Tags : | Electronic | 4.43 MB
Description : Premonator is an original song by Spivkurl (music, voice and guitar) which you can find here https://www.looperman.com/tracks/detail/171837 Credits: Spivkurl - voice, guitar, drum samples; promenade2239 - music, synthesizers, arrangement, production. Many thanks to Spivkurl for helping me by the production matters and some great inspiration.

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  1. asidRn
    asidRn on Wed 11th Nov 2015 - 1 year ago
    finally taking a chance to listen to this track. let me try my best to give some good feedback back.

    i really love the use of one shot samples and panning in the intro. and thought the track in general.

    at 1:42, i feel the computer glitchy synth you have could have been reverbed and kept more in the background rather than so up front. I'm thinking of this synth from deadmau5's asdfghjkl when making such a suggestion: https://youtu.be/3LqsWSvnjGs?t=4m46s. hope this suggestion of mine makes sense.

    other than that, i don't know what other insightful comments i can make. there's no way i can top off the great heartfelt comment you left me... =/
    promenade2239
    Reply by promenade2239 hi man

    Thank you for listening and commenting! It is much appreciated.

    I made everything on Roland Juno Di and Microbrute so 'shot samples' as well as 'computer glitchy synth' is only myself playing/manipulating. The only other samples I used were Spiv's drums and percussions and of course the vocal and guitar stems.

    I understand your point after listening briefly to deadmaus' song - Microbrute is sounding very similar to this and definitely 'in your face'.
    I know how to produce nice warm saws and sine wave soft leads but mainly it is a very harsh sounding synth if you start manipulating it randomly. The other way around it is to use some effects as you suggested - it will definitely change/soften the color of the original signal. I haven't explored it's full possibilities yet. Few months ago I posted a track with more traditional melodic stuff recorded using that synth. It is very cool and versatile thing even as a 'midi controller' with it's fine micro keys.

    From 1:42 the mix sounds balanced to me regardless of that high pitched Microbrute layering but it is of course a personal prefference as my ears became immune to the actual harshness of the synth during the process of making this track. I do not have really good monitors but when turning the gain on each stage on my listening system up to the extreme I can still stand it even on headphones. It is very enjoyable listening experience.

    Thank you again for nice comment! Glad you liked the track.
  2. toastedavalanche
    toastedavalanche on Tue 10th Nov 2015 - 1 year ago
    There's not much I can say that hasn't already been said, but this is a brilliant track. It's quirky and captivating. A great example of when an experiment goes right. Love it.

    TA
    promenade2239
    Reply by promenade2239 Thank you! I am sorry for slow replying. I truly appreciate your nice words.

    I will play your tracks later today when I will have some more time. Till then.

    Best, Alex
  3. GoldenOokami
    GoldenOokami on Mon 9th Nov 2015 - 1 year ago
    This is really smooth and creative. The vocals sound very robotic and, in this track, it fits perfectly. The instrumentation is also creative. I know for a fact everything is in time, however I found myself searching for the time signature. Is it ever changing throughout the track? Nevertheless, thank you for sharing! Cheers to Spivkurl and Promenade!

    ~GO
    promenade2239
    Reply by promenade2239 Hello Ookami

    Thans for a nice review.

    The song is in 3/4 at 130bpm. Chord progression is FMaj-EbMaj-Dmin-EbMaj. The actual feeling of the music is
    a kind of a very slow 9/8 or moderately fast 9/4 meter because the actual rhythm grouping is 3 x 3/4. It is quite unusual approach at least when compared with what is happening in modern dance music. However, the vocals are mainly 4/4 as well as guitars - at least this is how I perceive it mostly.
    It all loops fine together because 12 bars of 3/4 are equal to 9 bars of 4/4 in length.
    I also slightly manipulated manually the time inside the daw so some sections come a little later than they should strictly mertonomically.

