You know.. the depth and whatnot... Dynamics.
Live. Good vibes.
Yeah... I love how it verges on synthesized and also just this live groove.
Attention to bass was MUCH appreciated, and I have been giving a lot of thought to the user create part of the production side, and then the listener side.
Personally I will say that I wanted more bass... MORE lol... that's just the west coast US talkin'...
But I ain't complaining.
The melodic elements, everything.
Professional level man.
Jussss need some vox!
But hell man, this doesn't really "need" it. But it would put it into that commercial territory.
Highly recommended listen, .... I wanna bump yer thread right now lol. I will later on tho.. People should hear this.
Ain't it crazy how much you grow exponentially just hanging around looperman?
hahah hey mate... MORE BASS xD well, i can definitely understand that west coast environment hahah... i could easily push the sub bass layering on this (jus for my west coast crew hahah)...
but really, thanks for the review...
im really hopeful here, pushing to get my mate to spit some lyrics on it.. i have also sent a copy to farisha.. she may come up with something... so it's looking up from here...
thanks in advance for the thread bump LOL.. and ur totally right, looperman has done WONDERS to my production potential.. and it's still improving... such a site... it's ironic you said that, bcz i love that pic in ur gallery of the frequencies to notes correlation... i use it quite often... so thanks heaps... the loop is such and awesome place.
Doesn't sound too daunting, if just not sound designing it to be just like the original?
It's very cool man.
I love the style.. southern drawl... Kinda G Love.... Funk yes my man.
Awesome.
I saw them cats at a festival one time, and he was just chillin on a lawn chair on a stage drinking caronas lol... it was awesome, Cold Beverages.
Hell yea! I'm not gonna lie, I totally gave up on someone redoing this, but I guess it was just waiting for someone worthy of the task. I would be honored to have you redo it. No need for it to sound like the original... Maybe a close BPM would be nice, Other than that have at it! If you need it I'd be more than happy to lay down some harmonica on it (assuming it needs it) Hit me up when you got something going.
I still can't believe you are doing this from your phone!!!
Gah
Like 20 years ago we were all huddled around huge quarter inch reel to reels!!!!!
Anyway
Throw some compression and sidechain a bass and you could fool me heheh.
Plus lest not forget the great 5th and 7th semitone drop which really grooves out the trance melody and bassline.
Needed a bass I think...
Yea...
Good stuff man.. You got a nice taste in the melody.
Drums would need some more layering I would think and "depth" thru 'verb and such....
But I ain't complaining or criticizing, only offering what I heard the birds chirping and relayed the message.
I am no "electronic" producer (at least I don't consider myself) soo these are just opinions as well.
Livid you always offer such great advice man, thankyou.
How would I approach the bass on this? Im so new to it lol.
5th n 7th semitone drop? Like a pitch wheel kind of drop?
I feel you on the drums, theyre simple indeed, need more depth.
Ill get on that Livid, thanks for the listen! perhaps you could check out a battle beat I made called Cherry blossom? Id appreciate you great constructive criticism on that one man.
Thanks again! Ill return the favor :)
I don't think he listens to dubstep... But then again, I can hear that you are using samples, and usually it's better to create the wobbles using an LFO and whatnot.
I liked it man. I like hard shyte.
... Does need some love, but it isn't as bad as bewl makes it sound.
yep, the only drug im on when im making music is the song itself. i was actually really depressed when i made this, and the song brought me up with it. the "illegality" was actually a misunerstanding brought about Piano...er.. M2G. he was talking about how you couldnt use his loops in works sold without permission due to copyright, and in the following conversation it was highlighted that sites that sell loops dont require their permission as long as its royalty free (before i was like, okay, why would i want to buy it again?). but yeah, the loop is so messed up by me you probably cant even tell what origingally was anymore. but yeah, tahnks a bundle man (phew, im getting more in than i can give out with how much im working lately)
On the clip in ableton did you change the complex waveform algorithm to "Complex" instead of "Beat"
Or "Complex Pro"?
I was just saying because I heard some grains being processed?
I just noticed that...
