Some of those SFX are great. The kick is lacking low end though. Psytrance usually uses the "laser kick" too, which is just a high-resonance synthesizer making a pitchy thump sound. Having a melody in the breakdown and a bigger build could add to the suspense like many traditional progressive tracks use.
thanks man, kick sounds fine over here are you listening on monitors or pc speakers? Noted on the arrangement, can always go either way but if you listen too most progressive/minimal psy trance style there isn't hardly any builds or big drum breaks thats wat sets it apart from most trance or commercial psy. Now if you a psy-trance producer or any good then i take back all i said lol.
Hey, thanks so much for checking this one out! I think you're right, a glitchy remix of this would be interesting! I appreciate your comments my friend!
That synth sounds pretty cool, real grungy, if I were you I would process the vocals more, distort them, timestrech them now and then, and delay them. It's missing a solid kick though for electro, you will want to use sidechain compression on your synth with your kick, give it that real electro feeling.
Maybe you should make the room size/decay on the violin a little higher/bigger, just an idea. Really don't know what else to say, sounds real good, and I'm no expert on hip hop.
Really like this, I can see it in a war movie, kind of a stealth night scene sneaking up on the bad guys. I love the congos/congas/bongos/bongas(whatever...) that you use and how you pan and sounds like granulize them. Though the almost vocal sound that has some rhythm to it seems kind of out of context to me, but it does sound very junglish, though the intro of the track seems to carry an eerie feeling. The same goes for the steel drum. I love it though!
Funny you'd invoke a war movie as one of the loops used from victormusic01x is titled, "Fallen soldiers ideas." Strange how people can intuit the original intent from strands of snippets. Though our interpretations are a bit different, I think my visualizing an imaginary jungle anime scene (sci-fi and not happy stuff) seems to translate pretty well in the audio experience. Thanks for the review and encouragement!
The beginning is pretty cool, and I agree with So0ren. Your kick sounds like its clipping just a tad, you might want to turn it down. I really love the chopped and screwed sounds you have, just curious, how did you make it?
Thanks! Yea the kick was taken out of a larger sample kick. I used sony sound forge and acid studio pro with most samples in my library and few others that i added for texture from here and some friends.
I'm loving that bass, I don't like to use matrix in Reason though, unless I am Amp Gating a sound rhythmically. The clap could be a little louder too. Around 1:20 or so those pads that come in are a bit louder than everything else, drowning them out a bit in my opinion.
ahh ok, i quite like matrix, but i mean thats the only sequencer i have seeing as i only have a small adapted version of reason.I would like another more advanced one that would be good.
And yes, the pads are a little loud, but i guess they still sound ok though, it seemed like everyone else liked it i think.
And ill make the clap louder yeah :)
thanks for ur comments!
Dj Somnium
Bass is a little quiet in the mix, just trying to help here, I have helped Paul plenty too. Your synth is a little thin, my first released uses 7 synths all layered to get a phat lead. 6 of those are samples put in a sampler from something like Vengeance. When you come into the first chorus there is no melody before the chorus, you should have it there in some way before you drop everything in, otherwise it's kind of awkward.
Great track!
-DaMann
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EDIT:
Ok well for the leads, I have Darren Styles - Come Running on vinyl, one of the few Styles tunes I like. If you listen it has a biting high, it's a killer lead, but it's got mids, something your lead lacks. When I make my leads I will have a synth one octave, then one an octave higher, then another lower than the first. Making leads can be tough. Come running is no thin lead though, it is a bit thinner than most, but instead of having the usual bass it layers a similar synth an octave lower, to fill those frequencies, other tracks that use that are Lumin8 - Rivers Flow In You and .... ohh what's it called, it might be a remix of Watergate - Heart of Asia, I'll find it!
While I am searching here is another comment. I hope you listen to more than the Clubland X-Treme Hardcore. I can't stand them, it's all the same to me, you should listen to Bonkers 17 Mix 2 (Kevin Energy and Sharkey Mix) to hear some real creativity, it's amazing.