    I am glad you liked the song. Thanks for nice comments once again!
    Alex
  4. StaticNomad
    StaticNomad on Sun 8th Nov 2015 - 1 year ago
    Hi.

    This is definitely an unusual piece of music and I like it.

    "a combination of Air and Kraftwerk"

    makes a lot of sense to me. I don't know exactlywhy it sounds like the French group Air but it does. Maybe the autotuned/vocoded vocal. This is probably their best known song:

    Air - Sexy Boy
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_ulZiob5I0

    I also completely agree with "a good mix of the organic and the electronic".

    Early guitar parts are quite raw and acoustic - an interesting juxtaposition with the far out synth sounds.

    First vocal is quite catchy and I can hear some simple piano chords in the background, which add a different mood.

    1:41 now a stronger beat and some other weird synth noises. Everything is coming together really well.

    2:15 lots of space and really quite a relaxed feel now. Some nice guitar harmonics a little later.

    Overall: a very interesting, unusual and creative piece of work.
    promenade2239
    Reply by promenade2239 Hi

    Thanks for listening and positive words!

    Yes, it is quite unusual piece. I am glad that you liked it!
    Those 'organic' sounds are on one of the Roland basslines. I used a bass sound that has some other
    delayed additional sounds but as I worked quite fast
    I decided to keep them anyway. Basically I operated only
    with Roland presets, not on it's patch level inside the sound editor. Also some of Microbrute sounds are
    quite organic - probably because of the analog nature of the synth and some characteristics of it's filter.
    There are 30 tracks here so there is a lot of layering and there is a lot happening in the 'mix'. With vocals, for example, there are at least 5 tracks with different settings for effects which is my way for
    creating a sense of depth to the audio I am working with.

    Few months ago I started recording real instruments (church organs mainly) using microphones and
    I always preffered a 'raw' acoustic sound to the artificially generated. The same regarding instruments.
    Of course in this version of Premonator the mix of different stylistical influences is indeed quite weird because I was trying to stick with given audio materials as close as possible and using Spiv's drum samples I mainly 'jammed' on my synths. There is a church 'positive' organ even and of course acoustic piano, string pads, some brass growl lead-ins, few different basslined and several fills.
    The 'outro synth' on the left channel is just some real time LFO synth manipulation. Recording this particular way
    (I mean: 'live') is fun but I had to make also many adjustments afterwards because the actual idea was to have a kind of a 'proper song' that should also be expressive somehow in a traditional way. The meter is 3/4 but the rhythm grouping is quite unusual
    (I tried to explain this in my reply to Ookami somehow).

    Thanks for reminding me of Air and for the link to this particular song, I really like chilled sounds like this.

    Honestly I didn't really expect such positive looperman feedback considering quite experimental content inside this song so it's really a nice surprise and now I can appreciate the effort that we put into creating this unusual collab project better.

    Many thanks for a nice review and also for detailed reply to my comment.
  5. SeriouslyJoking
    SeriouslyJoking on Sun 8th Nov 2015 - 1 year ago
    Hi again Alex!
    This is so different in a very good way. Hypnotic use of Spivs vocal and all the creativiness with the instrumental. Beatiful guitar and atmosphere!
    Loved it!

    Take care/ SJ =)
    promenade2239
    Reply by promenade2239 Hello SJ
    Thank you for listening and your nice words!
    It is much appreciated.

    Our musical styles and visions are definitely very different so the result was unpredictable. I was trying to make a kind of a 'proper' song out of the given material - this is one of the final versions from many sketches I came up with when working on 'Premonator' project.
    I think the 'original' one will be eventually posted as well sometime.

    I am really happy you liked it! Thanks again for taking a listen. All the best to you,
    Alex
  6. ShortBusMusic
    ShortBusMusic on Tue 3rd Nov 2015 - 1 year ago
    Alex, I think Steve hit the proverbial nail on the head when he called this one brilliant. You really are not only highly skilled, but your execution is absolutely flawless. Very few people could have taken Pat's work and then morphed it into something this different and something this good.