AND
FURTHER MORE.
this has continually evolved?!?!
Wow...
No idea - pretty much default settings at this stage with characteristic tweaking of everything - lol. It's a funny track and to my ears now seems very, very dated. Weird how quickly that can happen.
Thanks again for the review. This is the mastered version, you should hear the mix I made lol. This was a real big learning track. Saw first hand how to use Live much more efficiently and some tricks on how to mix. The description is missing the fact one guitar ran through a Reason 4 effect combinator. Also that Ozone 3, I think, was used aswell. Ozone also is just awesome. Funny thing is I started with the intention of making purely industrial metal or hybrid hip hop stuff. Somewhere I veered off. Not complaining though. Probably got lung cancer from standing at keyboards and controlers smokin a pack and hour lol. Cheers :D
Downtime indeed!
I feel the same way about mine
"I don't feel its finished it's just one of those track that just kinda stays that way I guess."
I kinda look at everything I do as that building block, and I always learn something new every track. Keep pushing and shoveling it, until I get some gold you know?
Edits didn't sound to noticeable?.. You can alleviate any noticeable clicks or pops from edits by going really deep in Record and using a volume fade on them so the cuts on the waveform don't sound audible?
I really dig your style nonetheless... That's the most important thing. You have a feel to your work.
I find that more important than technicalities.
Thanks again for another review man. Yea there are some areas on the edits that have fade in set really short. Its mostly the guitar that, truth be told, was done in multiple pieces. Not really a soloist but I can jam a box(s) here and there. When that click starts counting down though my brain shuts back off. Wish I could say that was a one shot take even with some f'k ups in it. Yea tracks in my mind never are 100% finished. I just never wanna George Lucas them and take the vibe it had away. This will remain a WIP still. Cheers and thanks again man :D
I really like your mixing!
Levels sound wonderful on my headphones. Altho duly noted with your talk with Numberjack... I did feel at times I wanted the drums to "punch" a little more?
Perhaps just a little more there?
I have been using the sidechain function in ableton and getting some good balance in freqs.. but I am that guy trying to mix metal and dnb lol
As far as the aesthetics and sounds.. You rule. I love the coldness and the jungle nod. The glitch synth solo... kinda "tranced" me out!!!
:)
I like your style man!
I am going to check out some more, I noticed you uploaded some more tracks.
It almost doesn't matter what you do, it always sounds sooo fresh and amazing.
Hah! I have these loops I think!
Groooooooovin'.
Really enjoyed the harmonics, such a great subtle thing that all guitarists need to remember! (stealing this for my dnb deathmetal madness lol)
I love how you harmonize with yourself. It's always this voice that doesn't get confused. I can think back on pretty much everything I have of yours on my HD/iPod, and every track is unmistakable and impeccable.
Sooooo awesome.
I won't be having a mojito but this track is just as sweet on my ears!
wow!!!
great that you used the word "subtle" ... I really focus on details, sometimes the two right tones together can do more for a song than complicated chords ... that's how I try to put together my guitar lines (and of course all the other instruments) ... lot of work, but it pays off ...
thx a lot for taking so much time Abe!!
cu, rei
Faved. Awesome.
Dark, eeerie ... Aggressive... Cold...
Yeah.
Awesome.
Definitely the standout track!
Again heard a pad lulling over the top to build some subliminal tension?
Really enjoyed the drum work you have... Definitely going to keep my eye out for your work!
Cool bossanova sample!
Ahh.. reminds me of the days geeking out to Amon Tobin.
Make sure not to forget the balance of the drums on this! Of course probably another personal preference but I "felt" the bass (awesome bass btw) but the drums didn't really touch my ears enough... More kick?
Was thinking about a pad? Something on the long bar to frame some of the musicality going on, and then perhaps segueing your two elements (the bossanova and the break).
Thank you alividlife, as always your advice is spot on. The drums are easily the most neglected part of this track, its because at the moment I'm working with a very talented drummer from Ireland to give my productions more energy and life and Im ashamed to say the drums on my recent uploads were no more than pace setting fillers, keep an ear out for the new version with live drum loops coming in the next few weeks. Would really like to hear your review of the updated tracks.
