is very hypnotic..could you work on the dynamics and the stereo separation a bit. I think then you will have a very interesting track to present. don't give up on this one it has potential!
You truly went to the Brian Eno school of music. the space in between the notes are filled with exquisite sounds of dis-harmony and discord that make this piece so great!
Steve
Very creative and I liked it. Keep the reverse cymbals at there volume they are just fine, someone else is just cranky about reverse cymbals..ehh? I agree though the beginning is lacking something, but the end becomes more ethereal. Will have to listen a few more times to give a greater detailed summation!
Ciao
Steve
Hello Steve!
Haha the war of the reversed cymbals, yes I like them this way too.
I changed the intro a bit (redid this a week ago, just late with all the replys) and maybe it's a bit better now.
Thanks for listening!
This is a brilliant song. unfortunately the time has passed the music world (pop) for this style of ballad. I loved it..but I am older and love these types of songs from the late eighties. I miss this style of song-writing so I am glad someone like you keeps the flame alive! And maybe some day it comes back in vogue and you can make some $ and have some fame.
great job:
Steve
Nice intro. sense of foreboding. Then a nice funky beat. good build. Sinister feel with the minor chords. Perfect fit when the vox comes in. I agree with ed the guitars at 1:33 are great. I was thinking that maybe the vox could have more of a stereo echo to them since this a dance tune? just a thought. Though nice stereo delay on his held vocal note. The music is spot on and I am tres impressed. Love the Phased pad at 3:25. This is just a really good song. I really liked this one Steve.
Steve
Hi Steve...I did start out with echo on the vox but then I wanted to have the echo stand out on the held notes so I dropped it. I could try it using two echo units with one cutting in and the other out when needed? Might try that. Vocals make the song in this one as they are so strong and well pitched. Glad you liked it!
Regards
Steve
Not quite what I was expecting from jungle (the UK hip hop like sound) but more a literal interpretation of the jungle. Keep working on it, it sounds interesting. Neal makes excellent loops.
i am sure you are right on 'jungle' It was self-serving using it I suppose. there is always more to do with these tracks. it was a good second effort for me with FL Studio, my new DAW. also made some progress in working from the picture back to the music and coming up with something closer to what I was hearing in my head. really appreciate your stopping by. now on to your tracks! peace
"Yo. I was actually going to send you a PM drawing your attention to Maffin's wonderful review. Not good because he likes the track but because of how he expresses it and the empathy with issues I struggle with when making it and others.
And he even asked for it to be longer - first time anyone's done that.
You now have to think when commenting on my stuff "Is that review as good as Maffin's Low Key Love review?" If not, you need to make it better, which doesn't necessarily mean adding more Latin!"
Ah well I appreciate a good review and it's refreshing to see someone contribute like that..for me it's not a competition. As I get older I realize that I am not competing against others but against myself.
"I'm not sure what the British blend is that I bring to Americana Appalachian blues. Don't know if any of my music sound 'British' (maybe you only say it cos you know I'm English)."
It's not because your English. I really like English musicians interpretation of American music styles. it's different and unique and it has it's own character.
Take Punk for example. Born and invented in the early seventies in NYC..(Ramones, NY Dolls) The British just took it too another level. All the great bands like Zeppelin, and the Stones, looked at the delta blues and added there twist on it. One of my fav's Bryan Ferry was trying to sound like Otis Redding..does he..well no, he adopted some of the glottal sounds of Otis, but his northern background and sensibilities made it sound unique. You my friend are unique in your interpretation of Appalachian blues and delta blues with your guitar and bass structures. That's what makes it fun. I can think of no one who sounds like you in the states. No one.
"I bet you like a good mashup as that's a glimpse at what two or more good artists could have made if they had got together.
Wax Audio is my fave mashup guy. He has 3 great free albums, containing wittily-titled gems such as this:"
I have all 3 albums..love his work!
Really liked "Judas" with Priest and Gaga..
