thank you very much for answering all my questions! very interesting to learn you also use the mouse i lot. i often do the same for bass, strings and drums.
it did sound awesome on my stereo as well by the way, cheers!
part 1:
just listened to this on headphones while having my hedonistic coffee & jazz cigarette 'breakfast'. still haven't slept sadly but there's no going back at this time now.
holy moly, that was an intense trip indeed. clean and well-balanced yet energetic sound. outstanding mix which i think made it even more engaging.
i enjoy slow build-ups, so i never wished it would progress quicker. through the headphones i noticed how every sound has its own space and similar frequencies of different sounds don't get in the way of each other.
man, the low-end sounds nuts on my headphones. did you use a high-pass on the instrument buses besides bass and drums, i presume?
the bass felt mighty and went straight into my skull and bones. impressive energy when it takes off shortly before the 3 min mark.
For the guitars and bass, I just EQ them side by side so I can make sure the frequencies across the board are cut or boosted in a way that they are all level with no gaps or overlaps. I do cut below 30h and above 10kh. Just to keep it clean since you can't really hear those anyhow. On their buses I use a multiband compressor. Mainly as a form of EQ more than compression. I like to keep my levels lower during the process and boost them in the master.
I do the same thing with the drums. Each piece has it's own mixer track where they are EQ'd and then sent to the bus. Same process as the guitars. After they all go to the master I just boost the levels and if I need to, I use a compressor, a little saturation and a limiter. I think the mixing and tweaking take longer than building the track itself. Which is fine, that's the part I enjoy the most.
part 2:
when you layer those distorted instruments that have been recorded, do you have to pay attention to the phase and manually nudge waveforms depending on their phase offset or is that obsolete these days in FL?
listen, i am by no means a connoisseur when it comes to this kind of mixing and mastering plus i haven't slept in a while. still, to me that sounds ready to go.
that was a blast! going to listen on speakers next to compare.
I'm one of those that enjoy the tedious act of drawing in the notes and beats one note at a time in the piano roll. Each hit of every piece of the drums, every "pick of the strings". All one click at a time. I don't record anything. But, to answer your question, I do have to nudge the right and left guitar just a touch to avoid phasing.
I really appreciate you taking to time to listen, and to comment so thoroughly. I hope I was able to adequately answer your questions.
Let me know how it sounded on the speakers. I have to admit, I was a little lazy with this one as far as checking against all my different systems. So, some levels may be a little too much, or too little.
Thank you for taking the time, man. I do appreciate it.
Take care.
V.
you synth work is electric, always on point with all the layers. love the building up and specially those guitar tone, what are you using ? the track brought me to another dimension, you nailed the psychedelic parts. im working for the last 6 months on more heavy metal crossover , and thank you for uploading. it really inspires me, love from a banana
I'm glad you enjoyed it. It's just a little different compared to my usual attempts. It means a lot that I was able to inspire you.
As far as what I used, I'm assuming you mean software for the guitars, etc.
For the guitars I used Shreddage II and III. For the bass guitar I used Native Instruments Rickenbacker. The amp sims are from Line 6's Pod Farm 2. The synth effect in the intro, outro, and scattered in a few places here and there I made using Sylenth1. The drums are Easy Drummer metal kit.
I hope that answers your question.
Big V, Bringing the Prog, I'm Bringing the Bug Spray. I hate Locusts. Bass reminds me of Floyd's "Run like Hell" I Love the slow build of guitar treatments with a subtle than not so subtle wah. Even some Nu-metal elements in there. Dark as ever, I agree with the Tool refs. Needs a Vox that has its upper end and lower end quashed , just give that mid-range with a slight overdrive. Always a pleasure mate! Interesting ending. Fav'd
I'm not a fan of Locusts either. Or cicadas. Noisy ass bastards. That's kind of why I made this. This is the heart of Cicada season, and that's all I hear, all the time. I'm looking really freakin' forward to the end of summer, (among many other reasons), when they go the fuck away. Crickets can join 'em, too.
I think I know what you mean about the vocals. If what I'm imagining what you're trying to convey, that would sound good. Kind of like singing through a megaphone sound?
Contrary to my last tracks message, I've been toying with the idea of feeding my voice into one of those AI voice things to lay down on some of my tracks. It's just a matter of finding a good one that isn't going to cost me an arm and a leg in subscription fees, or free ones that don't absolutely suck. We'll see I guess.
