What I Think (Second Version) - StephenPotter

13th Jun 2010 20:16 - 16 years ago
Tags :
Trance
6.84 MB
Description : I have put this under trance because I think it will be by the end result, although at the moment its just a beautiful piano intro, perhaps the most complicated intro I've ever done. This will need vocals, but I think I got it covered this time. If you are interested in this song then keep an eye out in the forums for things titled "what I think _____ required".
This wont be up for download, because this is perhaps my best song yet.
The piano is a Gladiator 2 preset with delay, reverb and a compresser attatched to it via FL's mixer.
I do need help thinking of what to do next, take a look in the forums to tell me your thoughts on what I should actually do , or just leave them in the review section.

Thank you to everyone whos collabed with me recently! So thank you FlorinB92, Deepman, Cybertooth, SIENsystem, and everyone else who has worked on a song with me!

EDIT!: I've updated the track, it now has a drumline, bridge, vocals, everything. But I'm still not finished, this song is still a work in progress.

SECOND EDIT!: Updated again, sounds a lot better without all the breakdowns, tell me what you think. I ditched my vocals, I need a singer during the pad section, and it will go on longer instead of fading out.

Ste :)

Comments (28)

If you have time take a listen and give StephenPotter some feedback.

MalvyDuo
MalvyDuo 27th Dec 2010 10:41 - 15 years ago
Amazing . I think it needs a nice pad and a running baseline :)
Then it would be top work . Good job
StephenPotter
StephenPotter replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
Yeah, it is something I gotta do something with.

Thanks for the review!

Ste :)
Influx
Influx 13th Dec 2010 08:33 - 15 years ago
Sounds really good, bro! Only thin i would suggest is toning down the sidechain haha. You probably already realized that though :D Anyways, Loved the track. Really bumpin!
StephenPotter
StephenPotter replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
Yeah, I fixed the sidechain shortly after uploading, after I heard exactly how heavy ir was, lolz.

Glad you liked the track!

Ste :D
Spivkurl
Spivkurl 19th Nov 2010 19:17 - 15 years ago
Wow, I'm impressed! You've really taken this to the next level with your additions! The piano parts are just superb! I like that sidechaining a lot! This was over way too fast! Really good tune my friend! Faved for sure!
StephenPotter
StephenPotter replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
I really need to work on this track more. New sections, more synth layers, fxs, probably a better bunch of drums as well are in order I think. and of course, the length needs to be increased to a level I'm happy with (because I find if I'm not happy with it, the listener normally isn't either)

Glad you liked the track though!

Ste :)
DJsDragoN
DJsDragoN 2nd Nov 2010 15:15 - 15 years ago
Hey Man! Nice banging Trance track you got here! Full of melody,massive energy and beautiful piano melodies! Really likes how it elevates and takes us flying away! :) Nice stuff man!
Keep it up!
StephenPotter
StephenPotter replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
Thanks, but I really need to do more to this track. Once I get there, I'll upload.

I'm just glad its got as many positive responses as it has.

Thanks for the review!

Ste :)
Thethanx
Thethanx 24th Oct 2010 19:15 - 15 years ago
Wow, normally not a trance guy, but I'm always trying new things here on the loop... Love the piano work for sure. hmmm I'm trying to give less "pat on the back" type reviews but I'm at a loss! I know nothing of the genre so it's hard for me to give any specific advice. Uhhhh.... Post some of this as loops? Seriously, if you haven't already some of those elements are superb, and you'd be a saint to share the love. (Also I kinda like the sidechaining)

I'll have to check out more of your stuff in the future!
StephenPotter
StephenPotter replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
I'm not sure about posting this track as loops. I think if I want to upload a loop, it will work best if I intentionally try to make it a loop.

Also, I don't think I could fit 32 bars into a loop without making the quality very very low.

Thanks for the review!

Ste :)
Mrbillionx
Mrbillionx 12th Oct 2010 06:10 - 15 years ago
oh man my head is drifting.

this is some trippy stuff when you have headphones on.

" I am so ready to download this "
StephenPotter
StephenPotter replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
Thanks, I think that was what I was going for with this track.

Ste :D
roel13
roel13 13th Sep 2010 20:22 - 16 years ago
this is sick man really this is something i would put on my usb memory stick and listen to while driving. again i love this...keep it up
StephenPotter
StephenPotter replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
Thanks, again, not too sure if I'll ever finish this track, but if I did, I'd try to get places with it.

Thanks for the review!