There is a great Mashup with the Beatles Tax Man, the Surfaris' Wipe out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYDK2yXE0yU, and the Batman Theme that is just awesome
Later
MT, Faux G ,Crucethus, Steven the third incarnation of ...Sai Baba (I just pulled that one out of the air).His Majesty the jubilant and petulant and not bald in any way (thanks genes)Steven the 10th.
"I appreciate a good review and it's refreshing to see someone contribute like that..for me it's not a competition"
Sorry if I made it seem like a competitive thiang. Not my intention. Once you hit that 'post reply' button, it's gone! I was trying to say that Maffin's words kind of set a new standard in commenting, though you've done loads of good ones too, no doubt.
"I can think of no one who sounds like you in the states."
I agree and probably it's because of all the additional instrumentation aside from guitar. Not many people into delta blues seem to like combining it with psychedelic, electronic stuff. Most people into it seem quite traditional and conservative.
I'm not sure my actual blues guitar playing is unlike anyone else (in the US or elsewhere). That seems unlikely as I'm just not that good and don't play very often. I do play live solo delta blues stuff at open mic type events (but it bores me so don't really do it anymore) but all my recorded tracks add so much more as I love all the electro stuff too.
My resonator guitar is not a good enough quality one to present in a track naked and uneffected. And I think solo delta blues stuff is pretty boring unless you're a real virtuoso. Or have vocals. I'll do some sparser delta blues one day.
The most interesting delta blues guy I know of is Harry Manx, who inspired me to play banjo. Stunning slide player who is unique because he also plays a mohan veena, a rare instrument that is a cross between guitar and sitar, all played with a bar (slide). I want one but you can't buy them in the UK.
Stunning singer too and I'm going to see him live in a few weeks in London.
Wax Audio kick arse/ass. He loves Judas Priest (the Gaga one is good) and Iron Maiden though I'm not into either of them.
Blue Jump is one of my favourites of his. I'm a big Tears For Fears fan. Shout is one of the greatest pop songs ever!
"you open so many routes through the forest".
Might be the best allegorical phrase ever uttered on this site so kudos to Maffin.
I am now listening to this track on headphones, which is not something I normally do. It has a more emotional feel to me this way to listen like this. Still gives me the feeling of live. But I see Maffin's point about the drums and quantizing. Have you considered working with a live drummer?
On Headphones the bass at 6:14 is amazing esp. in contrast with the guitar and then the piano comes in..my fav part. kind of a bluesy piano and not a grand piano but just a lazy upright you might find in a school..that's what I love about the piano. There is a kind of sentimentality in this tune that I missed the first time around. I think I understand why you named it as such..now. What's weird is you have such a twisted and (good) sensibility of Americana Appalachian blues with such a unique British blend it's uncanny and differently pleasant to listen too.
Major Tom!!!
Yo. I was actually going to send you a PM drawing your attention to Maffin's wonderful review. Not good because he likes the track but because of how he expresses it and the empathy with issues I struggle with when making it and others.
And he even asked for it to be longer - first time anyone's done that.
You now have to think when commenting on my stuff "Is that review as good as Maffin's Low Key Love review?" If not, you need to make it better, which doesn't necessarily mean adding more Latin!
Anyway, the track:
6:07 bass sounds a little different cos of the cool, tom-driven jazz drum groove I drop into. That inspired the swinging guitar there.
And then that high, tinkly piano, which is one of my very favourite things in this.
Yes, bit like an upright and with some playing that makes me think of old, cool, winging jazz like Cab Calloway or someone. I don't actually listen to any of that but was reminded of it the other day when re-watching The Mask feat. Jim Carrey.
There are two pianos in this, with the second coming on 7:04.
This title is, unintentionally, a triple entendre. There's meaning 1, about my more subtle, less ostentatious love for someone, number 2 could be about Norse God Loki and 3 suits the track really well - love for a low musical key (low D). Coincidence that the track is all based around a low key bass part. So, it's a perfect title, though my only intended meaning was number 1.
I'm not sure what the British blend is that I bring to Americana Appalachian blues. Don't know if any of my music sound 'British' (maybe you only say it cos you know I'm English).