Take care, Steve.
Aaron
Bro, IDK wat to even say except omfg. Sick shit. I do hear Tool a little bit, but do u remember the band Helmet? The riffs remind me of them a bit too. I agree with Dime, metal is underrepresented here. But ur representing in spades. Some of my fav stuff I've found here in recent memory has been yours. I really wish I could find the CDs I made with the band I was in years (centuries?) ago just to show it to u, man. I straight up love your work, u won't have to convince me to check out whatever u upload, thats for sure. Thanks for sharing Aaron. - The other Aaron
I do remember Helmet. At least, I remember there was a band called Helmet. I know I've heard them, but I can't for the life of me, without looking them up, remember what they sound like. I know they had a couple big songs.
I'm honored to know that you like my work enough to deem it as some of your favorites here. That in itself is encouraging. So, thank you for that!
If you do find that CD, you'll have to upload some. I'd love to hear it.
Thanks again, man. I appreciate it.
Aaron
I would like to use vocals. But unfortunately, my voice just isn't what it used to be back in the day, and what I hear in my head when making this isn't something that just anyone can do. But, if anyone ever does come along that can do it, I will definitely cut a new edit and re-upload it.
Thanks for taking the time, man. I appreciate it.
Take care.
V
This is fire as f*ck my boy lol, I get strong tool vibes from this especially in the intro sections. I dont know if you consider that a compliment or not xD that bassline and riffing is sick and fits the rhythms you chose well. Well done.
Dusty, how ya doin?
First, thank you. I'm glad you liked it. It's a little different from most of my stuff.
It's funny you mentioned Tool, (it is a compliment, btw.), I've always liked them, but I never thought, "I want to sound like that." It just kind of happened. I suppose after 30 something years of listening to a band, it's going to filter in at some point, huh?
Thanks again, man. I truly appreciate it!
Take care.
V.
Oh man this is awesome. Tapping on my phone so tedious to write anything substantial. It's exactly as your describe it, only much better. That bass is fantastic, guitars incredible. A most excellent composition. Tumeke bro. Cheers Zoot.
Hi Aaron my friend...I hear you're still in excellent form..:) Impossible to overlook your trademark style. Powerful piece of metal as always...keep 'em coming !:)
Leon, hello! I was pleasantly surprised to see you had stopped by this morning. It has been awhile. Thank you for listening. I know it's not your preferred genre, so it means just a little extra when you do.
Good to see you, my friend.
Aaron
I couldn't help but continue with a few more comments on this bro. You know how we always liked to dig deeper into the recording sides of these things. Is this a combined live and virtual guitar? You killed it with the drums and bass here and I was really happy to hear the synth even though it was sparse. This really charged me up bro, so stoked to see another track from you. The older stuff is/was great but there is definite polish here man. Whatever sauce you applied, its tangy, and I dig it! Who knows you just might have inspired ol' Neo to dust off the cob webs! Stay tuned.
Fuckin' do it man!! I would LOVE to hear some new Neomorphus here! That and these new kids need a taste of what made this site what it is!
I'm happy to hear that the drums and bass were good. Those were always parts I had trouble getting more creative with. Especially the drums. The bass does have the "One of These Days" sound to it. It wasn't intentional, but when Pink Floyd is sustenance beyond music, that's gonna happen.
The guitar is all Shreddage 2 & 3. The bass is NI's Rickenbacker. Our Mr. Cunningham once said, years ago, in a comment somewhere that VST gutiars are good for accents, or back up, but they can't be used as the main instrument. To a degree, he's absolutely correct. But, none the less, I took that as a challenge! That, and my Warlock has some wiring issues that leave it unplayable at the moment.
Thank you for listening, man. I always greatly appreciate your opinion and feedback.
Take care, brother.
Aaron
I have to say this came as quite a nice surprise on an otherwise boring Sunday afternoon. Honestly I have had recent thoughts of the time when we were among the current group of music makers here. And the thought did cross my mind if the ValveDriver might still have inclinations to pour out a little more of his soul for us. I'm happy to now know the answer.
This track put a smile on my face quickly with just those first few notes sounding a tad similar to Pink Floyds "One of These Days" from the Meddle album. Of course this track takes a distinctly different path. It became immediately apparent that the bass line was going to play an important role and here again Pink Floyd-esque. This build up section is not only notable but so very integral to the overall track. Such tasty heavy rhythm ensues as it progresses into the groove, you've really polished your chops and changeups. Love the wah usage! Not enough space here but, Thx Aaron, U made my day bro!
