I think why you may not be happy with this is that it is missing a solid bass groove to hold the rhythm together. Without it it sounds very ambient eclectic. I know the type of dance music you like in the clubs and maybe gear the bass and percussion towards that and you will be satisfied!
Steve
Hi Steve!
Yes, it's the bass missing and also the overall state of the mix and mastering.
It's too long also...a lot of flaws really!
I need to look in to that bass groove thing more closely, I still have a lot to learn about that.
Nice remix, With Emily's voice and your very house-industrial-minimal approach to the song I was reminded of "How to Destroy Angels" With Trent Rezor and his wife. Good idea and work so far. i would want you to build with somes strings or pads toward the last 3rd of the song and build it up to something fantastic and then bring it back down to the beautifuly simple percussion. Then it might be something else... IMHO.
Steve
Let me be the first to comment, what a great cause to champion, and what a great job you have done making music that is so emotional and dissonant and in your face..great Job my Friend Behnam...you inspire me when you do something like this. f@@@ing awesome!!!!!!!
Steve
"Thanks for your very kind words and I'd be interested to hear how you think my music has made you a better musician. I feel it's sufficiently interesting, diverse, unusual and creative stuff to inspire quite a few people. If only they get the chance to hear it! It's predominantly Loopermen/ladies/hermaphrodites who currently do that though I hope that will change when I get round to releasing some actual proper albums. "
How you make me a better musician is not exactly about music itself...it's because you as a musician are purely Authentic. You don't do this for the ego you do this for the love of what you create. You also take chances as a musician but again not to make others happy but to satisfy what you like about what you recorded in the first place. so what you do is remind me that Music is about making sounds that appeal to yourself and not always others. It's nice to have positive feedback, but do you like what you created is really the most important factor. Sometimes I have too remind myself that that is more important than making a track that appeals to this group or that, and so i take chances by making music that I want to hear myself. So maybe it's a mambo, or maybe a techno tune, or some self indulgent wah porn sound...but ultimately I wanted to listen to that!
The development I hear from you is subtle but is in the mixes themselves and there is a slight sense of musical .. dare I say understanding from you. Your brain is processing music theory whether you like it or not.
Steve
Good answer and you are right, without ever having met me, that I make the music I make largely to please myself.
Actually, it's not even that. It's more like an explorer (not so many about these days as most of the world has been 'discovered') who goes looking for new places just to see what's there, not in order to necessarily have a good time or gain renown as an intrepid traveller.
So, I'm just constantly exploring the musical and sonic soundscape and every track your hear of mine is just that. There's no specific 'here's me doing this genre' track though obviously I have to explore some recognisable genres. I'm hardly good even to invent completely unheard of music. It's all based on stuff that's already been done but I like to think I combine things in unique ways.
I've heard so much music over the years and there's so much that bores me so I have to make something I haven't really heard. Not make a half decent version of a genre just so I can say "Hey, here I am doing ___".
I'm oddly inspired by boring unadventurous music as well as
stuff that is good but could have been so much better. I analyse the ways I would have done it differently and then eventually introduce those improvements and innovations into what I do.
I believe I have good taste in music (ie appreciation of other people's stuff). If I like one of my tracks, I feel confident at leas some others will. So, please myself as much as I can and then I'll probably end up with something good and different. Always room for improvement and I'm my own harshest critic.
I'm always curious to hear what people make of my stuff and that's why I value your intelligent and interesting feedback. Far too little of that on this site - real disappointment for me.
I had a good track on Mixposure a couple of years ago that about 5-10 people really loved. Not one word of criticism! But I've since found so many errors and corrected most of them and produced such a better end product. But if I'd just sat around thinking "Oh yeah, this is so great and everyone else is telling me just that. I rule!" I would never have made those crucial improvements.
The main reason I like my stuff to be liked is so that I can eventually somehow attract decent collaborators (in person, not online) and bandmembers and take what I do to the next few levels.
Love the progression of this, Great tune Steve, I enjoyed this. Great build it then a minimalist middle section. Tehn you rebuild it all back up again. very chill and very nice.
I am enjoying a nice glass of Madeira listening to this. This has some nice elements of chill and haunting dissonance in the background which I like. Guitar is cool with the wave of bass and sounds (maybe a slight bit muddy in the mix from your usual clarity). Percussion at 2:10 is nice. from a musical standpoint I like how you move from minor to major in the key. You can really see the evolution in your composing ability from the last 3 years. Easy to get lost in this tune mentally. Like the synths at 5:35. There are bird like echoes of sounds that make this interesting. As you said short for you but It's a good contrast to listen to this and see how far you have developed recently and how much of a talent you really are,. I have to say that I am glad to have heard your music and because of listening to it...it makes me a better musician. For that I am grateful.