I try not to sound like anyone else and not to think too much about other music I like when making my own. I think only about the sounds and where I can take them to make something I've never heard and which I haven't yet heard as I'm always inventing genres in my head.
I can't do all of the stuff I make up as I don't play enough of the instruments and probably don't have the ability. So, I just do what I can, which is still quite a lot.
So much blues bores me but I'm so influenced by the sound of the slide and genuinely think I put it into musical contexts that other people haven't before eg in this track. There's not much slide bass at all, apart from Mark Sandman though his band Morphine didn't actually play jazz. And they had no piano and didn't kick into psychedelic slide rock.
I'm also trying to make some of the music I wish other people had.
I bet you like a good mashup as that's a glimpse at what two or more good artists could have made if they had got together.
Wax Audio is my fave mashup guy. He has 3 great free albums, containing wittily-titled gems such as this:
So As I listen again for a proper review. I like the semi break beat sound. The guitars have an 1989 sound, the mixing up of the beats is cool... The piano at 1:06 is nice. then some arps and some side chained pads and back to cool square wave arps with massive snare beats. nice verb effects at around 2:00, cool distortion at 2:28 works nicely with the arps. 2:54 gives us an ATB like glissando effect fading into a nice sidechained ending. It's really too short of a piece as I
was just getting into it at this point.
good work Mark
Steve
A really big thanks for giving this a listen again and for your comprehensive and much appreciated comments. I take your point about the length of the track and generally I have tried to keep my tracks between 3-4 minutes (the really early ones were shorter) but I agree this one should be longer. something for me to think about for future tracks. thanks again Steve for your valued opinion.
So I just listened to this FINAL version. I never got a chance to hear the original as you pulled yesterday. I really like this. It's dissonant and atonal in some parts and that sounds awesome to my ears. I think it's perfect and I wouldn't change a thing. the levels of piano are perfect, the synth washes in the beginning and gently spread out throughout the mix are nice. I just had my wife listen as well and she was impressed too. Your developing an ear for the dissonant and in-congruent in music and it's making your musical choice sound more and more sophisticated each song you produce. But in this it's also the less is more approach in the beginning that makes this interesting. well done bravo.
some examples of this style of music...the opening 1:12 of "Ladytron" Roxy Music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cTJKb6xuhA
"Newtown" Bryan Ferry Which Bryan ferry had rumbling around in his head for like 10 years before recording it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLC6XFXMubM
"Ghosts" Japan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zzLU1ato2w
"I believe in you" Talk Talk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHUDNZD5N88
Steve
Thank you Steve!!
Really nice to read this, I don't think you missed much having not heard the first version - I only added some piano (after the encouraging words from Ed) and repitched some of the guitar/bass and flute sounds. Oh, and added some percussion in the very poor first drum line in the beginning (thanks to Behnam! ;)). And took away some of Kyle's vocal. Hey...that maybe was a bunch of things in the end anyway.
That track from Talk Talk - now I'm stuck! I 've been listening to it over and over and over again since yesterday, don't Think I ever heard that one before. What a tune!
My music is nothing like that but I'm hearing some minor similarity with those songs from Brian Ferry though.
Say hello and thanks for the listen to your wife too and have a good day!
/SJ =)
Excellent job. I was thinking about one of Ed's comments about listening to Sade and I was thinking about there song "Cherish the day" what I love about that song is that the bass drops in the second verse. I think that’s what this tune needs. a cool moving bassline from the second verse forward. I love how the percussion in the beginning fools the listener into thinking that song will be something else and then you bring in the mellow 7th chord pads that make this song sweet. Great job
Steve
Love the trance work..the complextro side is well done as well. My only suggestion is the reverse cymbal lead in could be made a little more interesting to keep the flow of the seperate sections.
Ok so I finally figured out something for this piece. https://www.looperman.com/tracks/detail/153099
La Chant De La Solitude.
It's sort of trippy and very different from what I thought I wanted to do, but that’s creativity. I may also do a simpler version with just piano and make it sound lonelier.
