After you reviewd my track I was very curious what you have put on here. I knew from your knowledgable review that you know what you are doing and I wasn't dissapointed. First of all I don't know in what genre to put this. But it is unique in its own way! Really love how this track evolves and evolves from heavy rock into a very tensionfilled bridge working into the more metally vibe. Feels like an explosion of energy. The crisp clear mix defeintely helps with this. I especially love how you panned your instrumenst to give them more space to shine. With a stereo imager you really see how you expanded the sound to make it very full and clear! Nothing is overscreaming eachother which can happen fast when mixing guitars and drums. All in all this is just a very special piece of music and I will listen to it a few more times, as I can learn from this a lot!
Mudhoen, Hey, sorry for the late reply. The work week tends to use up all of my time for anything other than eating and sleeping.
I think as far as genres go, I would ultimately describe it as heavy progressive rock. But, metal works for this site.
Mixing metal is definitely a tricky one. Getting all of the frequencies to sit where they need to and mind their manors takes some practice. I have a decent grasp on the concept and theory, but the application still leaves room for improvement.
I truly appreciate you taking the time, and leaving a thoughtful, and encouraging comment. It helps me keep on it.
Take care.
V.
It feels like the drums want to be from different genres. There are cool, ripping ones in the middle and slow ones at the end. It adds variety. I liked it. The only thing is that the percussion in the middle is very distracting. I think it's a bit unnecessary.
Hello, Alex.
Seeing your comments on other tracks has led me to believe that tact is undeniably not your strong suit. Therefore, I take your feedback with a grain. Although I appreciate what you're attempting to say, I can't help but wonder if you have a severe lack of understanding of what Heavy Metal is, and what it's mostly comprised of.
It seems to me that if you find drums beyond four on the floor to be distracting, then perhaps you should avoid any Metal tracks in the future. Otherwise, you're inviting inevitable frustration and disappointment into your life.
None the less, I appreciate your feedback, however misguided it may be.
Take care.
V.
Thank you, Zoot. As the creator of this one, I don't think I'll get tired of hearing "Epic". lol I appreciate you taking the time to listen and comment. Thank you again..
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Absolutely epic. And it made me realise I really should consider to work with tools like ezdrummer or superior drummer. Those drums make a YUGE difference over my standard Ableton packs.
I assume you can use them with midi, so I can still drum on my kit, then transform it in such a tool?
Anyway. Your track survived 6 years with ease. Congrats and happy new year!
Bao, how are you?
I would suggest it. Highly. I still have the first edition of Ezdrummer and it still gets the job done. I imagine by now the newer versions are even better and have much cleaner workflow. If you end up pulling the trigger and getting one, let me know what you got and if you like it.
Happy new year to you as well!
Take care.
V.
I should've known from the waveform image that you were about to blast us to Mars! Almost blew my ears off, man. But this is goodso good. Great work on those instruments. You rock
Yeah, the waveform really is kind of a brick, huh? Either way, I appreciate you taking the time to listen, and leave kind words. Thank you.
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V.
Hi there ValveD.....when you think of heavy metal music this is like the poster child to the genre....it's a great example of true heavy metal. Im more of a ambient chillout soft acoustic type person but on occasion it helps to listen to other genres just because. If you're inclined to do so......there's something unique in all forms. This track personified heavy metal and is well done.
Glenn, I appreciate you taking the time to listen and comment. Especially since it isn't your genre of choice. I do agree with your thought on listening to genres outside of your normal box. There is always something to be learned and quite possibly incorporated into the genre you do prefer.
Thank you again.
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That's awesome, my friend. I have been listening to quite a bit of Ride the Lightning by Metallica lately. The Trio of " Ride the Lightning,"" For Whom the Bell Tolls," and "Fade to Black" is the optimal turning point for metal and such a groundbreaking trio of songs on an album that's only 46 minutes. and 8 songs.
You perfectly capture the dark underbelly of this genre. And you know I appreciate that Darkness you evoke. It is always a pleasure to listen to your work.
Thank you, Steve. I appreciate it. That is definitely one thing we've both enjoyed from each other. The dark underbelly of whatever we choose to do musically.