Ste :)
rsmisch
rsmisch 6th Sep 2010 19:32 - 16 years ago
he nice track man like the synth melody's in it

greet z DJ RV-Tex (rsmisch)
StephenPotter
StephenPotter replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it

Ste :)
alividlife
alividlife 31st Aug 2010 06:31 - 16 years ago
I am probably the only human being in the world that hates sidechain. lol
I didn't likey the sidechainy... Dynamics that flow smoothly really get me.
But!!!

Despite that.... For your age, the emotional content and quality is kinda humbling.
You just PWNed the Key of B.
Fantastic work...
I really enjoyed this!
Nice to meet yer music!
:)
StephenPotter
StephenPotter replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
I think the sidechain was over the top, this was before I learned to use the peak controller though so I actually manually sidechained, hence why it sounds too much. I have got better versions of this song but none of them are as long as this one.

But this is one of the more complicated emotional melodies I've done, which makes me feel very happy :D

But thanks for the review!

Ste :)
ChrissG
ChrissG 19th Aug 2010 15:33 - 16 years ago
Do i need to say more?! lol.. This track is very good man, love the elements and transitions, not my usual but a very good listen.. great use of effects to keep it up
StephenPotter
StephenPotter replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
I'm glad you liked the track, congrats on the purple by the way. I'm still trying to make this track better but I'm not having much luck right now.. I'm certain I'll get it done eventually though.

Thanks for the review!

Ste :)
NiiRU
NiiRU 14th Aug 2010 06:37 - 16 years ago
Wow, that was a trip. So thick, so many layers, so many textures. My ears were getting lost and overwhelmed all while enjoying the journey. Great lines, there is lot effort put in here, I can't wait to here the next version.
NOICE WORK!!!!
StephenPotter
StephenPotter replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
Sorry about the long wait for the reply, haven't had the chance to get back to you until just, I'm glad that you liked the track, there are a lot of sounds in this track, but its the piano that is the most complicated one.

Might not be a next version unless I can start thinking straight, but I'm getting there, slowly.

Thanks for the review!

Ste :)
WhiteSands
WhiteSands 21st Jul 2010 23:21 - 16 years ago
nice that piano came out really nice and of good quality. cool change ups def trance banger.
StephenPotter
StephenPotter replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
I'm glad you liked the piano, its actually made with a free vst called call player.

Thanks for the review!

Ste :)
clinthammerMUSIC
clinthammerMUSIC 17th Jul 2010 20:15 - 16 years ago
WAO! The pianos and organs in this song are freeking awesome, Ste! Love the intro build up a lot! and then the 303 sounding synth in the middle break down with the filter sweep...supereb melodies my Friend. I would like a cleaner kick in the drum line, ususally with trance I would go with a real booming synth sounding kick. And I would like to hear a little less threshold on the side-chain comp. Other than that you got a masterpiece, Ste!

Great Song, Friend!

fav'd
StephenPotter
StephenPotter replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
I sorted out the sidechain when I made a High quality version for that guy below :P The drumloop is all from one drumkit so maybe another kick sound is in order, but I don't think those would take me long to sort out.

Thanks for the review and the fav!

Ste :)
FlorinB92
FlorinB92 14th Jul 2010 18:15 - 16 years ago
Ste, send me this song in HQ, I love the way u get this track
It's much much better than the last time I listened

P.S. At the begining, you sidechained to much, try higher values to the melodies min 1:12 - 1:40
StephenPotter
StephenPotter replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
I'm glad you liked it, I'll send you it in a few moments, along with the other one, I just need to get my email working and prepare HQ versions :P

Thanks for the review, I'll get the sidechain fixed :P

Ste :)
typeMARS
typeMARS 8th Jul 2010 12:03 - 16 years ago
haha awesome Organ. good sidechaining too. nice job on the filtering. ^^b

overall:
9.5/10
StephenPotter
StephenPotter replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
From memory I think the organ plays 11 notes, and it took a while for me to get the levels right, but I'm glad I sorted it out, because it sounds a lot better now.

Thanks for the review!

Ste :)
Mosaic
Mosaic 2nd Jul 2010 07:09 - 16 years ago
Hey Ste

Matey this is very nice piece, very nicely arranged my friend, love the piano, like to hear piano in trance piece's which I have done in a few of mine, good beat, can not fault in anyway, maybe just adding a few of the things that JW suggested would finish it off more, like making it sound more fuller and complete, but man love what you have done so far, fav'd dude...Peace and Respect Ste....Estefano...PS have new trance up now, Aboriginal Trance-Time, diff but hope you enjoy....
StephenPotter
StephenPotter replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
I'll check out that track, probably gonna be a good one.