I love the rhythm wow!!! I love the guitar.
Yess i like this style.
1 time i didd make something like this om magig music maker before i start on Lm.
It is a cool track but it where loops so i cant be proud on it.
You can be proud!!!
Im on my phone so i cant see the minutes.
But that guitar in the end is so cool.
Intro and outro also.
Good work Aaron.
Thank you, Rita! I appreciate you taking the time to listen and comment. I'm glad you liked it!
That's the cool thing about FL studio, you can easily make your own loops, and then use them as needed, or tweak them individually. By the time I'm done with one of these metal songs, my playlist looks like somebody had a confetti party all over it with all the little notes, and drum hits, and this-n-thats in the loops.
Thank you again, Rita.
Take care.
Aaron
Aaron its refreshing to hear something different, metal is under represented on here, it was never my thing growing up, i appreciate it more now, the guitar riffs the basslines great musicians, this has big sound and was a great listen with plenty of change ups to keep the interest, great vibe too im zoned out
Metal is under represented on here. I agree completely. I started listening to metal in sometime around 1985. Back when it was still in it's infancy. Everyone always said, "you'll grow out of it." The joke's on them! Here it is almost 40 years later and I still love it just as much as day one!
I'm glad you liked the song even though it's not exactly your preferred genre. Thanks for taking the time to listen to it, brother. As always, I appreciate the comment as well.
Woo hoo - killer of a track - great metal composition, love those guitars and very cool spoken word. Resonating with me after its stopped which is always a sign to me that the artist has got it right
I hear Ministry and even some early Nine Inch nails here in places. But overall, Its its own thing. Certainly isnt alot like it, at least not mainstream. Ill make my way through your work slowly but surely. It has definitely made an impression on me. The breakdown + drop was awesome. Love this one. - Aaron
Aaron, how ya doin'?
It' interesting that you hear Ministry and NIN. I had no intentions of giving this an industrial sound. But, now that I go back and listen to it again, I can hear it too. I guess it's inevitable that my influences are going to show up whether I mean to or not. Not so much NIN, I wasn't ever really a fan of Reznor, but Ministry...for sure. One of my all time favorites.
I'm honored that my work has had an impact on you. That's always good to hear.
While you're working your way through my work, just be ready for a wide variety of sounds. All of which tending to lean on the darker side, but a total wide spectrum of...we'll call them Genres.
Anyhow, I'm glad you're diggin' it, man. That means a lot.
Holee shyt....this is awesome. My musical journey began as the guitarist in a garage metal band when I was 16 years old, and even though most of my work these days is completely different, i still wear those influences. Ive had a side project in mind involving Industrial Metal recently, and this makes me want to dive right into that and get it going. I havent heard anything like this in years, this is excellent work.
Thanks, man. I'm glad you liked it.
I say do it. Dive in and do the shit out of it, brother. Bring your side project to the forefront and knock that fucker out of the park! Uncle Al didn't pioneer the way for side projects. But, you know, only if you want to. But, if you do, I want to hear it.
That's all for now. Take care, man.
V.
This sounds really cool, and with the back story, it gives the elements you've chosen more context. I like that you have the peaceful nature sounds for the softer parts. It sparked an idea of adding storm and wind nature affects along the harder parts of the song
I'm glad you liked the tune. The PNW, man. Home truly is where the heart is, ya know?
As far as the storm and wind for the harder sections, I actually did try it in a couple spots. But with the distortion of the guitars and all the drums, it was just extra noise that crowded up the mix, so I opted to leave it out. Trust me, it's much better this way.
Thanks again for taking the time to listen and comment. I appreciate it.
Take care.
V.
Hello ValveDriver
I do not know how exactly I will write about your music, and that is because I do not often listen to this genre. It surely is of dystopian character, very cinematic to my ears and of course extremely intense. Clear sound and vocals that satisfy the listener through out the song.
AI is already in our lives. I only wish it stays an excellent help in our hands. Going beyond this will drive us to such a bad situation as this you describe with your notes.
I wish you the best, Anthony
Anthony, thank you for taking the time.
I'm glad you enjoyed this even though it's not your genre of preference. That means a lot to me.