Warm regards.
Steve
This was actually made specifically for madeira drinkers currently residing in Canada.
Thanks for your very kind words and I'd be interested to hear how you think my music has made you a better musician. I feel it's sufficiently interesting, diverse, unusual and creative stuff to inspire quite a few people. If only they get the chance to hear it! It's predominantly Loopermen/ladies/hermaphrodites who currently do that though I hope that will change when I get round to releasing some actual proper albums.
Yes, guitar had better be cool as there's a lot of it here. The playing's fine but there are some problems with the sound (the effects were recorded with the parts so can't be altered later) which has resulted in a slightly muddy mix. I agree but there's maybe not much I can do to fix that. But I bet a better 'mix-rescue' type of engineer could.
Guess it does move from minor to major though hadn't consciously thought about it before but I think I know where you mean (roughly as the drums change from acoustic to electronic).
Background dissonance adds a real weird vibe to this that I like. Strange sort of evolving synth sound there that's not easy to control. Also used in jazz to d'n'b track you have heard called Think Big, Feel Small (bass too as one track came out of the other). Non-grooving bass sits nicely in this. Must use more legato, grooveless bass!
The pads are sampled slide guitar stuff with slow attack and loads of delay. Heavenly sound I have used in many tracks.
Not sure what you mean about my evolving composing ability. I made this in 2007, just tarted it up this year. I agree that I have improved a lot in the last few years (getting Superior/EZ Drummer, faster computer, using EQ etc) though not necessarily in terms of ideas - just in how to get them out better and present them in a tidyish format. Also not improved instrument playing.
Maybe there are birdlike echoes in this - possibly from the spectral delay plugin used on some guitar parts (which also muddies up the mix). You know I have used actual birdsong (from my garden) in about 5 tracks?
I would like to do more tracks like this - fewer instruments, shorter length, not such big changes. But I also like the crazy journeys.
Nice work bye the way!...but it's not sad to me, maybe slightly melancholy, but in a reflective way. It's a thinking ambient song...a piece that will spark new ideas. Love the oboe (English Horn)like sounds. Songs like this or like Music from Roxy Music and Brian Eno have always peaked my musical sensibilities. It's not Destructive but Reflective.
Steve
You won't believe it, but I was just telling Tumbleweed today that I'm considering to add some more oboe in the arrangement...funny indeed:) And I love Roxy and Eno, so mentioning them alongside my song is jut "too much" of a compliment for me. But thx alot Steve...you're always welcome!:)
The synth horn work most impressed me. the distorted synths are interesting but basic distortion, you need to get a guitar processor. and you will have so much fun playing this as the solo is very interesting.
Steve.. good work overall
Nice work, only thing i did not like was the disparity in volume at 9secs and 50 secs, i found that distracting. otherwise you should expand on this one.!
Ahh I heard an effect from the Korg MS2000...nice...chilled served with a Martini and a Martina (hingis perhaps?) ;-) to make your night special. really great job, this is sweetly done with awesome guitar leads!
Xthus
Thankyou cruce,you know your stuff. The Korg synths have been good to me. I'm also a big fan of Hypersonic2,A great variety of instruments and sounds.Thanks again for the listen and kind comments. PEACE. THE MACK MAN OUT.
nice work my friend. I love the sound sort of a female version of simply red in some ways. or maybe not..I have a cold and I took Nyquill! But I did like it.
Steve
Hi Steve and thanks for your comment.. yea it must be your cold and the nyquill you took.. But maybe it sounds just a little bit like his style.. If you don't know me by now tra la la la laaa... That song, same tempo and groove almost.
You have an awesome beginning. now you must complete your journey! (great pads, nice guitars, I hear some midi instruments as well)Organ is pleasant. I look forward to hearing the conclusion of this piece.
Steve
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Yes, it's the bass missing and also the overall state of the mix and mastering.
It's too long also...a lot of flaws really!
I need to look in to that bass groove thing more closely, I still have a lot to learn about that.
