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25th Apr 2019 03:24 - 5 years ago
Description : Another attempt in my continuing efforts to learn how make a trance track. Is intended to have a vocal doing the melody. Would try to find a singer but need to work out lyrics first. For this track I tried to make the melody not too repetitive. I limited it to four bars max of the same melodic phrase.

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If you have time take a listen and give EricMilligan some feedback.

fidiu
fidiu 8th Nov 2019 23:14 - 4 years ago
Hi Eric! I love it. You said that the highs are a litle bit agresive due to your hering loss, but for me this is what it gives some groove to those nice warming sounds. A while ago (a few years actually) you downloaded one of my song to your iPhone to play it on your way to work. At that time you encouraged me a lot. I wanted to thank you because it did help me to learn more. Maybe you can check my latest song and leave your opinion again. I would apreciate it. https://www.looperman.com/tracks/detail/208733
Maybe you can use Tonal Balance from Izotope on your master track as Last plugin to see how your mix is balanced. Search for it on YouTube to see what it can do.
EricMilligan
EricMilligan replied 21st Jan 2020 - 4 years ago
Thanks for the suggestion about Tonal Balance, Fidiu. I actually have the plugin, but hadn't used it. Am working with it now and I think it will definitely help me. Thanks again.

Eric
TameChild5000
TameChild5000 21st Sep 2019 08:39 - 4 years ago
trance is definitely the toughest genre to master, but you are on the right path. far ahead of me when i first started ten years ago.
EricMilligan
EricMilligan replied 21st Jan 2020 - 4 years ago
Thanks for the encouragement. I am embarrassed to admit that I've been at it much longer than you, so the just proves that I'm either a really really slow learner or just plain hopeless. :). I guess my best excuse is that I have a short attention span and really don't stick to one genre. Would probably make better progress if I did

Thanks again,

Eric
therednebula
therednebula 3rd May 2019 15:35 - 5 years ago
this song was really neat. I really love the melody. I would suggest making the melody stand out a little more somehow because (this is my opinion) I feel the beat over shadows the melody a little bit but other than that its amazing.
EricMilligan
EricMilligan replied 6th May 2019 - 5 years ago
Thanks, rednebula.

I am planning to work on the track some more, so will see about setting the melody line a bit higher in the mix. Glad you liked the melody line. It really is meant for vocals.

Sometimes I get frustrated and do the vocals myself, although I am an absolutely horrible singer. But for this track, there was just no way I could do vocals on it. I'm getting some ideas for lyrics. Not much sense getting a vocalist lined up if there are no words! :)

Eric
ZoxoSonor
ZoxoSonor 1st May 2019 13:48 - 5 years ago
oh! this is good!
EricMilligan
EricMilligan replied 6th May 2019 - 5 years ago
Thanks for for the encouragement, ZoxoSonor! :)
HeathAlexander
HeathAlexander 1st May 2019 02:59 - 5 years ago
Usually when I think of trance I think boring and repetitive, but this is very neat and very listenable. Your instruments have pleasing tones. I like that the kick and bass are more subdued because it allows the pretty melodies to dominate.
EricMilligan
EricMilligan replied 1st May 2019 - 5 years ago
Thanks, Heath. I don't think trance has to be boring and repetitive, although I agree that some of it is. I like a focus on melody. Perhaps that's why JoeFunktastic felt that this really wasn't trance.

I have had a tendency in my tracks to make the kick too dominant I think. I am trying to dial it down a bit. My wife calls my music "thump, thump music". That's not meant as a compliment, but it accurately reflects the way I have mixed kicks and bass in my tracks.

I think this track would be a lot better if it had real vocals. Just need to work out some lyrics. And, find a singer of course! :)

Eric
RuslanG
RuslanG 30th Apr 2019 20:25 - 5 years ago
Nice!
EricMilligan
EricMilligan replied 1st May 2019 - 5 years ago
Thanks very much Ruslan. Nice to hear from you!

Eric
MPOProduction
MPOProduction 30th Apr 2019 17:44 - 5 years ago
Hi EricMilligan
Please excuse my delay.. and my poor english it is not my mother tongue..
according to my update ...I am working with Logic but I guess you can do this with any DAW.

Create a low pass filter or hight pass filter dependent what you want to remove.
Simple when you second beat start use the automation to activate the Filer .. on and off..

I used this a lot before I bought Ozone .. now I am using the dynamic eq of ozone 8 .. ;-)

I now it is very expensive ... but in my workflow it saves a lot of time !!
EricMilligan
EricMilligan replied 1st May 2019 - 5 years ago
Thanks very much for the explanation. I use Logic as well. And I also use Ozone. Haven't used the dynamic EQ. I'm assuming that you are using automated EQ to duck beats because the drum tracks in audio files, not midi files. All the tracks in this project are midi, except for the sound effects (boomers).

