oh Steve I got thrilled to see your fav sign for this!
:)
i reallize this is not amazing composition for
musicians like you and your friends but a huge
appreciation for support.
:)
what about that first one ?
I really can't wait to hear your version about that .
thank you very much for stopping by and feedback.
it's really good to know you have liked this one too.
thank you again .
Bravo. This is definitely not drum & Bass. It should be in Pop or electronica, but that aside you did a brilliant job in making this tune. I am so pleased to listen to this as I can hear all the thought and planning you did to make this match with Patricia's voice and you did a wonderful job at that. So good...
Steve
You definitely captured the feel of tribal around 1999 with this song. I could hear Junior , Vic or Peter (RIP) , Maybe Danny, spinning this tune in there respective former clubs.
Bravo, I love how you arranged this. I agree with you about the mastering part, but the composition and arrangement is brilliant and you have made this jazz singer fit brilliantly in this electro-world you created. Plus it has this sinister edge that I like to listen to in songs complete with some cool harmonics . great stuff!
Steve
Hey Thanks Steve!
Somehow funny to manage to create something worth listening too by almost an accident...
As I wrote to Behnam this was mainly for practising on how to use FL guitar sounds (and they are very modest here! =D ).
I also intended to create an instrumental for a new friend of mine who is a vocalist but it didn't turn out the way I intended so I used the pella from Nina Simone instead.
Well, glad to hear you liked it, now I have two fun projects to work on, this and the Devyn Rose-remix.
You have captured an era of disco after it went back underground around 1980-81 and reinvented itself as house music. The bass line reminds me of the groove from a Dj saved my life. cool tune
Steve
I love seeing 2 members of looper-man touching each other with there musical abilities. Your violin is haunting and I love the dissonant layers you add. Ed is a consummate musician and you could choose no better than than him to add to his beautiful melodic compositions. Kudos to both of you
Steve
Thx alot Steve! I think I'm simply plugged in Ed's way of musical thinking, which is pretty rare situation in my life. A precious coincidence I would say:)
hey you. so this is what I meant musically https://www.looperman.com/tracks/detail/152484
and even I think I could do more with the percussion on this mix as well.
go figure
Steve
(Mutt Lange..famous producer (shania twain-Def Leppard, ACDC) has a most famous quote for his artists he produced....do it again!)
good start nice bass drops good mastering nice sounding vocals. Like the house bass beat but you need to build on that beat with high hats and snares. Go back and listen to Danny Tenaglia and how he builds his house beat.3:05 on is very eclectic nice bass run...it's getting better each mix.
keep at it. The only additions I can think of are percussive at this point.
Steve
Now you are just killing me, Steve!
No - seriously, I have to take a break from this tune but am coming back to fix those drums. Thank you so much for guidance. You are a great mentor!!
/SJ
It was a good track but I agree with Larry/mark that the bass is too overpowering for a house tune. It's like you wanted to add some elements of Bro-step into the mix and it doesn't work. I do agree with you that simple can be good...less is more is the old saying.
Steve
I like some of the auto tune elements, but get rid of them at 1:45 on and keep the mix clean there. Also Maybe a defined chorus somewhere, all in all it has good potential as a song. I agree with the others about the mixing and volumes but i understand this is a rough mix. Look forward to hearing the progress on this one!
Ciao
Steve
Hi Steve,
Your comments and those of the others so far are the reason why looperman is so refreshing, I had really stalled with this one and decided to put it up for critique and valued opinions, which I really appreciate. I am very disappointed with the sound quality though...the final take will be better!! thanks for you time and valued comments.
All the very best,
Mark/Larry!
Well then; I think you answered one of your own questions.
"It seems my brain loves everything I listen to more than a hundred times - which you Always do while creating a new track. So how do I know my brain isn't telling me bogus"...
"Listening to this today after a nights break...."
The key is sometimes you have to take a break or your ears (brain) becomes overwhelmed with sensory input and you don't hear the song correctly any more. It happens to all of us and the good musicians and producers know that they have to take a break from it. The song Tension of Seduction that I just recently put up is a perfect example. The original is like 9:30 long and has cool ideas but they don't sound perfect. So making a whole new shorter version I was able to make it sound the way I wanted.
So a break down of this song in a way I might want to hear it.
0-15 good intro, cut 17 to 28 (too repetitive) 1:06 to 1:14 place a drum riser to build up to a massive 4/4 beat without the syncopation of the earlier drums. (A house beat)
end that beat at the breakdown at 2:01. keep the drums you have to 2:19 and then bring back the house drums with and added wobble bassline to the end.
