important job :-)
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great work! cheers Dave
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cheers Dave
It's always good to read your comments and I'm glad the Auratones gave the track a good review too! The tracks with Patricia naturally evolve around the vocal and I spend hours editing and refining the track into a coherent piece. Yes, your dead right, it's all in the detail and it's just great you notice and mention that. Thank you.
Ah a valve pre amp - what I wouldn't give for one of those. It was on my birthday wish list but hasn't materialed as yet!!! Apart from Patricia's undoubted singing talent she does a great job recording her voice too - the acapellas are always clean and of great quality. A pleasure to work with.
Thanks for the great comments Dave - much appreciated.
Richie
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It WAS actually looking for that "blast your soxxx off" sound and have done some layering (far from enough though) but I'm glad you like it as it is.
Oh, EDCA is a closely guarded secret, which will be revealed only when my work is of its best possible quality. I'll give you a clue though; it's nothing to do with eating dandelions calmly asleep. That narrow it down any? ^^
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Peace
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I've no idea how I manage these performances either, sometimes I listen back and amaze myself, hehe.
Thank you so much Dave!!
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I do not know what I'm saying there.
THANK YOU
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cheers Dave
I'm pleased I've made your day with the imperfection. If I said it was there purposely to engage those with Dr Spock ears you wouldn't believe me would you? Quite right too! This was such a challenge - I am so pleased with the positive comments you make. Yes, truly outside my comfort zone here but you learn a lot doing that. Thanks again.
Regards
Richie
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cheers Dave
Richie does all this stuff and I just get to sit back and listen after the rock becomes a gem! I feel bad, cuz it's a really easy job lol.
Thanks for the stopping by again Dave :-)
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Monitoring conditions don't matter as I'm actually looking for as much variation as I can find in monitoring systems.
Thanks once again!
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Super comments and so eloquently written - thank you. I think my love of pop music comes from a long history of playing in covers bands. You learn so much over the years. I hope some of it is evident in my efforts here on LM.
Stephanie is a great talent and I enjoyed this collaboration very much. I only hope she likes it!!! Oh, and the solo stays even if Sony or anyone else want to sign me up!!
Cheers
Richie
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It's nice to wake up in the morning and find myself chuckling about generic hip hop, so even if you thought the track sucked that would have put a smile on my face. (can't beat a bit of "wassup! yo! Yo! Checkit! Rockit! Innit? yeah! yeah!")
Although i'm feeling it was worth the extra bit of mixing down at the end of this track so i must remember to stop being lazy with future mixdowns.
Glad you could stop by and check it out.
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on Aint Nobody Loving Me But You by WongKiShoo
cheers...Dave Urban (no I'm not Keith's brother)
Totally blown away tbh.. Thanks so much "Mr Urban" xD
Ciao for now o/
WongKi
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on Forever And Always cover by ShaniaTwain by FullCapicityMuzic
And ya know Dave, everytime I hear tracks such as this one it gives me a bit more thought about wanting that muzic career, this time the way I've wanted, worldwide.
I think I may already be there :-). Thanks Dave!
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Unfortunately, classical music refers very often to "musical education", and this directly refers to a very close-minded world I think... When you open this world to other worlds, then it becomes interesting...
As I wonder too how a real orchestra would handle it... Especially if they work like me, with a tequila bottle on their side :D
Again, thank you for stopping by and leaving feedback... :)
Chris
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This genre of hiphop appeared in the mid 80s with a 'band" called Iam... ;)
Peace.
Chris
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I love your reviews maximus appreciato ... hehe
if those guitar gods ever come back to Australia, give me a call ...
thx a lot for listening ...
peace, rei
on I Dream of You muzic by RichieWinn by FullCapicityMuzic
Strange that I was having a conversation the other day about sparking up a blues career, the joke was my headline approach "Patty Blows The Blues", it was funny.
Anyway, I figure you don't need a great voice to sing blues, most people who listen to it are already in some sort of dysfunctional state of mind so I wouldn't have to work hard at live shows AND if I can come up with 17 more songs I'd have a pretty good following and I'd be able to generate shows in no time. Now that I think about it, I just might work haha.
Any way, Richie informed me this is no typical 12 bar blues, in fact I got a very helpful crash course in what makes 12 bar blues 12 bar blues.
And just so my reply doesn't ooze of length, thanks Dave. I really do appreciate it, and whatever the genre, I think I can count on you to be somewhere in there...even it if is just giving a "full length critique", which is a pretty big and important job :-)