Listen to around 4:20, that's when the song starts, then listen to the melody, it's not constantly playing, but it's got a hard higher synth on the mid frequencies filling the gap.
Thanks for your opinion mate, its much appreicated :)
I can see what you mean about the bass being a little quiet so i can boost that up whenever.
As far as the synths go, i find that layering many synths can create a muffled lead with less edge and bite, even though it does have a wider and more complete tone, but is personally what i prefer. This minimal stacking of synths is quite popular in a lot of UK hardcore recently in order to provide a 'harder' and more prominent melody. An example off the top of my head would be 'Come Running' by Darren Styles, if you listen the synth lead in the chorus of that track is very similar, in the fasion of not being overly-reinforced, with only two or three synths stacked.
Adressing the structure is an aspect that i have seen needs some improvement, as this is of course only my fourth attempt at a hardcore track! However, the way in which i have not built up the main melody before the chorus is not entirley unconventional, and im sure as many people would confirm, not completly disagreeable or 'awkward'. There are of course tracks which conform to this as well, perhaps 'Rise Again' can be considered one as well.
You have provided some usefull and insightfull critisism, which im happy to consider in furthering my experience in this new process and im happy to take some tips onboard, especially from someone who has produced so many tracks, and has great equipment and has had so much experience!
Also, good luck with your release hope all goes well!
Dj Somnium
thats funny...
i was listening to this one today,
and i thought the exact same thing.
im trying to make some new tracks
that are even better,
then im gonna come back and improve some of my older ones..
anyway, thanks for the review(:
You have a nice melody and I like that little vocal sample you studder, what you should do is continue to studder until it fades out and bring in reverb as it goes.
You always talk about getting famous, so I'm going to go over track structure of trance that is going to be a necessity if you ever want to release something. I don't really know the structure of trance songs, but more energetic trance is pretty similar to hardcore, trance with less energy may have a different thing going on. When you release your song your going to release it for a DJ's, not just for listeners, the DJ has to be able to mix it into his set. So you need an intro that has a bass drum so they can beatmatch from the other song. You progressively add drum and bass into the mix every 8 to 16 bars in the intro. You may even bring in the melody for a bit. Then a breakdown, in trance its probably going to be something mellow, and smooth, an orchestra and a choir, they may be related to the melody in a way, some ambient synth, or vocals are often common if you have them. Next you start building for a chorus, then you have the chorus, which usually is a minimum of 24 bars. You keep the drums/bass going for 16-24 bars and maybe add or subtract elements from the beat. Then have another breakdown, build, chorus, then slowly detract elements from the mix.
This could be completely wrong, but it should help.
I have no idea on dubset but I'll try to use my DnB knowledge for some feedback.
Well there isn't really a kick, there is a sub bass, and another kick that doesn't have much bass. There also isn't a realy dirty bassline, from my VERY minimal experience with dubset I remember it being hardhitting with a dirty bassline. This has an oldskool hardcore break kind of feel, light, and all over the place.
I've experimented with goa a few times so let me tell you what I find is a good psychedelic key signature. Well I don't know it's name, but here are the notes.
C
C#
D#
E
G
G#
A#
The three most important notes are C, D#, and E, usually in that order.
Holy S**T!!!
I want to DnB remix this sooooooo bad, if you could break up the loops for me and send them over, I would drop a reese, and a Reese like beat over it....
Hey lil bro. Thanks for the heads up there (I'm still mostly just a percussionist with a couple of keyboards, haha).
As for remixing this, shoot JahKnow an email and have him send you what he did. Personally, I like that version better, but if you'd like the crazy synths I added to it I can email you a link to a folder I got all of 'em stored on (eSnips). Which reminds me, it prolly wouldn't hurt to add 'em here too now. So thanks for both mate. Later on!
Dave, this is sounding excellent, though there is one thing that is bugging me in it.
The bass sound you use, maybe it's just my speakers, but hits a combination of ugly frequencies that just create a resonant bass sound, I have to work with it in my bassline all the time in hardcore.
I LOVE the use of ambience, sounds like a plain taking off in the background.