AI is in fact already in our lives. For the most part, from what I've seen, it's been for a useful and helpful cause. But knowing how mankind works, I fear it's only a matter of time until it's used for the wrong reasons.
on Electric Cicada by ValveDriver
it did sound awesome on my stereo as well by the way, cheers!
on Electric Cicada by ValveDriver
just listened to this on headphones while having my hedonistic coffee & jazz cigarette 'breakfast'. still haven't slept sadly but there's no going back at this time now.
holy moly, that was an intense trip indeed. clean and well-balanced yet energetic sound. outstanding mix which i think made it even more engaging.
i enjoy slow build-ups, so i never wished it would progress quicker. through the headphones i noticed how every sound has its own space and similar frequencies of different sounds don't get in the way of each other.
man, the low-end sounds nuts on my headphones. did you use a high-pass on the instrument buses besides bass and drums, i presume?
the bass felt mighty and went straight into my skull and bones. impressive energy when it takes off shortly before the 3 min mark.
I do the same thing with the drums. Each piece has it's own mixer track where they are EQ'd and then sent to the bus. Same process as the guitars. After they all go to the master I just boost the levels and if I need to, I use a compressor, a little saturation and a limiter. I think the mixing and tweaking take longer than building the track itself. Which is fine, that's the part I enjoy the most.
on Electric Cicada by ValveDriver
when you layer those distorted instruments that have been recorded, do you have to pay attention to the phase and manually nudge waveforms depending on their phase offset or is that obsolete these days in FL?
listen, i am by no means a connoisseur when it comes to this kind of mixing and mastering plus i haven't slept in a while. still, to me that sounds ready to go.
that was a blast! going to listen on speakers next to compare.
I really appreciate you taking to time to listen, and to comment so thoroughly. I hope I was able to adequately answer your questions.
Let me know how it sounded on the speakers. I have to admit, I was a little lazy with this one as far as checking against all my different systems. So, some levels may be a little too much, or too little.
Thank you for taking the time, man. I do appreciate it.
Take care.
V.
on Electric Cicada by ValveDriver
As far as what I used, I'm assuming you mean software for the guitars, etc.
For the guitars I used Shreddage II and III. For the bass guitar I used Native Instruments Rickenbacker. The amp sims are from Line 6's Pod Farm 2. The synth effect in the intro, outro, and scattered in a few places here and there I made using Sylenth1. The drums are Easy Drummer metal kit.
I hope that answers your question.
Take care.
V.
on Electric Cicada by ValveDriver
I think I know what you mean about the vocals. If what I'm imagining what you're trying to convey, that would sound good. Kind of like singing through a megaphone sound?
Contrary to my last tracks message, I've been toying with the idea of feeding my voice into one of those AI voice things to lay down on some of my tracks. It's just a matter of finding a good one that isn't going to cost me an arm and a leg in subscription fees, or free ones that don't absolutely suck. We'll see I guess.
Take care, Steve.
Aaron
on Electric Cicada by ValveDriver
I'm honored to know that you like my work enough to deem it as some of your favorites here. That in itself is encouraging. So, thank you for that!
If you do find that CD, you'll have to upload some. I'd love to hear it.
Thanks again, man. I appreciate it.
Aaron
on Electric Cicada by ValveDriver
Thanks for taking the time, man. I appreciate it.
Take care.
V
on Electric Cicada by ValveDriver
First, thank you. I'm glad you liked it. It's a little different from most of my stuff.
It's funny you mentioned Tool, (it is a compliment, btw.), I've always liked them, but I never thought, "I want to sound like that." It just kind of happened. I suppose after 30 something years of listening to a band, it's going to filter in at some point, huh?
Thanks again, man. I truly appreciate it!
Take care.
V.
on Electric Cicada by ValveDriver
Take care.
V.
on Electric Cicada by ValveDriver
Compliments,
Leon
Good to see you, my friend.
Aaron
on Electric Cicada by ValveDriver
I'm happy to hear that the drums and bass were good. Those were always parts I had trouble getting more creative with. Especially the drums. The bass does have the "One of These Days" sound to it. It wasn't intentional, but when Pink Floyd is sustenance beyond music, that's gonna happen.
