Listen To Late For The Train Acoustic Song By ShortBusMusic At Looperman.com

19th Nov 2025 01:58 - 1 month ago
Description : I wish we still had a forum. I kept hearing about AI taking over for musicians and singers and thought, no way. So I decided to explore a bit, and created this song using only AI. All of the instrumentation, vocals, lyrics, all created by AI. So that brings me to my question, on a loop based site that I have participated on for over 15 years, is AI the future of music? Do we need musicians? If you have any thoughts, I would love to hear them.

Comments (16)

If you have time take a listen and give ShortBusMusic some feedback.

TheFrenZ
TheFrenZ 24th Nov 2025 22:05 - 1 month ago
My opinion may be flawed, but it's still something to think about.
Everyone's talking about the impact on musicians and music, but what about the most likely illegal use of copyrighted material? Music companies with big money for lawyers, successful musicians with big money for lawyers, can get money/license fees for their material being illegally used to train AI models, but what about the hundreds of thousands, or is it millions, of unsigned music creators whose creations are being used? I checked some AI resources (academic use) and came across Jamendo collection (Dataset is made available solely for non-commercial research and academic use) but you could download and use it, it's just 508 GB ;), tools for ripping audio (wav) from YouTube based on genre. In my opinion, AI is probably based on theft. Why theft? Have you all, and all other music creators around the world, given these AI training material collectors permission to rip your/their songs and/or acapellas for free for commercial use by AI? If not, then it's illegal commercial use of copyrighted material, right?
Most likely I'm stupid...
ShortBusMusic
ShortBusMusic replied 26th Nov 2025 - 1 month ago
I know there is a lot of discussion on the legality of this and I also tried an experiment on this tune. I put it up on YouTube and they said the song was clean, no copyright issues. I also used Shazam and a few others to check to see if any other songs sounded like it, and they could not find any. Now, does that prove there isn't any theft involved, not really, but I'm not sure that the random nature of what they do minimizes the risk to real artists and real songs, and keeps things from getting out of hand. I've had a couple of my loops used by some pretty high profile rappers, with no recognition, and while I put them up here for folks to use, I think it is disingenuous of them to pretend my work was their own (on one song, Billboard magazine loved the guitar riff, and the producer of the record took full credit for it). Personally, I think modern day musicians have little to no problem stealing from others (the 30 second rule). I hear current songs that literally rip off other tunes and give no recognition where they stole the idea from. I have no answer or solution to any of this, I just thought it was interesting that AI could write lyrics, and music and put together a pretty decent tune with just a little bit of coaching. As always I really appreciate you taking the time to listen and weigh in on this. I hope all is well.

Bear
fanisatt
fanisatt 23rd Nov 2025 19:15 - 1 month ago
I must admit that the song is wonderful in every way !!!!!! Human creative participation is minimized....and yet we have a perfect result! Because AI has "created" this track, based on what it already knows. But music expresses life and that is why we have so many different types of music. Because life is incredibly complicated !! For example, I don't think AI could have invented rap or trap etc. (on its own) 15-20 years ago ! AI can "create" because there are relevant musical data .... ! The truth is that it is not possible for the AI to feel what life is, joy, sadness, emotions ! Anyway, we definitely need musicians just as we need mathematicians and we need to get basic arithmetic knowledge (all of us), even though we have pocket calculators.... Cheersssssssssssssssssss !!!
ShortBusMusic
ShortBusMusic replied 23rd Nov 2025 - 1 month ago
Great comment my friend. I don't know where all of this is going to go, but hopefully 50 years in the future people are still good for something, hahaha. As always, I appreciate you giving this a listen and commenting. I hope all is well.