Hey Curtis..thanks for the listen mate..As for the bass sound..I thought it sounded great! lol hehe,seriously..it's interesting you should say that..I'm always changing it looking for a better more refined sound ..this particular version has a lot of presence to it and I wouldn't use it in a more ensemble piece..hehe what sort of monitors are you using?..there is another thing you know, your ears are totally different in audio receptiveness to my (old ones) or so I'm led to believe...maybe my music will be played in Malls to discourage youth from gathering in large numbers ..bwahahahaha..just kidding..I really appreciate your frank and honest appraisal..how else are we ever going to improve if we don't listen to our peers...cheers mate Dave :)
I like the reversing of the beats a lot but you did it for too long, it's a good way to bring in changes, like hat or bassline or whatever. The fading in the beginning doesn't sound good to me. The vocals work well. There are some clicks after the reversing too, or it happens in a subtly abrupt way. Where did you get the acapella?
Haha, its cool. I've got a whole other 23 on the back-burner waitin to get reactivated. I just did that because I was wantin some of these tracks to get more coverage.
Considering how most people on here just scan through the first 5 or 10 tracks, know what I mean?
The revo style's something that I've been experimenting with for a hot minute now. And I agree, I think I may've overdone it on this one (specially that part with the vox in rev section).
As for the problem areas, yeah, I see what you're saying. This is kind of in the 'rough sketch' stage. So I'll def haveta go back & tweek this one some.
As for additional parts, I did this in my conventional (mostly unchanged) style of remixing stuff. Single song, 2 or 3 channels, mostly with just effects and volume level manipulations.
As for the vox, I asked Esh and she said it was off of Magix. She must have a different version then the one I have coz I could only find one of the voc-sams she used in my loop library.
But anyways, aren't they great? And have you heard her vers yet?? Glad ya dug it. Later on!
PS. If ya run outta tunes on here I've got oodles more on my Soundclick page, cool!?
Sounding crazy man, the studdering lead though doesn't loop well, sound's like an almost finished loop. That sound going in the background is soooo crazy.
I have a NES controller with the cheating turbo button =D!
Haha, I had 2 with the cheating turbo. The Max was one and I can't remember what the other was called (it looked like motorcycle handle bars).
As for the stuttering lead, they were all soundfonts of Magix (which are kinda so-so I'm thinkin). The background pads were added in a similar fashion to the Animal drum track I recently uploaded. Just went nuts on mashin down random keys. Later on!
That bassline in the beggining is awesome, but definitly overpowers those drums that go for a few seconds. I wouldn't have my drums distorted the whole time, wait... AWESOME!! A JACK HAMMER!!! On a dark track I may put a bit of distortion on the drums the whole time but not that much the whole time.
Gaia, Greek Goddess of Earth/nature? Right? Those bongos/congos/congas/bongas sound really cool, the big sounding panned ones. The bassline and the kick tie together to much to sound like a rolling bass sound which doesn't work too well.
Yeah, I think yer right lil bro (if I remember right). I'm a bit rusty at the mo' coz I've been drankin, haha.
As for the track, yer gonna make me do it, ay, make me relisten to it? Haha, yeah those percs were what I first started with and I loved 'em so much that I hadta do somethin with 'em.
I'm thinkin the drum/bass part ya mentioned is one of the things that I was wanting to edit on this coz I've always felt that that part of the song was the weakest section. Didn't really know which way to go with 'em- do I drop the extra kicks, do I drown out & fade the bass, do I completely rework the drum section? I dunno, but when I do go to rework this I'm sure I'll have it sorted out. Glad ya dug it. Later on!
The drums sound familiar I have to say but I couldn't point them out.
The cross fading? Is that just because it is kind of different songs with similar element. Is that an acoustic guitar sample or a harp sample? Well whatever it is it is not in the same key as the bassline. Oh DubzOnFire mentioned this.... Well I would definitly turn it into one song all in the same key.
Yeah, I do too!
& a Game Boy Pocket (don't really mess with 'em though).
It's a Guitar sound font that I use (it's just that some of the notes are highly placed, kinda like how you can get Guitar-like sounds if you play a Bass down near the bottom of the neck).
