Tags : | Trance | 10.38 MB | Logic Pro

Description : Another attempt in my continuing efforts to learn how make a trance track. Is intended to have a vocal doing the melody. Would try to find a singer but need to work out lyrics first. For this track I tried to make the melody not too repetitive. I limited it to four bars max of the same melodic phrase.

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  1. TameChildjr
    TameChildjr on Sat 21st Sep 2019 - 3 weeks ago

    trance is definitely the toughest genre to master, but you are on the right path. far ahead of me when i first started ten years ago.

  2. therednebula
    therednebula on Fri 3rd May 2019 - 5 months ago

    this song was really neat. I really love the melody. I would suggest making the melody stand out a little more somehow because (this is my opinion) I feel the beat over shadows the melody a little bit but other than that its amazing.

    EricMilligan
    Reply by EricMilligan

    Thanks, rednebula.

    I am planning to work on the track some more, so will see about setting the melody line a bit higher in the mix. Glad you liked the melody line. It really is meant for vocals.

    Sometimes I get frustrated and do the vocals myself, although I am an absolutely horrible singer. But for this track, there was just no way I could do vocals on it. I'm getting some ideas for lyrics. Not much sense getting a vocalist lined up if there are no words! :)

    Eric

  3. ZoxoSonor
    ZoxoSonor on Wed 1st May 2019 - 5 months ago

    oh! this is good!

    EricMilligan
    Reply by EricMilligan

    Thanks for for the encouragement, ZoxoSonor! :)

  4. HeathAlexander
    HeathAlexander on Wed 1st May 2019 - 5 months ago

    Usually when I think of trance I think boring and repetitive, but this is very neat and very listenable. Your instruments have pleasing tones. I like that the kick and bass are more subdued because it allows the pretty melodies to dominate.

    EricMilligan
    Reply by EricMilligan

    Thanks, Heath. I don't think trance has to be boring and repetitive, although I agree that some of it is. I like a focus on melody. Perhaps that's why JoeFunktastic felt that this really wasn't trance.

    I have had a tendency in my tracks to make the kick too dominant I think. I am trying to dial it down a bit. My wife calls my music "thump, thump music". That's not meant as a compliment, but it accurately reflects the way I have mixed kicks and bass in my tracks.

    I think this track would be a lot better if it had real vocals. Just need to work out some lyrics. And, find a singer of course! :)

    Eric

  5. RuslanG
    RuslanG on Tue 30th Apr 2019 - 5 months ago

    Nice!

    EricMilligan
    Reply by EricMilligan

    Thanks very much Ruslan. Nice to hear from you!

    Eric

  6. JoeFunktastic
    JoeFunktastic on Tue 30th Apr 2019 - 5 months ago

    Hello Eric! Wow man! This must be a hybrid-Trance version of Trance (the next level up +1). I never heard it done quite this way before. Pure genius at work. You know as far as the genre goes, I am leaning towards Pop with a touch of RnB influence. Very melodic and loud like a Trance song should be. This truly amazing work. Congrats for a great song to be very proud of man. I enjoyed it, excellent work!

    Cheers!
    Joe

    EricMilligan
    Reply by EricMilligan

    Thanks, Joe. I really have no clue about EDM genres. So, I was trying for trance, but apparently I landed on something else! :)

    I'm actually more in your camp - Pop with a touch of RnB. Or, if truth be told, just plain RnB. I grew up on Motown Philly Soul, and Muscle Shoals. But getting the feel right in an RnB track is as elusive for me as getting a trance track sounding right.

    I fretted about how loud the track after mastering it. The track actually has more dynamics (not a lot) if you look at the waveform in Logic but it looked pretty much maxed to the limit in the waveform display on Looperman. I actually re-mastered it with less compression and reposted it because I thought it was too loud without enough dynamic range. But, you are right, this kind of track is meant to be loud, at least a good part of the time.

    Anyway, some members have suggested ways to improve it so I think I'll experiment with it a bit more. I need a concept for the lyrics. Have never been to a club so it seems kind of disingenuous for me to whip up some frothy stuff about "dance all night" or whatever. :)

    At my age, I should probably stick to writing polkas. (I actually like polkas a lot, but have never tried to write one.)

    Eric

  7. MPOProduction
    MPOProduction on Tue 30th Apr 2019 - 5 months ago

    Hi EricMilligan
    Please excuse my delay.. and my poor english it is not my mother tongue..
    according to my update ...I am working with Logic but I guess you can do this with any DAW.

    Create a low pass filter or hight pass filter dependent what you want to remove.
    Simple when you second beat start use the automation to activate the Filer .. on and off..
    
I used this a lot before I bought Ozone .. now I am using the dynamic eq of ozone 8 .. ;-)
    
I now it is very expensive ... but in my workflow it saves a lot of time !!