Yea, I will just say as a producer to another producer, I feel that this is still in the skeleton stage... Yet you have a really strong and quirky/fun skeleton to build on!
I really enjoyed the sounds you chose and agree with all the other reviewers. Some thoughts that immediately popped in my head was most definitely the flute and then delay on that... I just love a wind instrument with delay on it. But that's a personal aesthetic.
Another thought on my mind, was perhaps moving some semitones around so you got more musical movement out of the piece?.. There's always those trusted 5ths and 7ths that work sooo well in electronic music.
I will definitely keep my eye out for this, and I am going to listen to some more of your work!
hehe my twisted mind thinks juxtaposing cold digital elements alongside.
You are really great with vocal manipulations... I just love that man.
It's odd for me.. because as an individual... I feel the context of what you are giving here... There's this spirituality about it. And I hear a lot of the talk with dub and it's spiritual roots. I get that.. that trance thru the transients on the delays and 'verbs giving the sound the largeness.
I really really respect you dubheads.. But I think when it comes to a social order in myself, there's something that screams an internal dissent. I can't explain it.
It must be something about how this track particularly has this incredible way of subduing the listener, as it has with the past few tracks I have heard.... And coming from my background, I like to reach out and just SHAKE the listener.... I really like the idea of tapping into that "spirituality".. almost shamanistic pose in the crossleg... Incense burning.
As a listener ... I had a fantastic feeling of association and disassociation with the music, and my reality.
That kinda experience hearing a piece of music goes beyond a favorite and a thank you.
Awesome stuff man.
Sorry for ranting lol
It's great people are getting the spiritual feel of this piece, i think myself when you hear the original Avonaco chant, he really put his spirit into it...along with n0mads drums which carried some of that spiritual aura he has over his own music...really makes the track what it is...
i was just the medium between these two spirits lol
Really though, glad you got something from the track it was a pleasure to work on. cheers.
Seriously?
Faved. And also thank you for being so gracious to allow D/L.
Hey who did what?
... I have a feeling you did the groundwork and bass and oasis rocked the synths?
I dunno what it is about that girl, but she fkn rocks with melodies. Brilliant stuff.
I am just gonaaaa put this out there, but ... I kinda thought it was a little too wide on the headphones. Reverb?... I think I would have preferred a little dryer/shorter tail.. but that's not a complaint or criticism. Just how I felt listening.
hey there thanks for the fantastic review.. as to who did what.. we both had input on the arrangement, Oasis did the melodies of course lol.. and i did the synth work, drums and effects and what not. I did place some verb on there, you're right.. but i kinda liked it, i think we can put that one down to aesthetics. thanks again for the review there man.. much appreciated.
If You Blow Chunks and She Comes Back, She's Yours. If You Spew and She Bolts, Then It Was Never Meant to Be.
I thought the choice in notes was cool and very interesting. The stabs you quickly do with the organ before the pre-chorus/chorus "we are to be booooorn again" part
(haven't figured that out yet lol)
They sounded a little "forced" ... and I don't mean that in a bad way but it was noticeable enough to make me look at it while I was doing the electric shuffle.
Great job mounting the tension and bringing everything up and up.
I liked how your strings almost sounded like hip-hop stabs.
I know how it goes mixing a lotta different elements and genres together, but I kinda, just as a listener wanted more of that syrupy bass! Maybe a lulling string line / epic pad playing almost 1 bar phrases?... Not a complaint or criticism at all.
thank you!
your ideas about the bass are interesting but my main aim was too keep it simple and i think a new element would make the whole thing a bit to complex
greets
PJB's bass is awesome.... Awesome orchestration.
(Lights lighter)
You know... following your work since I have been on this site... I didn't think it was possible.. but you have gotten better and better lol....
It's almost scary.
The break reminded me of a movie soundtrack... but then again.. the whole thing did...
Like one of those epic montages!
:)
Go to yer "My account" at the very top.