The reason why I gave you the link to the Danny Tenaglia song is back in 1998-9 I became obsessed with remixing it in all the house styles of the day. My best remix of this incorporates a James bond theme chord change that works with a sinister bassline. But it's not worthy of a release. However I learned so much about minimalism and simple grooves and basslines and making a song powerful out of nothing I thought you might enjoy that lesson as well.
good luck with this one
Steve
I have a few thoughts. make the song (remix) that you want to hear. if there is a certain drum sound you like, find that loop and incorporate it. make the music you want to hear! every else’s opinions be dammed. make it sound like something you want to play on your ipod for yourself .
Steve
No Steve - hahaha! Please help me instead - I need those damn opinions to know if it's good at all, good to anyone really, myself included. It seems my brain loves everything I listen to more than a hundred times - which you Always do while creating a new track. So how do I know my brain isn't telling me bogus? I simply don't know. I's like being deff but still yet hearing, not able to evaluate what you hear.
Listening to this today after a nights break I hear that the drums are a bit cluttered, just a bit to me but maybe they are really all over the place for someone elses ears? They need some syncronising at least.
And the piano do rush at times, I wanted to keep the track short but that is going down the drain now when I remix it. Sorry for the ramble - thinking aloud. =)
Thanks for listening Steve!
Take care /SJ
Oh, P.S. - that Danny Tenaglia ft. Liz Torres - Turn Me On was FANTASTIC!!! Loved it completely. D.S.
Fist and foremost what beautiful mastering of this tune. It sounds gorgeous. Secondly What a nice concept musically as well. You made a fantastic tune. I love the female vocals. great job all around. the guitar is subtle and yet so perfect in this song.
Steve
thanks for your nice compliment steve! my friend Ray programmed the vocals (kontakt instrument), i was also impressed how they sound.
glad you enjoyed it, cheers :)
I think why you may not be happy with this is that it is missing a solid bass groove to hold the rhythm together. Without it it sounds very ambient eclectic. I know the type of dance music you like in the clubs and maybe gear the bass and percussion towards that and you will be satisfied!
Steve
Hi Steve!
Yes, it's the bass missing and also the overall state of the mix and mastering.
It's too long also...a lot of flaws really!
I need to look in to that bass groove thing more closely, I still have a lot to learn about that.
Nice remix, With Emily's voice and your very house-industrial-minimal approach to the song I was reminded of "How to Destroy Angels" With Trent Rezor and his wife. Good idea and work so far. i would want you to build with somes strings or pads toward the last 3rd of the song and build it up to something fantastic and then bring it back down to the beautifuly simple percussion. Then it might be something else... IMHO.
Steve
Let me be the first to comment, what a great cause to champion, and what a great job you have done making music that is so emotional and dissonant and in your face..great Job my Friend Behnam...you inspire me when you do something like this. f@@@ing awesome!!!!!!!
Steve
"Thanks for your very kind words and I'd be interested to hear how you think my music has made you a better musician. I feel it's sufficiently interesting, diverse, unusual and creative stuff to inspire quite a few people. If only they get the chance to hear it! It's predominantly Loopermen/ladies/hermaphrodites who currently do that though I hope that will change when I get round to releasing some actual proper albums. "
How you make me a better musician is not exactly about music itself...it's because you as a musician are purely Authentic. You don't do this for the ego you do this for the love of what you create. You also take chances as a musician but again not to make others happy but to satisfy what you like about what you recorded in the first place. so what you do is remind me that Music is about making sounds that appeal to yourself and not always others. It's nice to have positive feedback, but do you like what you created is really the most important factor. Sometimes I have too remind myself that that is more important than making a track that appeals to this group or that, and so i take chances by making music that I want to hear myself. So maybe it's a mambo, or maybe a techno tune, or some self indulgent wah porn sound...but ultimately I wanted to listen to that!
The development I hear from you is subtle but is in the mixes themselves and there is a slight sense of musical .. dare I say understanding from you. Your brain is processing music theory whether you like it or not.
Steve
Good answer and you are right, without ever having met me, that I make the music I make largely to please myself.
Actually, it's not even that. It's more like an explorer (not so many about these days as most of the world has been 'discovered') who goes looking for new places just to see what's there, not in order to necessarily have a good time or gain renown as an intrepid traveller.
So, I'm just constantly exploring the musical and sonic soundscape and every track your hear of mine is just that. There's no specific 'here's me doing this genre' track though obviously I have to explore some recognisable genres. I'm hardly good even to invent completely unheard of music. It's all based on stuff that's already been done but I like to think I combine things in unique ways.
I've heard so much music over the years and there's so much that bores me so I have to make something I haven't really heard. Not make a half decent version of a genre just so I can say "Hey, here I am doing ___".