    EricMilligan
    Reply by EricMilligan

    Thanks very much for the explanation. I use Logic as well. And I also use Ozone. Haven't used the dynamic EQ. I'm assuming that you are using automated EQ to duck beats because the drum tracks in audio files, not midi files. All the tracks in this project are midi, except for the sound effects (boomers).

    So, I could get the same result simply by editing the midi information in the drum tracks? Either removing or muting the midi notes for the second beats?

    I should use the EQ technique for tracks that are audio files?

    Eric

  8. DijamMusic
    DijamMusic on Tue 30th Apr 2019 - 5 months ago

    Hello Eric,
    Mate, me too I love to do a trance track that I'm happy with but unfortunately I can not make a track to save my life(Trance).
    You are far ahead of me mate this track is brilliant well done mate.
    Fave for a wonderful effort.
    Great Job
    Jamid

    EricMilligan
    Reply by EricMilligan

    Thanks, Jamid. I've concluded that although EDM seems like it should easy to make, in fact it is very complex. Producers need to master a whole variety of skills to produce something that is good. I have so much to learn, and so little time. :)

    Eric

  9. sweetcherries
    sweetcherries on Mon 29th Apr 2019 - 5 months ago

    GREAT! track.

    EricMilligan
    Reply by EricMilligan

    Thank-you for the feedback, Sweetcherries. I'm determined to learn how to do decent trance tracks.

    Eric

  10. NESMANGA
    NESMANGA on Mon 29th Apr 2019 - 5 months ago

    I did like most of the parts. I did think the off beats could off been a tad better / tighter. But this was a good effort. KEEP GOING. I want to hear more from you in this community as time as goes on.

    Suggestion: Listen to some older and newer tracks from Perfecto Records for ideas.
    (NES MANGA)

    EricMilligan
    Reply by EricMilligan

    Thanks for the advice, Nesmanga. I will definitely check out tracks from Perfecto Records. And NES Manga TV on Youtube as well.

    Eric

  11. HenryPascal
    HenryPascal on Sun 28th Apr 2019 - 5 months ago

    When i red "Trance" i did expect something like Gouryella style. But this is... SOOO MUCH BETTER! Dunno why, for me its synth pop, not trance. Really like the atmosphere you create here, sounds kinda my style! Sure, keep on working on this, "you won't laugh, you will not cry" 'till you finish your job!

    EricMilligan
    Reply by EricMilligan

    Hi, Nicolo! Thanks for commenting on this track. I've tried for years to make a good trance track. I don't know why it seems to be so hard for me.

    I supposed this could be synth pop. I think most of my tracks are probably in the pop genre. I don't feel embarrassed by that. Making a good pop track is not easy. Making a good EDM track is definitely not easy either.

    From other comments it looks like I need to do more work on the bass parts and the kick drum track. I have about 3 or 4 kick drum tracks on the project, so there is more refinement required. MPOProduction has suggested, I think, that the kick needs to be tuned properly. I know that's supposed to be really important, at least for some EDM genres. I know how to do that, at least in theory. I guess it's time to practice.

    Thanks again for the feedback.

    Eric

  12. MPOProduction
    MPOProduction on Sun 28th Apr 2019 - 5 months ago

    I like it ! cool .. just a small note.. the first 4/4 kick at 0:16 I have the feeling ... it clash a bit when you start the second beat.. for instance ... I use automation and reduce the frequency.. in some of my beats ..

    EricMilligan
    Reply by EricMilligan

    Thanks for the feedback on the track.

    As you can see from my reply to Kyle, I've had trouble getting the low frequency parts of the track to sit right in the mix. If I understand your suggestion correctly, you think I should use automation of tuning on the kick track to lower the frequency. Essentially, tuning the kick to the key of the song? Have I understood correctly?

    Eric

  13. KooLKYLE
    KooLKYLE on Sun 28th Apr 2019 - 5 months ago

    good stuff id say a deeper kick layered under what you have and some sub bass could do good i think

    EricMilligan
    Reply by EricMilligan

    Hi, Kyle. Thanks for the advice on this track.

    I had written a nice lengthy response to your post, but something went “wrong” and it didn’t post. Lost the whole thing.

    So, here is another go at it. I’ve got tinnitus, probably from spending too many years in front of loud guitar amps, a long time ago. Anyway, that apparently means that I probably have hearing loss for high frequencies. Consequently, I probably tend to set those parts a bit higher in the mix than I should. I think things are in balance, but they really aren’t. Anybody with normal hearing would hear the track as being out of balance. That’s not an excuse for how this track sounds, but it might be the explanation.

    I actually had NO bass part on this track at all, but added a couple of layered bass tracks to the project pretty much at the last minute. I really never found bass sounds that I thought worked perfectly. The track got buddy real quick, even with compression. I ended up EQing the bass parts a lot to keep them focused and to keep the mix as clean as possible. But, it still was muddier than I had wanted. Clearly, I need to spend more time finding the right bass sounds.

    Thanks again for the feedback. I really do appreciate it.

    Eric

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