As for the c-fades, haha, I do that in almost all of my songs lil bro.
And is the off key thing really that bad or is it the musician in you taking the helm on that judgment? Later on!
I haven't seen you in a while where have you been? Didn't know you did drum n bass, intro sounds really cool, that synth is amazing, how did you make it, simple saw waves detuned? It's the melody that is great though, the sound is a perfect for it though. I love the choppiness of the drums.
Loving the vox with the neutered chipmunk and the Issac Hayes sounds stacked on top of each other. I never thought you would do rap, but then again your the Donny Vyros, what the hell are you going to do next?
Hahaha,
Thanks for the chuckle, brother. Yeah, I rap, nothing serious, but it was somethin I wanted to try my hand at too.
As for what I'd do next, I dunno- Country maybe? Try to compose something truly Classical? Ooh wait, I know, make some kinda boy/girl band Pop-type song, yeah! Haha. Really? Hmm, R&B maybe. That'd be the next logical step I'm thinkin. Later on mate!
What is fidget house anyway? The bassline sounds fidgety, is that what defines it? I'm really digging the hi-hat/shaker. After a while the bassline seems to get a little repetitive, maybe a little filtering now and then or note changing, but I like it's nice solid sound. The transition sounds pretty cool with a different bassline.
Thanks for the review. Fidget is just some weird new sub-genre to house with this kind of basslines. In the last check before uploading i thought it was a bit repetitive too but just uploaded it. Don't know about key changes it sounds too troublesome. Im lazy ^^
Fatten up the bass, layer with some other sounds. Put rides on every kick too, then claps on every other, and hi hats in between. At one point it gets too loud it starts to really clip. Definitly got potential. I can help you with all things hardcore, I am about to have my first hardcore release so I am getting pretty good now. What synths were you using?
I guess layering would add some depth, the bass was pretty loud already though so im not 100%. I did have claps on every other beat in certain sections to add vareity. I do see your point about the clipping though, i did notice that. Fortunatly it didnt clip too much so i was ok this time but i should watch my mixing. :D The synths i was using were a protools plugin called Xpand. They have a HUGE bank of synths avaliable, and about 5 main editable features for each one as well. thin can range from attack, to filter decay and resonance. I also use mono and poly synths in reason adapted plugin for protools. thanks for your tips!!
on Erase Reboot by NotQuiteHuman
Great track!
-Curtis
on No More Free Mix 2 by Spivkurl
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on Dance With Me ft Sky T by StephanieKay
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-Curtis
on Dafu Productions - New Life by Dafu
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-DaMann
on Jungulation Victor by n0mad23
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-DaMann
on Harder and Deeper by AceZecA
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-DaMann
on Pacman Remix by DjSomnium
Great track!
-DaMann
And yes, the pads are a little loud, but i guess they still sound ok though, it seemed like everyone else liked it i think.
And ill make the clap louder yeah :)
thanks for ur comments!
Dj Somnium
on Forces by DjSomnium
Great track!
-DaMann
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EDIT:
Ok well for the leads, I have Darren Styles - Come Running on vinyl, one of the few Styles tunes I like. If you listen it has a biting high, it's a killer lead, but it's got mids, something your lead lacks. When I make my leads I will have a synth one octave, then one an octave higher, then another lower than the first. Making leads can be tough. Come running is no thin lead though, it is a bit thinner than most, but instead of having the usual bass it layers a similar synth an octave lower, to fill those frequencies, other tracks that use that are Lumin8 - Rivers Flow In You and .... ohh what's it called, it might be a remix of Watergate - Heart of Asia, I'll find it!
While I am searching here is another comment. I hope you listen to more than the Clubland X-Treme Hardcore. I can't stand them, it's all the same to me, you should listen to Bonkers 17 Mix 2 (Kevin Energy and Sharkey Mix) to hear some real creativity, it's amazing.
Ahhh... I found the song but not the title in a mix.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3pWYolGeTY&feature=channel
Listen to around 4:20, that's when the song starts, then listen to the melody, it's not constantly playing, but it's got a hard higher synth on the mid frequencies filling the gap.