I think the early 80s were a pivotal point for a lot of things. But, as far as metal goes, absolutely. I know at this point, it's almost cliche, but I credit Cliff Burton for a lot of what we have today. It was his influence on James and the boys that brought out the music we got from them. In turn, they as a band influenced so many others. I mean, there were definitely others that had a huge impact. But, yes, Ride The Lightning specifically is an iconic album. Everything up to ...AJFA was, really. After that, the mainstream kind of caught up to their sound, and grunge was coming in hard. They sort of just started blending in to the background at that point. I'll always have a soft spot for them, but I almost never listen to them anymore. Maybe I should dust off the old vinyls and take them for a spin, huh?
Take care,my friend.
V
This is deep and dark, love it mate, even though I'm not generally a metalhead (though my 13 yr old son has discovered Metallica so I'm getting a lot of that at the moment - but it's good). There was a wind blowing through my head when that section started at 3.26, that was awesome. I'm sure I've heard the name Alan Watts, but don't really know what he was about. I did see this quote though which resonated - "The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. To have faith is to trust yourself to the water. When you swim you don't grab hold of the water, because if you do you will sink and drown". There's a similar Herman Hesse quote like that too (maybe from Steppenwolf), which I always remembered. Most men will not swim before they are able to. Is that not witty? Naturally, they won't swim! They are born for the solid earth, not for the water. And naturally they wont think. They are made for life, not for thought. Yes, and he who thinks, whats more, he who makes thought his business, he may go far in it, but he has bartered the solid earth for the water all the same, and one day he will drown.
Thank you, sir. I appreciate it.
It's funny, I was 13 when I discovered Metallica. But that was a long, long time ago.
Alan Watts has a lot of very thought-provoking and profound things to say. He's definitely worth checking into if you're into much deeper thinking and philosophy.
"Most men will not swim before they are able to." That is good. It kind of reminds me of "Sleep is for the weak." Of course it is. Why else would you be sleeping, if not just to dream?
Thank you again for stopping by.
Take care.
V
One question that came to my mind was if you had created the music before or after listening to this choir, but you have already answered this, in one of your replies. So I will ask you, do you consider it possible that this hearing could have driven you to writing the music for Shapen In Wickedness? The question actually comes from the way that everything fits so right in your song as if one was made for the other and I mean your music and the choir singing.
Anyway, it is an excellent work with a powerful outcome especially for the admirers of this genre (I mean the darker mood of your composition)
Best wishes, Anthony
Anthony, that is a great question.
The short answer is that it was a happy accident.
The long answer is, when I was working on this I felt that it needed something more. Something powerful but elegant as well. I have listened to Miserere mei, Deus many times in the past, and thought it would be a good fit. So I loaded it up and like you said, it's like they were made for each other. It wasn't my intent to use this when I started working on it, so I was pleasantly surprised when I realized that both pieces are in the key of G, and the beats were only off by a couple bpms. It was such a small adjustment, that it didn't affect the sound of my track. There were things I already had in there that ended up lining up perfectly with parts of the choir. So, total coincidence.
I suppose there could have been a subconscious inspiration, but I really think it just worked out how it did out of pure luck.
Thank you for taking the time to listen and leave a great and thoughtful comment. I truly appreciate it.
Take care.
V.
You will. I have no doubt. But, I have to say, I really like your style. I love how you're able to do so much to get such a full sound with such minimal amounts of instruments. I can give you pointers someday if you ever have questions on how to achieve this kind of thing.
Thank you Rita! I'm glad you enjoyed this one as much as you did. This one is what Valvedriver sounded like in the beginning. (but better). I'm working on a few of them that have more of this sound. Stay tuned!
Take care.
V.
the comment section is appalling on this site, quite frankly the restrictions are a stupid idea the place is a shambles everyone's give up on it the update is absolutely garbage it says 3000 for a reply i get the limit exceeds 1000 then underneath min3 max3000 WTF admin are shite and aren't interested there more interested in their sponsors than the people and artist that give them the money they make, all we get is a useless platform with pretty colours its about to die a death in my opinion
Yeah. There are a lot of bugs since the update. But I don't really think it's going to die. At least I hope not. I guess that depends one whether or not Shan listens to the people and makes some changes accordingly. I guess we'll see.