Bear
BullittVolante
BullittVolante 22nd Nov 2025 21:04 - 1 month ago
You've raised a really good question here and judging by the comments, it's definitely got people talking. Personally, I truly hope that AI isn't the future of music, as I find that utterly depressing. I can't imagine a World without musicians, singers, DJ's, bedroom producers, live performances. I'm not a fan of AI, especially when it comes to music production. Music to me should be about people creating something, either as a group or on they're own. Coming up with a melody, a hook, a guitar riff, bass line, drum beat, vocal harmonies etc, that's when the magic happens and that magic can happen in a recording studio, on stage in front of an audience, jamming in your mum and dad's spare room with your mates or sat at your computer using a DAW , which I imagine most of us do? And why do you produce music? It's that desire to create something that you can share with others or not, as some people don't share the music they produce, but it's still about wanting to create something, whether it's art, cinema or in this case, music. That need, thankfully will always exist and the emotion that exists within music is something that AI can't replicate. Sure, AI will be used in some aspects of the music industry, but it will never replace humans or their desire to be creative. I have no desire to ask AI to produce a song for me. Where's the fun in that? The actual song itself is good and I wouldn't have guessed it was AI, but knowing that it is AI generated, obviously alters my opinion. A good experiment though and it's got us all talking! Thanks.
ShortBusMusic
ShortBusMusic replied 23rd Nov 2025 - 1 month ago
Brother, thanks for the thoughtful reply. I agree with you that creating something with an instrument of any kind is one of the greatest feelings there is. When I had the AI build this song, my input was simply telling it tempo, key, type of vocalist, song style and then subject matter for lyrics and the AI did the rest. Honestly, not a lot of fun, but the end result surprised me, and not in a good way. I sent the song to a few of my musician friends and didn't tell them it was AI and none of them suspected anything until I told them what I did. And, if I had decided to do the mixing and mastering myself, I think it could really fool people. I hate that we are at this stage in our musical lives, but it is here to stay. I'll keep plucking strings and pounding keys and making noise, but I fear for the musicians of tomorrow. As always, your comments are greatly appreciated. I hope all is well.

Bear
ClickbaitCabaret
ClickbaitCabaret 20th Nov 2025 22:52 - 1 month ago
"ShortBusMusic." That's hilarious. If we want to see live gigs, we'll need human performers. Can you picture millions of teen age girls losing their minds over an AI generated K-pop band? How about the fanatical devotion Taylor Swift gets from her fans? It's no different the hysteria over the Beatles, Elvis or Rudolf Valentino. Performers become living gods so fans can experience the extasy of transcendence at their gigs. It's an archetypal experience AI will never be able to replicate.
ShortBusMusic
ShortBusMusic replied 21st Nov 2025 - 1 month ago
I've been ShortBusMusic since 2003 (works for me haha). While I agree with your sentiments, AI "bands" are already being signed. Here's a quote from an online article:
"Major Label Licensing Deals
In a separate development, all three major music labelsUniversal Music Group, Sony Music Entertainment, and Warner Music Grouphave signed licensing agreements with the AI music startup Klay Vision Inc..
Platform Functionality: Klay is building a streaming platform that uses an "ethical AI" approach, allowing users to interact with and remake licensed songs in different styles using AI tools. The company aims to respect copyrights while creating new avenues for fan experience and artist compensation.
Legal Settlements: These deals follow a period of legal challenges, during which major labels sued other AI music generators like Udio and Suno for copyright infringement. Warner and Universal have since settled their lawsuits with Udio and plan to launch a collaborative, licensed AI music creation platform in 2026 that will provide artists the ability to opt-out and receive payment if their work is used." The AI Artist: Xania signed for a reported $3,000,000. I don't like it, but maybe I should...
sounders
sounders 20th Nov 2025 15:46 - 1 month ago
I realised after that you were commenting on a totally different track than I realised so I'm just here to claim I'm an idiot which was not the first time that day. I like that your only allowed one feedback per comment and no takeseys backsies however I plum duffed this one.
I see you have turned off comments on your other tracks but I gotta say there really good man, the instrumentation and sentiments are powerful and rolling my heart, I hope you don't mind me saying this and wish you wellness and great things with whoever you meet and whatever you do. Peace Sounder
ShortBusMusic
ShortBusMusic replied 20th Nov 2025 - 1 month ago
Hahaha, no problem my friend. I have a lot of senior moments and with the new Looperman, it is impossible to edit comments so it is all good. Thanks for giving the others a listen and your kind feedback on those as well. It is appreciated. I hope all is well.

Bear
NoHideAnymore
NoHideAnymore 20th Nov 2025 11:17 - 1 month ago
Yes AI can imitate music and synthesize sounds, but it cannot imitate original internal ideas and thoughts that lie in our hearts. People feel such things whatever one says about it.
ShortBusMusic
ShortBusMusic replied 20th Nov 2025 - 1 month ago
I absolutely agree. I've been a musician for over 60 years and until now, I thought we were never going to be replaced. But it looks like AI could be the new normal, and it saddens me. Thanks for weighing in on this. I hope all is well.