I am interested in Bears rendition as he is a great musician on this site, we have a great respect for each others work.
ciao
Steve
thank you Steve .
i can't wait to hear what you've done.
sorry for delay .
i'm going to listen track.
yes , Bear is one of greatest musicians here.
and one of my fav composers beside you , Behnam
and Tumbleweed .
nice to see your underestanding and prof attitude and respect for him .
i really appreciate you .
*Cindy*
I agree with Johnny it needs some vocals. a good background singer singing ethereally and a good strong lead male vox
Good song otherwise.
This might make you laugh about pop songs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCVGpvzcHko
Steve
Thanks Steve! That video was really funny and mentioned some very interesting points! Pop music has changed and i think it will continue to change over the next couple of decades.
Hopefully it turns into something that will be inspirational and we as musicians can be proud of. If it continues down it's current spiral, music will eventually become a has been thing.
on the enormous cost of unchecked ambition by drmistersir
on - Domain of Thorns - by Anubis
Steve
I am very grateful for your words man...
I can only thank you.
peace
on Psychedelic Erotica by JJWeekz
on Time Passage by Orlando51
Steve
Cheers____Orlando
on Easy Riders - on hold mix Larry Wiggles aka Mark J by larrywiggles1
regards
Steve
thanks for listening and glad we hit the right note with you with this fun track. Thanks again Steve.
Best wishes,
Mark/Larry!
on That Special Someone Ft Thasuspect1 KnowKontroll by SeriouslyJoking
Ciao
Steve
Haha the war of the reversed cymbals, yes I like them this way too.
I changed the intro a bit (redid this a week ago, just late with all the replys) and maybe it's a bit better now.
Thanks for listening!
on Angels by BearAustin
great job:
Steve
on Manouche Pajammin Party by ScottB55
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2LhVazAFGY&html5=1
Bryan Ferry doing his Roxy Music Classic Love is the drug in 30's jazz..enjoy!
Cheers,
Scott
on How We Met ft Steklo by srbrown7
Steve
Regards
Steve
on African lion by DanGoldstein
on Dwarfts singing by ElenaSatine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apnRojgtmXs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7hHx7gdN68
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NvgLkuEtkA&html5=1
for a start!
your review is so nice to me .
i really appreciate your words and links too.
a big thanks .
Elena
on Circles Of Life PREVIEW by Sevenola
on UPDATE Feeling Good Nina Simone Remix by SeriouslyJoking
nice work.
keep at it.
Steve
Yes I need to listen and remix this without headphones, Simones vocal is a bit hard to bring forward without loosing her special sound.
To be continued...
=)
/ SJ
on DILIGENCE by chreestofurr
on Soothing Sea Larry Wiggles aka Mark Jeffries by larrywiggles1
Thanks for listening and so pleased we could help you unwind!
Take care and speak soon,
Mark/Larry!
on Low Key Love by StaticNomad
And he even asked for it to be longer - first time anyone's done that.
You now have to think when commenting on my stuff "Is that review as good as Maffin's Low Key Love review?" If not, you need to make it better, which doesn't necessarily mean adding more Latin!"
Ah well I appreciate a good review and it's refreshing to see someone contribute like that..for me it's not a competition. As I get older I realize that I am not competing against others but against myself.
"I'm not sure what the British blend is that I bring to Americana Appalachian blues. Don't know if any of my music sound 'British' (maybe you only say it cos you know I'm English)."
It's not because your English. I really like English musicians interpretation of American music styles. it's different and unique and it has it's own character.
Take Punk for example. Born and invented in the early seventies in NYC..(Ramones, NY Dolls) The British just took it too another level. All the great bands like Zeppelin, and the Stones, looked at the delta blues and added there twist on it. One of my fav's Bryan Ferry was trying to sound like Otis Redding..does he..well no, he adopted some of the glottal sounds of Otis, but his northern background and sensibilities made it sound unique. You my friend are unique in your interpretation of Appalachian blues and delta blues with your guitar and bass structures. That's what makes it fun. I can think of no one who sounds like you in the states. No one.