Thanks for the review and the Fav!

Ste :)
Rorshach2021
Rorshach2021 29th Jun 2010 23:44 - 16 years ago
this is really nice. nice emotive arpeg. when the kick comes in the sidechain is a little too heavy and the synth is drowned out a bit so watch that. the melody was amazing real good stuff reminds me of a few differnt tracks with that epic ancient story feel(if u catch my drift). keep at it and look forward to hearing more from u. that piano. wow
Hunter
StephenPotter
StephenPotter replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
I am trying to work on that sidechain and get it perfect, no luck yet though, but I'll get there. The piano is probably the best thing about this song at the moment. Its changed a lot since the first upload of this song.

Thanks for the review!

Ste :)
nivekp1101
nivekp1101 25th Jun 2010 22:13 - 16 years ago
I really like the piano intro, was pretty interesting how it built up, but I think something needs to be tweaked in that bass kick, it seems overpowering or something, I cant place my finger on it but it sounds out of place to me. Keep up the good work
StephenPotter
StephenPotter replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
You seem new to the site, so I'll quickly say hi, I'll check out the track you uploaded tommorow.

The bass kick is a little too overpowering, but this song is STILL a work in progress after three different uploads. Its undergone different piano sounds, different drums, different vocals (which I removed on this version because they didn't fit in), and its even switched genres a couple of times (started off as a big cluster of genres, including breakbeat, dubstep, trance, chillout and a couple of others).

Thanks for the review!

Ste :)
danbo
danbo 22nd Jun 2010 20:44 - 16 years ago
Hello, well written, even if (as I do), almost of the instruments have the same noise level. Its various. Good job !
StephenPotter
StephenPotter replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
I actually wanted to have all the instruments on the same level, so thanks for making sure I did that right :P

Thanks for the review!

Ste :)
Nosleeves
Nosleeves 20th Jun 2010 21:57 - 16 years ago
i love those paino patterns they sounded real smooth and effort less

the track has good transiton as it takes u on a journey.

when i make my music i let the samples and loops take me where thhey want to go(somtimes)but u controlled this one well and made a good track.
StephenPotter
StephenPotter replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
I know what you mean about the bottom line, I think thats sort of what I did with my track this needs vocals, but that was a long time ago.

With this song I really wanted that sort of taking the listener on a journey feeling about it like people like above and beyond are able to give to the majority of their audience. The fact that you said my song gives you that feel is great!

I will be taking out a lot of the transitions, but a lot doesnt mean all of them.

The piano took a while to get right, but once I got it, I knew I got it right.

I think I learnt a new skill when working on this track. I've been able to make it so I don't make the db meter go right to the top, but keep it at about 75% ish.

Also, this track is going to have my first serious attempt at mastering.

Thanks for the review!

Ste :)
TCBPROJECT
TCBPROJECT 19th Jun 2010 18:46 - 16 years ago
some nice sounds in here and trance would be my suggestion a few percussions hi hat clap/snare kick etc and also more use of the synth i can hear at 2.25 would be good...anyway so good so far and i look forward to what you end up doing with it ..cheers..
StephenPotter
StephenPotter replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
More synth, percussions, and vocals coming up sometime next week.

Thanks for the review!

Ste :)
FDV
FDV 17th Jun 2010 22:55 - 16 years ago
Wandering what your plans are with this track 'cause it feels finished. Having said that suddenly the synth stops playing leaving a gap behind.

Feels like there is more to this song then just this version, it could be a deep dark ambient track with a choir or some (Like Era). It also could be an (hard)trance track and proberbly a lot in between

Not so good as this but mayby my shapeshifters track could offer some inspiration
https://www.looperman.com/tracks/detail/68095

Good Luck
StephenPotter
StephenPotter replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
My plan is to actually reduce the number of breakdowns, think of more changing melodies than the continuos piano melody.

But yeah, it could have a choir in it, complicated chords are something I live for, and I think I could get a 12 note chord in here. Hard trance, I could easily get.

What I may actually do is recycle this track, start over, keep the melody, but change a lot of the sounds, except for the piano.

Ste :)
Cybertooth
Cybertooth 15th Jun 2010 06:17 - 16 years ago
i think you should keep it where it is and do an experimental or ambient electro track like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odRQ2IZaG1g
use this melody like the spacey sound is used, its an interesting style.you could also get an interesting dubstep track out of it, i could help you in the spots you have trouble with for that if you need. you could make it trancestep, ill link you a track for that if your interested

of course, this could be just hearing a sound i like and trying to apply it to styles i like more than just a little

but it might be a good idea to slow down the delay, or replace it with reverb.
StephenPotter
StephenPotter replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
I worked on the song for about 3-4 hours yesterday. It has breakbeat elements to it, trance elements... dubstep? Could be a possibility. Maybe as a bridge or a buildup. Ambient? Could be an ambient dubstep bridge :D

Thanks for the review!