The guitar is all Shreddage 2 & 3. The bass is NI's Rickenbacker. Our Mr. Cunningham once said, years ago, in a comment somewhere that VST gutiars are good for accents, or back up, but they can't be used as the main instrument. To a degree, he's absolutely correct. But, none the less, I took that as a challenge! That, and my Warlock has some wiring issues that leave it unplayable at the moment.
Thank you for listening, man. I always greatly appreciate your opinion and feedback.
Take care, brother.
Aaron
on Electric Cicada by ValveDriver
This track put a smile on my face quickly with just those first few notes sounding a tad similar to Pink Floyds "One of These Days" from the Meddle album. Of course this track takes a distinctly different path. It became immediately apparent that the bass line was going to play an important role and here again Pink Floyd-esque. This build up section is not only notable but so very integral to the overall track. Such tasty heavy rhythm ensues as it progresses into the groove, you've really polished your chops and changeups. Love the wah usage! Not enough space here but, Thx Aaron, U made my day bro!
on Electric Cicada by ValveDriver
On magic music maker before i start on fl studio lol.
on Electric Cicada by ValveDriver
Yess i like this style.
1 time i didd make something like this om magig music maker before i start on Lm.
It is a cool track but it where loops so i cant be proud on it.
You can be proud!!!
Im on my phone so i cant see the minutes.
But that guitar in the end is so cool.
Intro and outro also.
Good work Aaron.
That's the cool thing about FL studio, you can easily make your own loops, and then use them as needed, or tweak them individually. By the time I'm done with one of these metal songs, my playlist looks like somebody had a confetti party all over it with all the little notes, and drum hits, and this-n-thats in the loops.
Thank you again, Rita.
Take care.
Aaron
on Electric Cicada by ValveDriver
I'm glad you liked the song even though it's not exactly your preferred genre. Thanks for taking the time to listen to it, brother. As always, I appreciate the comment as well.
Take care.
Aaron
on AI Is Sex And violence by ValveDriver
I'm glad you like it, and certainly appreciate you taking time for the comment.
on AI Is Sex And violence by ValveDriver
on Freakshow - Cirque Du Valve Mix by ValveDriver
It' interesting that you hear Ministry and NIN. I had no intentions of giving this an industrial sound. But, now that I go back and listen to it again, I can hear it too. I guess it's inevitable that my influences are going to show up whether I mean to or not. Not so much NIN, I wasn't ever really a fan of Reznor, but Ministry...for sure. One of my all time favorites.
I'm honored that my work has had an impact on you. That's always good to hear.
While you're working your way through my work, just be ready for a wide variety of sounds. All of which tending to lean on the darker side, but a total wide spectrum of...we'll call them Genres.
Anyhow, I'm glad you're diggin' it, man. That means a lot.
Take care.
Aaron (also!)
on AI Is Sex And violence by ValveDriver
on AI Is Sex And violence by ValveDriver
I say do it. Dive in and do the shit out of it, brother. Bring your side project to the forefront and knock that fucker out of the park! Uncle Al didn't pioneer the way for side projects. But, you know, only if you want to. But, if you do, I want to hear it.
That's all for now. Take care, man.
V.
on Moss Mother Part 1 - Sun by ValveDriver
I'm glad you liked the tune. The PNW, man. Home truly is where the heart is, ya know?
As far as the storm and wind for the harder sections, I actually did try it in a couple spots. But with the distortion of the guitars and all the drums, it was just extra noise that crowded up the mix, so I opted to leave it out. Trust me, it's much better this way.
Thanks again for taking the time to listen and comment. I appreciate it.
Take care.
V.
on Moss Mother Part 1 - Sun by ValveDriver
on AI Is Sex And violence by ValveDriver
on AI Is Sex And violence by ValveDriver
on AI Is Sex And violence by ValveDriver
I do not know how exactly I will write about your music, and that is because I do not often listen to this genre. It surely is of dystopian character, very cinematic to my ears and of course extremely intense. Clear sound and vocals that satisfy the listener through out the song.
AI is already in our lives. I only wish it stays an excellent help in our hands. Going beyond this will drive us to such a bad situation as this you describe with your notes.
I wish you the best, Anthony
I'm glad you enjoyed this even though it's not your genre of preference. That means a lot to me.
AI is in fact already in our lives. For the most part, from what I've seen, it's been for a useful and helpful cause. But knowing how mankind works, I fear it's only a matter of time until it's used for the wrong reasons.
Thanks again, and take care.
V.