Then, after doing that look for the second tier of white shaded tabs.. Their should be "Edit Profile"
Click on that, and in the middle there, is the "My Email:_____"
You could change it to yer prefered... altho, some people don't like looperman spam, some people revel in it.
Love it.
If you still got this.. I would love to make a dnb death metal hybrid? lol
If not no worries man.
I like your style.
Keeping my eye out for your future works!
\m/
Think this reason file still lurks around somewhere. It might also have nothing but presets lol. Drums I know were from the patch 'Mpc Roll Enumerator' or something like that. The effects were also presets lol. This track was like falling in love with Reason again. Simple idea sequencing but I've always been amazed at its depth. Weird thing is, I troll the forums and saw something about Clinthammer and you working on a Inferno concept album. This song was from a same idea. The dark wood of error. New error terror was like an intro idea. I may upload some of the other tracks from that. The others went in a different direction, more downtempo. I also gotta check out Clint's stuff now that I'm thinking about it. Cheers again man, really appreciate the reviews. I'll be making my way back to jam out to some more of your stuff :D
on Salvation by Tiltedbeats
My favorite part was when it was "spakow".
You know.. the depth and whatnot... Dynamics.
Live. Good vibes.
Yeah... I love how it verges on synthesized and also just this live groove.
Attention to bass was MUCH appreciated, and I have been giving a lot of thought to the user create part of the production side, and then the listener side.
Personally I will say that I wanted more bass... MORE lol... that's just the west coast US talkin'...
But I ain't complaining.
The melodic elements, everything.
Professional level man.
Jussss need some vox!
But hell man, this doesn't really "need" it. But it would put it into that commercial territory.
Highly recommended listen, .... I wanna bump yer thread right now lol. I will later on tho.. People should hear this.
Ain't it crazy how much you grow exponentially just hanging around looperman?
but really, thanks for the review...
im really hopeful here, pushing to get my mate to spit some lyrics on it.. i have also sent a copy to farisha.. she may come up with something... so it's looking up from here...
thanks in advance for the thread bump LOL.. and ur totally right, looperman has done WONDERS to my production potential.. and it's still improving... such a site... it's ironic you said that, bcz i love that pic in ur gallery of the frequencies to notes correlation... i use it quite often... so thanks heaps... the loop is such and awesome place.
on Hip Hop test 1 by StephenPotter
Awesome.. Glitch and dubstep referrences
But you and cyber both see dubstep in this track which I dont which kinda confuses me...
But thanks for the review!
Ste :)
on I Treat my Girl With Respect by Thethanx
Doesn't sound too daunting, if just not sound designing it to be just like the original?
It's very cool man.
I love the style.. southern drawl... Kinda G Love.... Funk yes my man.
Awesome.
I saw them cats at a festival one time, and he was just chillin on a lawn chair on a stage drinking caronas lol... it was awesome, Cold Beverages.
Ht me back if you need the beat.
on Regrowth by BrokenScythe
Gah
Like 20 years ago we were all huddled around huge quarter inch reel to reels!!!!!
Anyway
Throw some compression and sidechain a bass and you could fool me heheh.
Plus lest not forget the great 5th and 7th semitone drop which really grooves out the trance melody and bassline.
Needed a bass I think...
Yea...
Good stuff man.. You got a nice taste in the melody.
Drums would need some more layering I would think and "depth" thru 'verb and such....
But I ain't complaining or criticizing, only offering what I heard the birds chirping and relayed the message.
I am no "electronic" producer (at least I don't consider myself) soo these are just opinions as well.
How would I approach the bass on this? Im so new to it lol.
5th n 7th semitone drop? Like a pitch wheel kind of drop?
I feel you on the drums, theyre simple indeed, need more depth.
Ill get on that Livid, thanks for the listen! perhaps you could check out a battle beat I made called Cherry blossom? Id appreciate you great constructive criticism on that one man.
Thanks again! Ill return the favor :)
on ATR - Darnkes falls by Astrolica
I don't think he listens to dubstep... But then again, I can hear that you are using samples, and usually it's better to create the wobbles using an LFO and whatnot.
I liked it man. I like hard shyte.