    Outstanding effort by both of you. Really incredible work Alex. You have my utmost respect. I hope all is well.

    Bear
    promenade2239
    Reply by promenade2239 Thank you so much Bear for the compliments!

    I am still learning how to record real instruments (church organs) which is a part of my work as a restorer of historical monuments here in Poland. Also there is some amount of piano music I really want to capture, mostly classical.
    Producing and recording using daw is different as it is for me more about the artificial manipulation (I mean creating musical 'illusions') than playing everything 'live' honestly. I am not that much active as a performer/keyboardist currently but there are another ways in which I can still somehow continue music-making. I will definitely return to playing at some point and maybe will upload more live recorded music on looperman then as well.

    We put much energy to make "Premonator' project happen and I am glad that Spiv allowed me to publish this particular version of the song. Thank you for your support and your nice words on this unconventional composition. I much appreciate that.

    Best to you, Alex
  7. FrozenStick
    FrozenStick on Sun 1st Nov 2015 - 1 year ago
    It's kinda cool.It's like I'm talking to a robot cloud thing,and bees.
    promenade2239
    Reply by promenade2239 hello Frozen. thanks for listening and your nice review! All those strange insect and as others say 'organic'
    sounds are basically made using Microbrute synthesizer. There is some manual LFO manipulation and
    sequencer running at a fast rate. 'Robot' is autotune effect on vocals (I used 'KeroVee' plugin).
    I am glad you liked the track. Till next time, A.
  8. joecramer
    joecramer on Sun 1st Nov 2015 - 1 year ago
    Cool thing!

    Sounds abit like a combination of Air and Kraftwerk
    Two bands i realy like.

    All sounds very easy and dreamy and at the same time very electronic and mercyless clear.

    Good work Alex.
    Excelent colab

    stay tuned
    joe
    promenade2239
    Reply by promenade2239 hello Joe
    Thank you for listening and your continous support! .

    I am sorry for the late reply.

    Yes, it is a kind of musical experiment and actually I am far away from the sound-image of the original. I 'autotuned' Spivkurl's vocals - all the rest (except drums and percussions) are my synths. I still need more time to use them fully and creatively - so far the possibilities to shape the sound are impressive even by playing with presets.
    It is really nice you mentioned Air because I really like their 'Moon Safari' album; as for the Kraftwerk I must say I know only some single songs - 'The Model' and others but it is of course very classic band. I am happy that you pointed some connections eventhough I've tried to create everything almost entirely from scratch and didn't really chase for any particular style at least consciously haha

    I am really glad you liked the song. Thanks once again for your nice words!
    Best to you, Alex
  9. MagneticRecords
    MagneticRecords on Sun 1st Nov 2015 - 1 year ago
    Hi. What can I say? The Song is great. I love it.
    promenade2239
    Reply by promenade2239 hello. Thank you for your nice words! I am really happy you liked the song. Alex
  10. Christk
    Christk on Sun 1st Nov 2015 - 1 year ago
    Good morning, Alex!
    Special, strange, modeled on Spivkurl, with great inspiration, possible executions, fantastic fx and wonderful mix! Professional
    result!
    Bravo my friend!
    promenade2239
    Reply by promenade2239 Hello Chris!
    Thank you so much for listening and nice words!

    Sorry for a delay in replying.
    This track is a result of the work with Spivkurl on developing 3 quite simple ideas, it was a really inspiring process for me.
    My version of this particular song is very different from that basic, initial idea created few months ago. I changed the melody and Spivkurl's voice was artificially tuned.
    I entirely re-arranged the structure using only vocal, guitar and drums.
    This is under 'electronic' label mostly because of the electro inspiration I had from Spivkurl but of course there are many other stylistical influences including classical music even (I used church organ sound).


    It makes me really happy that you liked my unusual recording! I much appreciate your nice comment.