"I bet you like a good mashup as that's a glimpse at what two or more good artists could have made if they had got together.
Wax Audio is my fave mashup guy. He has 3 great free albums, containing wittily-titled gems such as this:"
I have all 3 albums..love his work!
Really liked "Judas" with Priest and Gaga..
There is a great Mashup with the Beatles Tax Man, the Surfaris' Wipe out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYDK2yXE0yU, and the Batman Theme that is just awesome
Later
MT, Faux G ,Crucethus, Steven the third incarnation of ...Sai Baba (I just pulled that one out of the air).His Majesty the jubilant and petulant and not bald in any way (thanks genes)Steven the 10th.
Sorry if I made it seem like a competitive thiang. Not my intention. Once you hit that 'post reply' button, it's gone! I was trying to say that Maffin's words kind of set a new standard in commenting, though you've done loads of good ones too, no doubt.
"I can think of no one who sounds like you in the states."
I agree and probably it's because of all the additional instrumentation aside from guitar. Not many people into delta blues seem to like combining it with psychedelic, electronic stuff. Most people into it seem quite traditional and conservative.
I'm not sure my actual blues guitar playing is unlike anyone else (in the US or elsewhere). That seems unlikely as I'm just not that good and don't play very often. I do play live solo delta blues stuff at open mic type events (but it bores me so don't really do it anymore) but all my recorded tracks add so much more as I love all the electro stuff too.
My resonator guitar is not a good enough quality one to present in a track naked and uneffected. And I think solo delta blues stuff is pretty boring unless you're a real virtuoso. Or have vocals. I'll do some sparser delta blues one day.
The most interesting delta blues guy I know of is Harry Manx, who inspired me to play banjo. Stunning slide player who is unique because he also plays a mohan veena, a rare instrument that is a cross between guitar and sitar, all played with a bar (slide). I want one but you can't buy them in the UK.
Stunning singer too and I'm going to see him live in a few weeks in London.
Wax Audio kick arse/ass. He loves Judas Priest (the Gaga one is good) and Iron Maiden though I'm not into either of them.
Blue Jump is one of my favourites of his. I'm a big Tears For Fears fan. Shout is one of the greatest pop songs ever!
Take care, Non-Bald Faux G.
on Low Key Love by StaticNomad
Might be the best allegorical phrase ever uttered on this site so kudos to Maffin.
I am now listening to this track on headphones, which is not something I normally do. It has a more emotional feel to me this way to listen like this. Still gives me the feeling of live. But I see Maffin's point about the drums and quantizing. Have you considered working with a live drummer?
On Headphones the bass at 6:14 is amazing esp. in contrast with the guitar and then the piano comes in..my fav part. kind of a bluesy piano and not a grand piano but just a lazy upright you might find in a school..that's what I love about the piano. There is a kind of sentimentality in this tune that I missed the first time around. I think I understand why you named it as such..now. What's weird is you have such a twisted and (good) sensibility of Americana Appalachian blues with such a unique British blend it's uncanny and differently pleasant to listen too.
Major Tom!!!
And he even asked for it to be longer - first time anyone's done that.
You now have to think when commenting on my stuff "Is that review as good as Maffin's Low Key Love review?" If not, you need to make it better, which doesn't necessarily mean adding more Latin!
Anyway, the track:
6:07 bass sounds a little different cos of the cool, tom-driven jazz drum groove I drop into. That inspired the swinging guitar there.
And then that high, tinkly piano, which is one of my very favourite things in this.
Yes, bit like an upright and with some playing that makes me think of old, cool, winging jazz like Cab Calloway or someone. I don't actually listen to any of that but was reminded of it the other day when re-watching The Mask feat. Jim Carrey.
There are two pianos in this, with the second coming on 7:04.
This title is, unintentionally, a triple entendre. There's meaning 1, about my more subtle, less ostentatious love for someone, number 2 could be about Norse God Loki and 3 suits the track really well - love for a low musical key (low D). Coincidence that the track is all based around a low key bass part. So, it's a perfect title, though my only intended meaning was number 1.