Bear
Pnnywze
Pnnywze 19th Nov 2025 23:47 - 1 month ago
Human emotion and creativity cannot be artificially replicated to the point of being indistinguishable from the real thing. Not yet. Theres always something that gives it away, to me. I hope im long gone from the world when our art no longer belongs to us - our emotions and our imaginations will no longer be our own
ShortBusMusic
ShortBusMusic replied 20th Nov 2025 - 1 month ago
Agreed, and since I'm an old dog, it probably won't be that long for me, haha.
Pnnywze
Pnnywze 19th Nov 2025 23:41 - 1 month ago
Ive been a member of this community for several years myself, Ive seen alot of growth, and Ive seen a few negative things. Ive met terrible people, and ive met lifelong collaborators who i now count among the best of friends. Ive shared alot of music, ive listened to and critiqued alot of music, much like still do. I became the producer of an awesome group, ive been a part of several projects here on LM that a extremely good, if not great. Ive been involved in a stinker or 2. Ive learned alot from my peers, and ive taught alot, as well. I even started a Discord server to assist the community here with collaborations last year. Not a single time have i used any intelligence other than mine to accomplish those things, and never in a million years will I. Im a lifelong musician, and a producer for over a decade, and the skill and experience ive earned from a lifetime of learning and failing, getting up and trying again is a trillion times more valuable than anything skynet is going to throw at me. Well, besdies the inevitable nukes and human extinction, id say. A.I. can be utilized by some to achieve quite a few things. It has no place in art, imo. That belongs solely to us and it should always be so.
Anyway, the song is ok. I guarantee your worst song without the use of A.I. is 100000000 times better.
ShortBusMusic
ShortBusMusic replied 20th Nov 2025 - 1 month ago
Thanks for weighing in on this one. I figured that the majority, if not all of Looperman would be against AI in the creation of music. While I can see some benefits - fleshing out instrumental ideas, help with lyrics, building a drum beat )maybe), the actual creation of a song completely by the AI, performed by the AI, mixed and mastered by the AI, is just going a bit too far. I don't know how one controls this, especially now that the toothpaste is out of the tube, but I would hope something could be done. As always, I appreciate all that you have done, and all that you continue to do for the Looperman community. I joined originally in 2008, and it has been quite the ride. Take care and as always, I appreciate your feedback. I hope all is well.

Bear
AnthonyAttard
AnthonyAttard 19th Nov 2025 18:27 - 1 month ago
It is a very sad song and maybe this is the AI's catchy purpose. I do not know. It is complicated. If you have suffered such events, these lyrics AI or not, are sad. Maybe I would not try to write a Christmas song based on sorrow and loss, but this is just me. The song is really beautiful, the instrumentation covers just fine an acoustic song and the instruments make music to the ears of most of the non-musicians. I have read that for now the American legislation will not accept music made by AI as copyrighted. oF course there will or there are clarifications on what music produced by AI is, or what is the "percentage" of :legal" use of AI in this scope. What is AI assisted or enhanced music. It is a new means, very powerful and it is not machinery. It is thousand of people working, billions of dollars spent and it is not only music. Creativity is a human characteristic but computers are a product of human creativity. We cannot blame them for anything. Man wanted transportation, trips on the sea and in the air. Man wanted to reach the moon and still tries to reach Mars and how knows other planets. Man loves to dream and to be creative. And there has always been the challenge and the competition. It is a challenge and it will be a competition. It is unfair, we can't beat those huge clusters of artificial intelligence and some will take advantage of it, no doubt. It is like inventing wheel, it is huge and we, as societies will have to adopt. Do you think that in medicine there is less AI to come? It is our lives, yet statistics will finally tell. Is statistics always 100 per cent accurate? Difficult verdict.
Anyway, I liked the song but the lyrics truly made me trist.
Best regards, Anthony
ShortBusMusic
ShortBusMusic replied 19th Nov 2025 - 1 month ago
Thanks for not only giving this one a listen, but also for giving a very astute opinion on AI generated music. The lyric generator works from suggestions, and I wrote that I wanted a Christmas song about a guy who is trying to get home for the holidays, but with the government shutdown, he was going to have to catch the last train to his destination in order to be there by Christmas...and this is what it gave me. I was hoping for something a little merrier, but again, in the spirit of the experiment, I wanted to let the AI virtually do everything. I'm glad I'm old and have had a lifetime of pleasure of playing real instruments to record and perform live. I'm not sure I could make a career out of being an AI artist, but there are those out there who are. As always, your comments and feedback are truly appreciated. I hope all is well.