    Best to you, Alex
  11. crucethus
    crucethus on Sat 31st Oct 2015 - 1 year ago
    What you have done makes me want to remix this. a good mix of the organic and the electronic. nothing short of brilliant Alex.
    Steve
    promenade2239
    Reply by promenade2239 Thank you so much Steve!

    There were many versions - now I want to make an retrograde update and post one of those less organic. No problem with remixing at all.

    I will post more electronic tracks for sure somwhere in the near future.

    Thank you for good words! I am really happy you liked what I did.
    Alex
  12. Orlando51
    Orlando51 on Sat 31st Oct 2015 - 1 year ago
    Very uniue and creative I must say, but that's no wonder when two talented artist like you and Spiv join their strenghts! Big compliments to both od you!

    With admiration and respect_____Orlando
    promenade2239
    Reply by promenade2239 hello Orlando

    thank you for all kind words and adding this one to your favourites. It is much appreciated!

    Alex
  13. ReonN
    ReonN on Sat 31st Oct 2015 - 1 year ago
    Hmmm... it really is interesting to hear this kind of track. Very unique synths that I've heard from this track. There's a story in the track you've made, that's all I can say XD. Btw, good job :)

    -ReonN
    promenade2239
    Reply by promenade2239 hello ReonN

    thank you for listening and your comment! Synths were Roland and Microbrute. It is nice that you experienced this composition of sounds being narrative.

    Thanks again!
    Alex
  14. Tumbleweed
    Tumbleweed on Fri 30th Oct 2015 - 1 year ago
    I hear the thought you put into the composition Alex...makes for a very interesting listen...quite unusual synth sounds (something I would expect when you and Spiv get together)...I don`t like using the work cool...but it is indeed a very cool mix and a great listen...I am reminded that good ondie music isn`t on the radio...its on LM and sites that support real creativity.....great job bu you and Spiv.....Ed
    promenade2239
    Reply by promenade2239 hello Ed

    Thank you for listening and kind comment!

    Actually all the synths on the track are mine - Spiv helped me alot to record them properly.
    Those unusual sounds are programmed sequences from Arturia Microbrute played at a high rate.
    I think the 'Premonator' will still evolve and the other version will be posted sometime.

    Regarding to the radio... basically I've tried what I can on the level of composition and arrangement but still there is so much I can do to adjust my recordings to the modern standards. They are usually much quiter. This might become important when playing tracks as a list/set or as an album. So far my focus is on the single tracks in different styles as it somehow fits Looperman nature very well so the lack of mastering is not the problem.
    Our styles are indeed quite different but recently I've started experimenting with real synthesizers. Also I want to get more of them in the near future so I will definitely be continuing the 'process'.

    I am glad that you enjoyed our efforts. Thanks again!
    Alex
  15. mrwolf14
    mrwolf14 on Fri 30th Oct 2015 - 1 year ago
    Hi Alex,
    This is a beautiful, sad and reflective song.
    I like a lot the "creative vocals" from Pat and I have to say that your more "traditional" synth sounds create a wonderful contrast. I mean, the "e-piano" sound you used really gives this song a good vibe.
    Liked it ... seriously liked it!
    Ciao, Domenico
    promenade2239
    Reply by promenade2239 Hello Domenico!

    Good to see you again.

    Thank you so much for your kind comment, I truly appreciate your support.

    I must say that I totally transformed the original 'Premonator' to something entirely new but I didn't expect it will turn into something like that as I worked with given material experimenting a lot, I mean: there is an autotune hard processing on vocals and my arrangement is very different from Spivkurl's version (it will be published at some point if the future as well!). I am still learning how to record real synthesizers (I've used Roland JunoDi and Arturia Microbrute exclusively for creating all instrumental parts of this song). I didn't actually use any of 'epiano' sounds but a combination of acoustic piano and string pad. For now I am still by presets but I think I should find more time to create my own patches soon. I will be definitely expanding my synth sound in the future.

    I am happy you liked the song. Thank you again.

    Best, Alex

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