Hope I'm helping
-DaMann
I can see what you mean about the bass being a little quiet so i can boost that up whenever.
As far as the synths go, i find that layering many synths can create a muffled lead with less edge and bite, even though it does have a wider and more complete tone, but is personally what i prefer. This minimal stacking of synths is quite popular in a lot of UK hardcore recently in order to provide a 'harder' and more prominent melody. An example off the top of my head would be 'Come Running' by Darren Styles, if you listen the synth lead in the chorus of that track is very similar, in the fasion of not being overly-reinforced, with only two or three synths stacked.
Adressing the structure is an aspect that i have seen needs some improvement, as this is of course only my fourth attempt at a hardcore track! However, the way in which i have not built up the main melody before the chorus is not entirley unconventional, and im sure as many people would confirm, not completly disagreeable or 'awkward'. There are of course tracks which conform to this as well, perhaps 'Rise Again' can be considered one as well.
You have provided some usefull and insightfull critisism, which im happy to consider in furthering my experience in this new process and im happy to take some tips onboard, especially from someone who has produced so many tracks, and has great equipment and has had so much experience!
Also, good luck with your release hope all goes well!
Dj Somnium
on Synthesizer by littlebittyducky
The intro is sounding real cool.
My cat just stepped in front of my screen so I'm typing this with no visions of the screen!
Ok I had to move my cat... I typed all that above though with the cat above.
This track seems like a bunch of ideas, there is no transition between them. Some of the ideas are pretty good, and with development could be great.
-DaMann
i was listening to this one today,
and i thought the exact same thing.
im trying to make some new tracks
that are even better,
then im gonna come back and improve some of my older ones..
anyway, thanks for the review(:
on Forgotten by Grimga
You always talk about getting famous, so I'm going to go over track structure of trance that is going to be a necessity if you ever want to release something. I don't really know the structure of trance songs, but more energetic trance is pretty similar to hardcore, trance with less energy may have a different thing going on. When you release your song your going to release it for a DJ's, not just for listeners, the DJ has to be able to mix it into his set. So you need an intro that has a bass drum so they can beatmatch from the other song. You progressively add drum and bass into the mix every 8 to 16 bars in the intro. You may even bring in the melody for a bit. Then a breakdown, in trance its probably going to be something mellow, and smooth, an orchestra and a choir, they may be related to the melody in a way, some ambient synth, or vocals are often common if you have them. Next you start building for a chorus, then you have the chorus, which usually is a minimum of 24 bars. You keep the drums/bass going for 16-24 bars and maybe add or subtract elements from the beat. Then have another breakdown, build, chorus, then slowly detract elements from the mix.
This could be completely wrong, but it should help.
-DaMann
on DUBPLEXX_-_Hard_choiz by DUBPLEXX
Great track!
-DaMann
on COME DOWN SELECTOR (bass, guitar, etc) by MiracleManTracks
Well there isn't really a kick, there is a sub bass, and another kick that doesn't have much bass. There also isn't a realy dirty bassline, from my VERY minimal experience with dubset I remember it being hardhitting with a dirty bassline. This has an oldskool hardcore break kind of feel, light, and all over the place.
Great track!
-DaMann
on LGC- GOA (Lifecycle) by DonnieVyros
C
C#
D#
E
G
G#
A#
The three most important notes are C, D#, and E, usually in that order.
Holy S**T!!!
I want to DnB remix this sooooooo bad, if you could break up the loops for me and send them over, I would drop a reese, and a Reese like beat over it....
Let me remix it!
Great track!
-DaMann
As for remixing this, shoot JahKnow an email and have him send you what he did. Personally, I like that version better, but if you'd like the crazy synths I added to it I can email you a link to a folder I got all of 'em stored on (eSnips). Which reminds me, it prolly wouldn't hurt to add 'em here too now. So thanks for both mate. Later on!
on The Human Zone by Planetjazzbass
The bass sound you use, maybe it's just my speakers, but hits a combination of ugly frequencies that just create a resonant bass sound, I have to work with it in my bassline all the time in hardcore.