Bear
dimestop
dimestop 19th Nov 2025 18:17 - 1 month ago
sorry i forgot to say us Humans are supposed to be so intelligent, that's why we survived and inhabited the planet, i think we are the stupidest ever to have lived on earth, we build a robot to take our jobs ,it started with cars, now everyone's job is at risk theyve got robots delivering allsorts, this is Terminator the Final Destruction-we're all f#cked :)
ShortBusMusic
ShortBusMusic replied 19th Nov 2025 - 1 month ago
That's kind of my idea on this as well. I told my wife I was sure glad I'm an old man, but I worry about my grandkids. Those movies are starting to look like they may turn out to be factual and not fiction, haha.
dimestop
dimestop 19th Nov 2025 18:05 - 1 month ago
hello mate, its been a while, the track is good, everything sounds excellent and thats the scary thing, been having these discussion for a while with DJ Pain he's a beat maker and producer on YouTube i follow, and many other artist too, putting it bluntly, its here to stay, we may have to embrace it but that doesn't make it right, i think most agree it does a great job, but its trained on real vocalist so it replicates genre definitions music technology and the like and then churns out a track in 30 seconds, real artist musicians and vocalists are the true creatives, everybody has to stick together on this, Suno and Udio are having to settle out of court to big artist cos its spitting there material out, i gave it a try, i have a free track on Suno, its brilliant used a female but you wont here it no way, i hate my laptop, so AI i know i'll loathe. if producers wanna press 2 buttons, start and finish thats not talent, its a fraud.
i agree with another poster Morgan, 100% AI should only be given a non- comercial licence, not for profit. but that wont happen. sorry its a long mail, but i know quite a bit about said subject everyones on about it, that creates the fear and as you asked, i answered, and the moral of my story 10 billion dollars spent this year on AI in music AND, this is the cherry on top, the first AI artist has just signed a 1.3 million dollar contract, when U2 and the Rollin Stones join Looperman, i'll be saying i told you so, lol
ShortBusMusic
ShortBusMusic replied 19th Nov 2025 - 1 month ago
Hey Paul, it has been a minute and I hope life is treating you well. I miss the old forums because I think this topic would have been a burner, but I guess in the new world we have to adapt. Which leads back to your astute comments. I can see the danger in falling into a trap with AI. I went down the rabbit hole and did the production on a completed track and the end result was nothing short of amazing. Like you, the only people who will ever hear it are my family because the AI did that good of a job on it. The non-commercial license is a grand idea, limiting any "profit" one would see from AI created works. I'm sure the governments will get involved at some point, but until then it is difficult to discern what is real and what is not and that's the real tragedy. I hope all is well my friend.

Bear
sounders
sounders 19th Nov 2025 17:02 - 1 month ago
I don't think I'd get around to listening to any AI music, there's too much human music I've got to catch up on. This is brilliant but technically over compressed and without nuance such as a sparkle on the guitar in my opinion. It's also derivative. What was the process of production?
My foray into AI includes creating photo-real images of brass players for a fictional big band with a story round it that's going to be web based. I don't have a budget for a photo shoot and it's unethical to use lifted images of real people so I justify a best use case, I will also post process them into Polaroids in Photoshop. AI is able to augment what I'm wishing to do in this way. The fun part of writing and making music are mine. I suppose I'm interested in how people are going to use AI in their projects but AI has also pushed me into seeking 'Outsider Art' also.
ShortBusMusic
ShortBusMusic replied 19th Nov 2025 - 1 month ago
Sounders, you are correct about not being nuanced in the production, but I was very careful to stay away from mixing and mastering this one. It is possible to break these tracks down into individual instruments, vocals, etc. and then do a true mix based on this. I have no doubt that a good sound engineer would be able to mix this up and make it impossible to tell it was AI, and that's the main reason I stayed away from mixing and mastering. I think your use of AI is pretty spot on and you are doing it the right way. I just fear that many will not. As always, your comments are greatly appreciated. I hope all is well.