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I think as far as genres go, I would ultimately describe it as heavy progressive rock. But, metal works for this site.
Mixing metal is definitely a tricky one. Getting all of the frequencies to sit where they need to and mind their manors takes some practice. I have a decent grasp on the concept and theory, but the application still leaves room for improvement.
I truly appreciate you taking the time, and leaving a thoughtful, and encouraging comment. It helps me keep on it.
Take care.
V.
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Seeing your comments on other tracks has led me to believe that tact is undeniably not your strong suit. Therefore, I take your feedback with a grain. Although I appreciate what you're attempting to say, I can't help but wonder if you have a severe lack of understanding of what Heavy Metal is, and what it's mostly comprised of.
It seems to me that if you find drums beyond four on the floor to be distracting, then perhaps you should avoid any Metal tracks in the future. Otherwise, you're inviting inevitable frustration and disappointment into your life.
None the less, I appreciate your feedback, however misguided it may be.
Take care.
V.
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Simply awesome bro.
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V.
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This is so cool.
the building up is great.
And i love the parts when its chill and then you start with the real thing.
Take care.
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I assume you can use them with midi, so I can still drum on my kit, then transform it in such a tool?
Anyway. Your track survived 6 years with ease. Congrats and happy new year!
I would suggest it. Highly. I still have the first edition of Ezdrummer and it still gets the job done. I imagine by now the newer versions are even better and have much cleaner workflow. If you end up pulling the trigger and getting one, let me know what you got and if you like it.
Happy new year to you as well!
Take care.
V.
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Thank you again.
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V.
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V.
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You perfectly capture the dark underbelly of this genre. And you know I appreciate that Darkness you evoke. It is always a pleasure to listen to your work.
I think the early 80s were a pivotal point for a lot of things. But, as far as metal goes, absolutely. I know at this point, it's almost cliche, but I credit Cliff Burton for a lot of what we have today. It was his influence on James and the boys that brought out the music we got from them. In turn, they as a band influenced so many others. I mean, there were definitely others that had a huge impact. But, yes, Ride The Lightning specifically is an iconic album. Everything up to ...AJFA was, really. After that, the mainstream kind of caught up to their sound, and grunge was coming in hard. They sort of just started blending in to the background at that point. I'll always have a soft spot for them, but I almost never listen to them anymore. Maybe I should dust off the old vinyls and take them for a spin, huh?
Take care,my friend.
V
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It's funny, I was 13 when I discovered Metallica. But that was a long, long time ago.
Alan Watts has a lot of very thought-provoking and profound things to say. He's definitely worth checking into if you're into much deeper thinking and philosophy.
"Most men will not swim before they are able to." That is good. It kind of reminds me of "Sleep is for the weak." Of course it is. Why else would you be sleeping, if not just to dream?
Thank you again for stopping by.
Take care.
V
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Anyway, it is an excellent work with a powerful outcome especially for the admirers of this genre (I mean the darker mood of your composition)
Best wishes, Anthony
The short answer is that it was a happy accident.
The long answer is, when I was working on this I felt that it needed something more. Something powerful but elegant as well. I have listened to Miserere mei, Deus many times in the past, and thought it would be a good fit. So I loaded it up and like you said, it's like they were made for each other. It wasn't my intent to use this when I started working on it, so I was pleasantly surprised when I realized that both pieces are in the key of G, and the beats were only off by a couple bpms. It was such a small adjustment, that it didn't affect the sound of my track. There were things I already had in there that ended up lining up perfectly with parts of the choir. So, total coincidence.
I suppose there could have been a subconscious inspiration, but I really think it just worked out how it did out of pure luck.
Thank you for taking the time to listen and leave a great and thoughtful comment. I truly appreciate it.
Take care.
V.
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I love it!!!
This is just amazing..what can i say more...heads off mister!!
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