I'm oddly inspired by boring unadventurous music as well as
stuff that is good but could have been so much better. I analyse the ways I would have done it differently and then eventually introduce those improvements and innovations into what I do.
I believe I have good taste in music (ie appreciation of other people's stuff). If I like one of my tracks, I feel confident at leas some others will. So, please myself as much as I can and then I'll probably end up with something good and different. Always room for improvement and I'm my own harshest critic.
I'm always curious to hear what people make of my stuff and that's why I value your intelligent and interesting feedback. Far too little of that on this site - real disappointment for me.
I had a good track on Mixposure a couple of years ago that about 5-10 people really loved. Not one word of criticism! But I've since found so many errors and corrected most of them and produced such a better end product. But if I'd just sat around thinking "Oh yeah, this is so great and everyone else is telling me just that. I rule!" I would never have made those crucial improvements.
The main reason I like my stuff to be liked is so that I can eventually somehow attract decent collaborators (in person, not online) and bandmembers and take what I do to the next few levels.
Love the progression of this, Great tune Steve, I enjoyed this. Great build it then a minimalist middle section. Tehn you rebuild it all back up again. very chill and very nice.
on fairy tale by Prelude
Steve
:)
i reallize this is not amazing composition for
musicians like you and your friends but a huge
appreciation for support.
:)
what about that first one ?
I really can't wait to hear your version about that .
thank you very much for stopping by and feedback.
it's really good to know you have liked this one too.
thank you again .
on Loving Me - Patricia Edwards by Enzotic
Steve
on The Summer Of Minor Regrets by Orlando51
Steve
...nope?...I will have to ask Justin Hayward ...^^
on Tigress - Tribal Church by tminniefield
on UPDATE Feeling Good Nina Simone Remix by SeriouslyJoking
Steve
Somehow funny to manage to create something worth listening too by almost an accident...
As I wrote to Behnam this was mainly for practising on how to use FL guitar sounds (and they are very modest here! =D ).
I also intended to create an instrumental for a new friend of mine who is a vocalist but it didn't turn out the way I intended so I used the pella from Nina Simone instead.
Well, glad to hear you liked it, now I have two fun projects to work on, this and the Devyn Rose-remix.
on Mad Jam by Akazar
Steve
Thank you for listening and nice comment! I'm glad you like my track and disco sound.
Last night Dj saved my life. now that you mention it!I like it very much.Do you also like it?
Best regards.
Takeshi
on My Memories Of A Ghost With The Violin by Orlando51
Steve
With appreciation___Orlando
on Weapons Of Mastication by Evisma
on Pieces Spinn Off Reworked by SeriouslyJoking
https://www.looperman.com/tracks/detail/152484
and even I think I could do more with the percussion on this mix as well.
go figure
Steve
(Mutt Lange..famous producer (shania twain-Def Leppard, ACDC) has a most famous quote for his artists he produced....do it again!)
Thanks again, Steve - I wish there was a way to return all your help.
on Pieces Spinn Off Reworked by SeriouslyJoking
keep at it. The only additions I can think of are percussive at this point.
Steve
No - seriously, I have to take a break from this tune but am coming back to fix those drums. Thank you so much for guidance. You are a great mentor!!
/SJ
on Nobelium- I am With you by Keen5003
Steve
on Strawberry Ice with Cherry by Polyfronetic
on Dont let me go - Larry Wiggles aka Mark Jeffries by larrywiggles1
Ciao
Steve
Your comments and those of the others so far are the reason why looperman is so refreshing, I had really stalled with this one and decided to put it up for critique and valued opinions, which I really appreciate. I am very disappointed with the sound quality though...the final take will be better!! thanks for you time and valued comments.
All the very best,
Mark/Larry!
on Modnex - Adventure Land by Modnex
Steve
Thanks for stopping by! :)
on Pieces Spinn Off ft Devyn Rose by SeriouslyJoking
"It seems my brain loves everything I listen to more than a hundred times - which you Always do while creating a new track. So how do I know my brain isn't telling me bogus"...
"Listening to this today after a nights break...."
The key is sometimes you have to take a break or your ears (brain) becomes overwhelmed with sensory input and you don't hear the song correctly any more. It happens to all of us and the good musicians and producers know that they have to take a break from it. The song Tension of Seduction that I just recently put up is a perfect example. The original is like 9:30 long and has cool ideas but they don't sound perfect. So making a whole new shorter version I was able to make it sound the way I wanted.
So a break down of this song in a way I might want to hear it.