Bear
Flat2Forge
Flat2Forge 19th Nov 2025 14:20 - 1 month ago
I believe our world leaders should start legislating on AI right now. AI should be used as a tool, but not as a substitute for a human. I'm quite calm about this aspect because I believe that a person's creativity and emotions can never be replaced by AI. However, I still think that they should not allow the publication of 100% AI-generated songs on any online platform, neither paid ones like Spotify nor free ones like LM. To feel at ease, I look to the past and try to draw an analogy with similar events that we have already overcome with beneficial results for everyone. For example, when the first DAWs and virtual instruments started appearing, before that, if someone wanted to create, record, edit, and mix their own songs, there was no other way than to go to a professional studio. Now we can do it from our room, and yet professional studios and engineers still exist. Another example is the arrival of Autotune. Before, it was impossible for someone with a lot of talent but without the gift for singing to become a singer; however, now anyone with talent can do it.
ShortBusMusic
ShortBusMusic replied 19th Nov 2025 - 1 month ago
I absolutely agree with your sentiments. I can see the benefits of using it to flesh out ideas, or work through lyrics, unfortunately I can see the potential for abuse as well. I'm an old man who started playing trombone when I was 5 (my father and grandfather were both accomplished trombone players). I studied really hard and practiced thousands of hours to hone my skills. I picked up the guitar 52 years ago and approached it the same way I did the trombone. Piano, over 45 years ago, same approach. It seems a shame that all of those years of work can be bypassed in a few moments by AI. I don't have a lot of confidence that our government will try to regulate the use of AI. I hope for my grandchildren's sake they do. As always your response to this is greatly appreciated. I hope all is well.

Bear
PaperKup
PaperKup 19th Nov 2025 11:54 - 1 month ago
Personally I see AI as a virus. I'd rather watch my own paint dry (white on a white canvas). For me the negatives outweigh the positives.
ShortBusMusic
ShortBusMusic replied 19th Nov 2025 - 1 month ago
My feelings on AI mirror yours. It seemed almost like I was committing a crime putting this together. Unfortunately, I think this may end up being the way music heads in the future, and if it does, it is a tragedy. I fear that my grandchildren will risk the joy of creating with actual instruments. Time will tell. Thanks for dropping by to give an opinion. It is appreciated. I hope all is well.

Bear
Kayos2
Kayos2 19th Nov 2025 10:09 - 1 month ago
The song is pleasant but TBH, an AI approach lacks warmth somehow. The emotions come from lyrics that have been written in the midst of human emotion and that is what hooks people in. This song is well-rounded but i do not feel AI alone is sufficient enough to make relevant emotions
ShortBusMusic
ShortBusMusic replied 19th Nov 2025 - 1 month ago
Kay, thank you so much for weighing in. I was hesitant to try this experiment, but felt it was my duty to do so. I am old guy with a lot of road miles, but I was surprised at how easy this was to do. I think the AI could be used to flesh out different instrumentation and song structure before heading into the studio to record with real instruments and real musicians (kind of like modern day sheet music). The lyric part could help a competent song writer with ideas but this tune actually created the lyrics based off of ideas I had. Anyway, I fear this may end up being the future. The #1 song on the country Billboard Charts was created by AI (even the singer's image was AI and fooled millions), and Sir Paul McCartney has also weighed in with his fears. Time will tell I guess. In the meantime, I think artists like you will still have a place in this game. As always, thank you for your comment. I hope all is well.

Bear
DanMed
DanMed 19th Nov 2025 09:28 - 1 month ago
Song is actually really good, but I don't think AI can do what musicians can do.
Ai just copy others artists and make songs copying existing music.
It's the people who push the boundaries of music with their imagination and creativity. As a tool AI can be useful, but as main creator, i don't think so.
ShortBusMusic
ShortBusMusic replied 19th Nov 2025 - 1 month ago
Dan, thank you so much for offering your opinion, and I agree with you. I've been playing all kinds of instruments for over 60 years, so this new wave of AI generated music has me concerned. I was able to give precise instructions to the AI concerning key, tempo, style, instruments, song structure, song content, and found that process actually similar to working in a studio environment. Frankly, this stuff scares me because it is so intuitive. And it will only get better with time. Anyway, we are definitely of the same opinion, and using it as a tool makes great sense, but in the end, the final product really should be made by real musicians. Thanks again. I hope all is well. Bear

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