... Does need some love, but it isn't as bad as bewl makes it sound.
on Love Removed by Cybertooth
on Quantek by Cybertooth
You are freaking awesome man.
...
Seriously.
I would buy this just to support your addiction to sound.
What is the talk about illegal?
Illegal for being AWESOME?!?!?! ehh? ehhh?
ahem
Yeah
Faved.
I like your music.
on Totems from the Diaspora by n0mad23
Or "Complex Pro"?
I was just saying because I heard some grains being processed?
I just noticed that...
AND
FURTHER MORE.
this has continually evolved?!?!
Wow...
So awesome... Your depth. Amazing.
on Frustration by MCHN
This is one of those cases where Brickwalling is a great idea!
I liked it!
Would like to hear some more like this too.
on Downtime by MCHN
I feel the same way about mine
"I don't feel its finished it's just one of those track that just kinda stays that way I guess."
I kinda look at everything I do as that building block, and I always learn something new every track. Keep pushing and shoveling it, until I get some gold you know?
Edits didn't sound to noticeable?.. You can alleviate any noticeable clicks or pops from edits by going really deep in Record and using a volume fade on them so the cuts on the waveform don't sound audible?
I really dig your style nonetheless... That's the most important thing. You have a feel to your work.
I find that more important than technicalities.
on KORE - Ioka Flow by Ioka
on Green Violet - Ioka Flow by Ioka
Levels sound wonderful on my headphones. Altho duly noted with your talk with Numberjack... I did feel at times I wanted the drums to "punch" a little more?
Perhaps just a little more there?
I have been using the sidechain function in ableton and getting some good balance in freqs.. but I am that guy trying to mix metal and dnb lol
As far as the aesthetics and sounds.. You rule. I love the coldness and the jungle nod. The glitch synth solo... kinda "tranced" me out!!!
:)
I like your style man!
I am going to check out some more, I noticed you uploaded some more tracks.
thanx for the tip with the sidechain in ableton i will see
cheers man will check out your stuff too
on one more mojito by rei4real
The world needs more Rei in it.
It almost doesn't matter what you do, it always sounds sooo fresh and amazing.
Hah! I have these loops I think!
Groooooooovin'.
Really enjoyed the harmonics, such a great subtle thing that all guitarists need to remember! (stealing this for my dnb deathmetal madness lol)
I love how you harmonize with yourself. It's always this voice that doesn't get confused. I can think back on pretty much everything I have of yours on my HD/iPod, and every track is unmistakable and impeccable.
Sooooo awesome.
I won't be having a mojito but this track is just as sweet on my ears!
great that you used the word "subtle" ... I really focus on details, sometimes the two right tones together can do more for a song than complicated chords ... that's how I try to put together my guitar lines (and of course all the other instruments) ... lot of work, but it pays off ...
thx a lot for taking so much time Abe!!
cu, rei
on EvilLurks by EzIcarus
Dark, eeerie ... Aggressive... Cold...
Yeah.
Awesome.
Definitely the standout track!
Again heard a pad lulling over the top to build some subliminal tension?
Really enjoyed the drum work you have... Definitely going to keep my eye out for your work!
Ez Icarus
on Apples and Pears by EzIcarus
Ahh.. reminds me of the days geeking out to Amon Tobin.
Make sure not to forget the balance of the drums on this! Of course probably another personal preference but I "felt" the bass (awesome bass btw) but the drums didn't really touch my ears enough... More kick?
Was thinking about a pad? Something on the long bar to frame some of the musicality going on, and then perhaps segueing your two elements (the bossanova and the break).
on Makes You Wonder DnB by EzIcarus
:)
I know to trust your opinion now!
Yea, I will just say as a producer to another producer, I feel that this is still in the skeleton stage... Yet you have a really strong and quirky/fun skeleton to build on!
I really enjoyed the sounds you chose and agree with all the other reviewers. Some thoughts that immediately popped in my head was most definitely the flute and then delay on that... I just love a wind instrument with delay on it. But that's a personal aesthetic.