0-15 good intro, cut 17 to 28 (too repetitive) 1:06 to 1:14 place a drum riser to build up to a massive 4/4 beat without the syncopation of the earlier drums. (A house beat)
end that beat at the breakdown at 2:01. keep the drums you have to 2:19 and then bring back the house drums with and added wobble bassline to the end.
The reason why I gave you the link to the Danny Tenaglia song is back in 1998-9 I became obsessed with remixing it in all the house styles of the day. My best remix of this incorporates a James bond theme chord change that works with a sinister bassline. But it's not worthy of a release. However I learned so much about minimalism and simple grooves and basslines and making a song powerful out of nothing I thought you might enjoy that lesson as well.
good luck with this one
Steve
It's sounding a lot better actually. And very eclectic...
THANK YOU, STEVE!
I'll try to finish it and upload in a moment.
on Pieces Spinn Off ft Devyn Rose by SeriouslyJoking
Steve
Listening to this today after a nights break I hear that the drums are a bit cluttered, just a bit to me but maybe they are really all over the place for someone elses ears? They need some syncronising at least.
And the piano do rush at times, I wanted to keep the track short but that is going down the drain now when I remix it. Sorry for the ramble - thinking aloud. =)
Thanks for listening Steve!
Take care /SJ
Oh, P.S. - that Danny Tenaglia ft. Liz Torres - Turn Me On was FANTASTIC!!! Loved it completely. D.S.
on Dance for the Morning by doudei
Steve
glad you enjoyed it, cheers :)
on Modnex - Tree People by Modnex
on Loving You - Remix of Easy by Mat Zo n Robinson by SeriouslyJoking
Steve
Yes, it's the bass missing and also the overall state of the mix and mastering.
It's too long also...a lot of flaws really!
I need to look in to that bass groove thing more closely, I still have a lot to learn about that.
on FLOAT feat Emily Coy by Soletik
Steve
on ibalz What You Here For Kyle Gentles house Remix by KooLKYLE
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Steve
on Knee Deep In The Cosmic Overwhelm by StaticNomad
How you make me a better musician is not exactly about music itself...it's because you as a musician are purely Authentic. You don't do this for the ego you do this for the love of what you create. You also take chances as a musician but again not to make others happy but to satisfy what you like about what you recorded in the first place. so what you do is remind me that Music is about making sounds that appeal to yourself and not always others. It's nice to have positive feedback, but do you like what you created is really the most important factor. Sometimes I have too remind myself that that is more important than making a track that appeals to this group or that, and so i take chances by making music that I want to hear myself. So maybe it's a mambo, or maybe a techno tune, or some self indulgent wah porn sound...but ultimately I wanted to listen to that!
The development I hear from you is subtle but is in the mixes themselves and there is a slight sense of musical .. dare I say understanding from you. Your brain is processing music theory whether you like it or not.
Steve
Actually, it's not even that. It's more like an explorer (not so many about these days as most of the world has been 'discovered') who goes looking for new places just to see what's there, not in order to necessarily have a good time or gain renown as an intrepid traveller.
So, I'm just constantly exploring the musical and sonic soundscape and every track your hear of mine is just that. There's no specific 'here's me doing this genre' track though obviously I have to explore some recognisable genres. I'm hardly good even to invent completely unheard of music. It's all based on stuff that's already been done but I like to think I combine things in unique ways.
I've heard so much music over the years and there's so much that bores me so I have to make something I haven't really heard. Not make a half decent version of a genre just so I can say "Hey, here I am doing ___".
I'm oddly inspired by boring unadventurous music as well as
stuff that is good but could have been so much better. I analyse the ways I would have done it differently and then eventually introduce those improvements and innovations into what I do.
I believe I have good taste in music (ie appreciation of other people's stuff). If I like one of my tracks, I feel confident at leas some others will. So, please myself as much as I can and then I'll probably end up with something good and different. Always room for improvement and I'm my own harshest critic.
I'm always curious to hear what people make of my stuff and that's why I value your intelligent and interesting feedback. Far too little of that on this site - real disappointment for me.
I had a good track on Mixposure a couple of years ago that about 5-10 people really loved. Not one word of criticism! But I've since found so many errors and corrected most of them and produced such a better end product. But if I'd just sat around thinking "Oh yeah, this is so great and everyone else is telling me just that. I rule!" I would never have made those crucial improvements.
The main reason I like my stuff to be liked is so that I can eventually somehow attract decent collaborators (in person, not online) and bandmembers and take what I do to the next few levels.
Take care.
on Floating in Time - Larry Wiggles aka Mark Jeffries by larrywiggles1
Steve
Mark/Larry!
on Morning Dew by beerling1970
Steve (Crucethus)
Steve