I LOVE the use of ambience, sounds like a plain taking off in the background.
Amazing Track!
Favorite!
-DaMann
on Electro Funk by WhiteSands
Great track!
-DaMann
on Grinda Rounder by COL_GRINDER
Sorry about not being able to do interview....
Great track!
-DaMann
on Eshar- By My Side remix (DVs Swinging Echo re-rmx) by DonnieVyros
I like the reversing of the beats a lot but you did it for too long, it's a good way to bring in changes, like hat or bassline or whatever. The fading in the beginning doesn't sound good to me. The vocals work well. There are some clicks after the reversing too, or it happens in a subtly abrupt way. Where did you get the acapella?
Great track!
-DaMan
Considering how most people on here just scan through the first 5 or 10 tracks, know what I mean?
The revo style's something that I've been experimenting with for a hot minute now. And I agree, I think I may've overdone it on this one (specially that part with the vox in rev section).
As for the problem areas, yeah, I see what you're saying. This is kind of in the 'rough sketch' stage. So I'll def haveta go back & tweek this one some.
As for additional parts, I did this in my conventional (mostly unchanged) style of remixing stuff. Single song, 2 or 3 channels, mostly with just effects and volume level manipulations.
As for the vox, I asked Esh and she said it was off of Magix. She must have a different version then the one I have coz I could only find one of the voc-sams she used in my loop library.
But anyways, aren't they great? And have you heard her vers yet?? Glad ya dug it. Later on!
PS. If ya run outta tunes on here I've got oodles more on my Soundclick page, cool!?
on Turbo Button (Day one on NanoKey) by DonnieVyros
I have a NES controller with the cheating turbo button =D!
Great crazy track!
-DaMann
As for the stuttering lead, they were all soundfonts of Magix (which are kinda so-so I'm thinkin). The background pads were added in a similar fashion to the Animal drum track I recently uploaded. Just went nuts on mashin down random keys. Later on!
on Ioka - Sun Thunder (Demo Version) by Ioka
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-DaMann
on My Gaia (World House) by DonnieVyros
Great track!
-DaMann
As for the track, yer gonna make me do it, ay, make me relisten to it? Haha, yeah those percs were what I first started with and I loved 'em so much that I hadta do somethin with 'em.
I'm thinkin the drum/bass part ya mentioned is one of the things that I was wanting to edit on this coz I've always felt that that part of the song was the weakest section. Didn't really know which way to go with 'em- do I drop the extra kicks, do I drown out & fade the bass, do I completely rework the drum section? I dunno, but when I do go to rework this I'm sure I'll have it sorted out. Glad ya dug it. Later on!
on NESness by DonnieVyros
The cross fading? Is that just because it is kind of different songs with similar element. Is that an acoustic guitar sample or a harp sample? Well whatever it is it is not in the same key as the bassline. Oh DubzOnFire mentioned this.... Well I would definitly turn it into one song all in the same key.
Great track!
-DaMann
Oh by the way...
I have a working NES, great game system!
& a Game Boy Pocket (don't really mess with 'em though).
It's a Guitar sound font that I use (it's just that some of the notes are highly placed, kinda like how you can get Guitar-like sounds if you play a Bass down near the bottom of the neck).
As for the c-fades, haha, I do that in almost all of my songs lil bro.
And is the off key thing really that bad or is it the musician in you taking the helm on that judgment? Later on!
on Black Day by AcidParadox
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-DaMann
on Mouko- Made In Mexico (DVs screwdriver rmx) by DonnieVyros
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-DaMann
Thanks for the chuckle, brother. Yeah, I rap, nothing serious, but it was somethin I wanted to try my hand at too.
As for what I'd do next, I dunno- Country maybe? Try to compose something truly Classical? Ooh wait, I know, make some kinda boy/girl band Pop-type song, yeah! Haha. Really? Hmm, R&B maybe. That'd be the next logical step I'm thinkin. Later on mate!
on Fidget by Avail
Great track!
-DaMann
on New Contact by DjSomnium
Great track!
-DaMann