Another thought on my mind, was perhaps moving some semitones around so you got more musical movement out of the piece?.. There's always those trusted 5ths and 7ths that work sooo well in electronic music.
I will definitely keep my eye out for this, and I am going to listen to some more of your work!
on Transit Pow Wow (feat n0mad23 and Avonaco) by Salook
You are really great with vocal manipulations... I just love that man.
It's odd for me.. because as an individual... I feel the context of what you are giving here... There's this spirituality about it. And I hear a lot of the talk with dub and it's spiritual roots. I get that.. that trance thru the transients on the delays and 'verbs giving the sound the largeness.
I really really respect you dubheads.. But I think when it comes to a social order in myself, there's something that screams an internal dissent. I can't explain it.
It must be something about how this track particularly has this incredible way of subduing the listener, as it has with the past few tracks I have heard.... And coming from my background, I like to reach out and just SHAKE the listener.... I really like the idea of tapping into that "spirituality".. almost shamanistic pose in the crossleg... Incense burning.
As a listener ... I had a fantastic feeling of association and disassociation with the music, and my reality.
That kinda experience hearing a piece of music goes beyond a favorite and a thank you.
Awesome stuff man.
Sorry for ranting lol
i was just the medium between these two spirits lol
Really though, glad you got something from the track it was a pleasure to work on. cheers.
on It Gets Better (AkA Wobby) by ChrissG
Seriously?
Faved. And also thank you for being so gracious to allow D/L.
Hey who did what?
... I have a feeling you did the groundwork and bass and oasis rocked the synths?
I dunno what it is about that girl, but she fkn rocks with melodies. Brilliant stuff.
I am just gonaaaa put this out there, but ... I kinda thought it was a little too wide on the headphones. Reverb?... I think I would have preferred a little dryer/shorter tail.. but that's not a complaint or criticism. Just how I felt listening.
Amazing stuff.
on Hurl Your Love Like a by CalifKen
I thought the choice in notes was cool and very interesting. The stabs you quickly do with the organ before the pre-chorus/chorus "we are to be booooorn again" part
(haven't figured that out yet lol)
They sounded a little "forced" ... and I don't mean that in a bad way but it was noticeable enough to make me look at it while I was doing the electric shuffle.
on Aliens by CalifKen
Yay!
It's been soo long since I last heard it.. Damn almost a year ago.
Still has the same amazing flavor.
on Black Mamba - Ioka Flow by Ioka
Great job mounting the tension and bringing everything up and up.
I liked how your strings almost sounded like hip-hop stabs.
I know how it goes mixing a lotta different elements and genres together, but I kinda, just as a listener wanted more of that syrupy bass! Maybe a lulling string line / epic pad playing almost 1 bar phrases?... Not a complaint or criticism at all.
Awesome stuff! Push the boundaries!
your ideas about the bass are interesting but my main aim was too keep it simple and i think a new element would make the whole thing a bit to complex
greets
on Orchestria - Bilbozo and PlanetJazzBass by Bilbozo
What was the new toys?
PJB's bass is awesome.... Awesome orchestration.
(Lights lighter)
You know... following your work since I have been on this site... I didn't think it was possible.. but you have gotten better and better lol....
It's almost scary.
The break reminded me of a movie soundtrack... but then again.. the whole thing did...
Like one of those epic montages!
on CrossTown by Planetjazzbass
Totally legit too.
Blows my mind... haha
Man... You are going to have to do a metal track sometime lol
lemmee hear yer pig scream!!!
lol
on DFI - After Death - Extended Version by SGN
Go to yer "My account" at the very top.
Then, after doing that look for the second tier of white shaded tabs.. Their should be "Edit Profile"
Click on that, and in the middle there, is the "My Email:_____"
You could change it to yer prefered... altho, some people don't like looperman spam, some people revel in it.
on New Error Terror Sample by MCHN
Man.. You were way better than me in 2008 lol
Drums are really simple no nonsense awesomeness.
Love it.
If you still got this.. I would love to make a dnb death metal hybrid? lol
If not no worries man.
I like your style.
Keeping my eye out for your future works!
\m/