Ste :)

EDIT: I stuck by the ambient dubstep bridge, the song still isn't finished yet though, so it could stay or go, I haven't decided yet :)
JoyfulWAVE
JoyfulWAVE 14th Jun 2010 21:09 - 16 years ago
slow down the tempo to about 140bpm...
then a hard pumping bassdrum...deep bassline...some chords...
boom you have a trance track...and use hihat and snare...
man...what can i say...its a bit trance feeling in it...
but now use the right components for your soup...what style of trance do you wanna make out of this little melodie ??? its your choice...but for trance..slow down the tempo a bit...its better...believe me ;) but that is just something i would like to do...you will make it :)
cheers...JW...
PS: yes...you are right...i checked it with the metronom...
then maybe slow down the tempo of the delay...
when i create a melodie..i always use a metronom or a kick to hear the flow of it when it plays together...try it :)
StephenPotter
StephenPotter replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
Believe it or not, the tempo is actually about 135 bpm in this clip, its just the way I've done it, with a note on every 3rd step, with some delay on, so it does seem faster than it is. Like I said in the email, I've only got a melody in it, if I added a four step kick drum, it would be easier to tell the BPM, and I'm actually working on this song as I type this, because if theres one thing doing homework while listening to songs on this site and from CDs has taught me to do, its multitask.

But like I said, I dont need to turn the tempo down, it isn't as fast as it seems.

Thanks for the review!

Ste :)

EDIT: I do normaly use a metronome while making a melody, but this time I decided not to, to see how it would turn out. As for the delay, I'm keeping it as it is, because any higher, FL studio starts to go laggy, and any lower and its got too many breaks in between. But yeah, I have a drumloop over the second part of this intro, and I actually have a small vocal loop in it now.
FlorinB92
FlorinB92 14th Jun 2010 20:00 - 16 years ago
Hey Step, this is very good...I like the melody, u defenetly must do Trance :X
it's very good melody for trance music, something uplfiting, dreamy trance ....
I love piano sounds to trance songs...to bad I'm not good at creating piano loops lol
StephenPotter
StephenPotter replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
I geussing that youc clicked the link from the email, yeah? I'll check out the house experiment you uploaded as a way of saying thanks :)

I know I said before it would probably be breakbeat... I'm actually wondering if I have the ability to make a breakbeat track. So I am thinking of doing a trance track, but maybe with a different drumline to what I normally do, because the four step kicks and 8 step claps are something which I haven't made myself, I'm not bieng original enough. So I might have to work on a better drumloop.
Thanks for the review!
Ste :)

Thanks for the review!
JordanDowber
JordanDowber 13th Jun 2010 22:40 - 16 years ago
This track is going places man. If you add some basic percussion and a simple bass, it'd be a banger! Good work
StephenPotter
StephenPotter replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
Thanks for the review, I am starting to go forwards with this track now, and I have got a drumset in it. As for the bass... Probably wont be that simple :P

Ste :)
Spivkurl
Spivkurl 13th Jun 2010 21:20 - 16 years ago
This has a lot of potential! You've achieved a really good sound with the effects you put on the piano! I agree that breakbeat may be the way to go with this one, but it does sound a little trancey the way it is. Nice work so far!
StephenPotter
StephenPotter replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
Recieving a comment from you means a lot to me, because you were the first person to review any of my songs, and thats not something I'm going to forget.

I think you are right, breakbeat is the path I need to go down, but it does have something of a trance song about it.

Thank you for the review :)
geeus81
geeus81 13th Jun 2010 20:47 - 16 years ago
It so far it sounds That I could be epic. The question you need to ask yourself where you want to start your rhythm and what type and what you can use to bridge it in if required. To me it sounds like it my lend itself to breakbeat than trance. The puling bass in most trance dosen't seem to work in my head. But Keep at it something will come to you.
StephenPotter
StephenPotter replied Unknown - 2028 years ago
I think I may actually edge towards breakbeat in this one actually, get the drums to overpower the ambience, which I could make from playing the last section of the piano at a lower level. Sounds like a good idea to me.
I think I might have to note down everyone, as I said on my forum post, everyone who makes a decent suggestion is going on the description even if their suggestion didn't really make it in the end.

Thanks for the review!

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