I'm not sure what the British blend is that I bring to Americana Appalachian blues. Don't know if any of my music sound 'British' (maybe you only say it cos you know I'm English).
I try not to sound like anyone else and not to think too much about other music I like when making my own. I think only about the sounds and where I can take them to make something I've never heard and which I haven't yet heard as I'm always inventing genres in my head.
I can't do all of the stuff I make up as I don't play enough of the instruments and probably don't have the ability. So, I just do what I can, which is still quite a lot.
So much blues bores me but I'm so influenced by the sound of the slide and genuinely think I put it into musical contexts that other people haven't before eg in this track. There's not much slide bass at all, apart from Mark Sandman though his band Morphine didn't actually play jazz. And they had no piano and didn't kick into psychedelic slide rock.
I'm also trying to make some of the music I wish other people had.
I bet you like a good mashup as that's a glimpse at what two or more good artists could have made if they had got together.
Wax Audio is my fave mashup guy. He has 3 great free albums, containing wittily-titled gems such as this:
Golden Teardrops
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GtzaV3Tkk0
Interview with the guy
http://jesterjaymusic.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/interview-with-tom-campagnoni-wax-audio.html
on sang av ensomhet by Prelude
https://www.looperman.com/tracks/detail/153191
thank you again Steve .
on Flaming - Spivkurl - Extraball Remix by Diskonnect
on Precious Moments - Larry Wiggles aka Mark Jeffries by larrywiggles1
was just getting into it at this point.
good work Mark
Steve
A really big thanks for giving this a listen again and for your comprehensive and much appreciated comments. I take your point about the length of the track and generally I have tried to keep my tracks between 3-4 minutes (the really early ones were shorter) but I agree this one should be longer. something for me to think about for future tracks. thanks again Steve for your valued opinion.
Very best wishes,
Mark/Larry!
on Apocalypse Ft ImproveWithError and TaraToxic by SeriouslyJoking
some examples of this style of music...the opening 1:12 of "Ladytron" Roxy Music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cTJKb6xuhA
"Newtown" Bryan Ferry Which Bryan ferry had rumbling around in his head for like 10 years before recording it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLC6XFXMubM
"Ghosts" Japan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zzLU1ato2w
"I believe in you" Talk Talk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHUDNZD5N88
Steve
Really nice to read this, I don't think you missed much having not heard the first version - I only added some piano (after the encouraging words from Ed) and repitched some of the guitar/bass and flute sounds. Oh, and added some percussion in the very poor first drum line in the beginning (thanks to Behnam! ;)). And took away some of Kyle's vocal. Hey...that maybe was a bunch of things in the end anyway.
That track from Talk Talk - now I'm stuck! I 've been listening to it over and over and over again since yesterday, don't Think I ever heard that one before. What a tune!
My music is nothing like that but I'm hearing some minor similarity with those songs from Brian Ferry though.
Say hello and thanks for the listen to your wife too and have a good day!
/SJ =)
on Say What You Will About Me by Darkreine
Steve
K;)
on I Miss You by alexisescalona
on sang av ensomhet by Prelude
https://www.looperman.com/tracks/detail/153099
La Chant De La Solitude.
It's sort of trippy and very different from what I thought I wanted to do, but that’s creativity. I may also do a simpler version with just piano and make it sound lonelier.
I am interested in Bears rendition as he is a great musician on this site, we have a great respect for each others work.
ciao
Steve
i can't wait to hear what you've done.
sorry for delay .
i'm going to listen track.
yes , Bear is one of greatest musicians here.
and one of my fav composers beside you , Behnam
and Tumbleweed .
nice to see your underestanding and prof attitude and respect for him .
i really appreciate you .
*Cindy*
on Modnex - I wish by Modnex
Good song otherwise.
This might make you laugh about pop songs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCVGpvzcHko
Steve
Hopefully it turns into something that will be inspirational and we as musicians can be proud of. If it continues down it's current spiral, music will eventually become a has been thing.