So, I could get the same result simply by editing the midi information in the drum tracks? Either removing or muting the midi notes for the second beats?

I should use the EQ technique for tracks that are audio files?

Eric
DijamMusic
DijamMusic 30th Apr 2019 02:00 - 5 years ago
Hello Eric,
Mate, me too I love to do a trance track that I'm happy with but unfortunately I can not make a track to save my life(Trance).
You are far ahead of me mate this track is brilliant well done mate.
Fave for a wonderful effort.
Great Job
Jamid
EricMilligan
EricMilligan replied 30th Apr 2019 - 5 years ago
Thanks, Jamid. I've concluded that although EDM seems like it should easy to make, in fact it is very complex. Producers need to master a whole variety of skills to produce something that is good. I have so much to learn, and so little time. :)

Eric
CelestiaAngel777
CelestiaAngel777 29th Apr 2019 17:55 - 5 years ago
GREAT! track.
EricMilligan
EricMilligan replied 29th Apr 2019 - 5 years ago
Thank-you for the feedback, Sweetcherries. I'm determined to learn how to do decent trance tracks.

Eric
NESMANGA
NESMANGA 29th Apr 2019 10:13 - 5 years ago
I did like most of the parts. I did think the off beats could off been a tad better / tighter. But this was a good effort. KEEP GOING. I want to hear more from you in this community as time as goes on.

Suggestion: Listen to some older and newer tracks from Perfecto Records for ideas.
(NES MANGA)
EricMilligan
EricMilligan replied 29th Apr 2019 - 5 years ago
Thanks for the advice, Nesmanga. I will definitely check out tracks from Perfecto Records. And NES Manga TV on Youtube as well.

Eric
HenryPascal
HenryPascal 28th Apr 2019 15:36 - 5 years ago
When i red "Trance" i did expect something like Gouryella style. But this is... SOOO MUCH BETTER! Dunno why, for me its synth pop, not trance. Really like the atmosphere you create here, sounds kinda my style! Sure, keep on working on this, "you won't laugh, you will not cry" 'till you finish your job!
EricMilligan
EricMilligan replied 29th Apr 2019 - 5 years ago
Hi, Nicolo! Thanks for commenting on this track. I've tried for years to make a good trance track. I don't know why it seems to be so hard for me.

I supposed this could be synth pop. I think most of my tracks are probably in the pop genre. I don't feel embarrassed by that. Making a good pop track is not easy. Making a good EDM track is definitely not easy either.

From other comments it looks like I need to do more work on the bass parts and the kick drum track. I have about 3 or 4 kick drum tracks on the project, so there is more refinement required. MPOProduction has suggested, I think, that the kick needs to be tuned properly. I know that's supposed to be really important, at least for some EDM genres. I know how to do that, at least in theory. I guess it's time to practice.

Thanks again for the feedback.

Eric
MPOProduction
MPOProduction 28th Apr 2019 11:08 - 5 years ago
I like it ! cool .. just a small note.. the first 4/4 kick at 0:16 I have the feeling ... it clash a bit when you start the second beat.. for instance ... I use automation and reduce the frequency.. in some of my beats ..
EricMilligan
EricMilligan replied 29th Apr 2019 - 5 years ago
Thanks for the feedback on the track.

As you can see from my reply to Kyle, I've had trouble getting the low frequency parts of the track to sit right in the mix. If I understand your suggestion correctly, you think I should use automation of tuning on the kick track to lower the frequency. Essentially, tuning the kick to the key of the song? Have I understood correctly?

Eric
KooLKYLE
KooLKYLE 28th Apr 2019 07:06 - 5 years ago
good stuff id say a deeper kick layered under what you have and some sub bass could do good i think
EricMilligan
EricMilligan replied 29th Apr 2019 - 5 years ago
Hi, Kyle. Thanks for the advice on this track.

I had written a nice lengthy response to your post, but something went “wrong” and it didn’t post. Lost the whole thing.

So, here is another go at it. I’ve got tinnitus, probably from spending too many years in front of loud guitar amps, a long time ago. Anyway, that apparently means that I probably have hearing loss for high frequencies. Consequently, I probably tend to set those parts a bit higher in the mix than I should. I think things are in balance, but they really aren’t. Anybody with normal hearing would hear the track as being out of balance. That’s not an excuse for how this track sounds, but it might be the explanation.

I actually had NO bass part on this track at all, but added a couple of layered bass tracks to the project pretty much at the last minute. I really never found bass sounds that I thought worked perfectly. The track got buddy real quick, even with compression. I ended up EQing the bass parts a lot to keep them focused and to keep the mix as clean as possible. But, it still was muddier than I had wanted. Clearly, I need to spend more time finding the right bass sounds.

Thanks again for the feedback. I really do appreciate it.

Eric

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