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How you make me a better musician is not exactly about music itself...it's because you as a musician are purely Authentic. You don't do this for the ego you do this for the love of what you create. You also take chances as a musician but again not to make others happy but to satisfy what you like about what you recorded in the first place. so what you do is remind me that Music is about making sounds that appeal to yourself and not always others. It's nice to have positive feedback, but do you like what you created is really the most important factor. Sometimes I have too remind myself that that is more important than making a track that appeals to this group or that, and so i take chances by making music that I want to hear myself. So maybe it's a mambo, or maybe a techno tune, or some self indulgent wah porn sound...but ultimately I wanted to listen to that!
The development I hear from you is subtle but is in the mixes themselves and there is a slight sense of musical .. dare I say understanding from you. Your brain is processing music theory whether you like it or not.
Steve
Actually, it's not even that. It's more like an explorer (not so many about these days as most of the world has been 'discovered') who goes looking for new places just to see what's there, not in order to necessarily have a good time or gain renown as an intrepid traveller.
So, I'm just constantly exploring the musical and sonic soundscape and every track your hear of mine is just that. There's no specific 'here's me doing this genre' track though obviously I have to explore some recognisable genres. I'm hardly good even to invent completely unheard of music. It's all based on stuff that's already been done but I like to think I combine things in unique ways.
I've heard so much music over the years and there's so much that bores me so I have to make something I haven't really heard. Not make a half decent version of a genre just so I can say "Hey, here I am doing ___".
I'm oddly inspired by boring unadventurous music as well as
stuff that is good but could have been so much better. I analyse the ways I would have done it differently and then eventually introduce those improvements and innovations into what I do.
I believe I have good taste in music (ie appreciation of other people's stuff). If I like one of my tracks, I feel confident at leas some others will. So, please myself as much as I can and then I'll probably end up with something good and different. Always room for improvement and I'm my own harshest critic.
I'm always curious to hear what people make of my stuff and that's why I value your intelligent and interesting feedback. Far too little of that on this site - real disappointment for me.
I had a good track on Mixposure a couple of years ago that about 5-10 people really loved. Not one word of criticism! But I've since found so many errors and corrected most of them and produced such a better end product. But if I'd just sat around thinking "Oh yeah, this is so great and everyone else is telling me just that. I rule!" I would never have made those crucial improvements.
The main reason I like my stuff to be liked is so that I can eventually somehow attract decent collaborators (in person, not online) and bandmembers and take what I do to the next few levels.
Take care.
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Warm regards.
Steve
Thanks for your very kind words and I'd be interested to hear how you think my music has made you a better musician. I feel it's sufficiently interesting, diverse, unusual and creative stuff to inspire quite a few people. If only they get the chance to hear it! It's predominantly Loopermen/ladies/hermaphrodites who currently do that though I hope that will change when I get round to releasing some actual proper albums.
Yes, guitar had better be cool as there's a lot of it here. The playing's fine but there are some problems with the sound (the effects were recorded with the parts so can't be altered later) which has resulted in a slightly muddy mix. I agree but there's maybe not much I can do to fix that. But I bet a better 'mix-rescue' type of engineer could.
Guess it does move from minor to major though hadn't consciously thought about it before but I think I know where you mean (roughly as the drums change from acoustic to electronic).
Background dissonance adds a real weird vibe to this that I like. Strange sort of evolving synth sound there that's not easy to control. Also used in jazz to d'n'b track you have heard called Think Big, Feel Small (bass too as one track came out of the other). Non-grooving bass sits nicely in this. Must use more legato, grooveless bass!
The pads are sampled slide guitar stuff with slow attack and loads of delay. Heavenly sound I have used in many tracks.
Not sure what you mean about my evolving composing ability. I made this in 2007, just tarted it up this year. I agree that I have improved a lot in the last few years (getting Superior/EZ Drummer, faster computer, using EQ etc) though not necessarily in terms of ideas - just in how to get them out better and present them in a tidyish format. Also not improved instrument playing.
Maybe there are birdlike echoes in this - possibly from the spectral delay plugin used on some guitar parts (which also muddies up the mix). You know I have used actual birdsong (from my garden) in about 5 tracks?
I would like to do more tracks like this - fewer instruments, shorter length, not such big changes. But I also like the crazy journeys.
Thanks again, see you for the next one.
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Steve
I love the distorted sounds too. The kind where 'Truckies' are talking to each other on the road.
:) Peace man.
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Steve.. good work overall
Cheers, Anders.
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Steve
All i know is i try to produce some type of trip.!
So if you enjoyed this then what more can i ask for.!
Enjoyment for me is 100% everything.!
I care not for fame, fortune, or even reconition,but i do care if the time it takes to listen to any of my tracks has been worth it for enjoyment!
Cheers man! ;)
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Rock on Steve...
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