I think that the most impressive element of this track is the clean sound and overall great engineering and mixing you did. I come from a metal background, and I know that it can be very hard to achieve a clean sound within this genre. You did a great job with that. The guitar playing is pretty good. Good job!
I apologize for the year long delay. But, better late than never, huh?
Thank you for the kind words. I think, for a 100% solo project, as far as the heavy metal engineering and mixing goes, that takes longer to perfect than the writing and composition of the track itself.
I started to listen , but that intro made me have to go pee. Damn getting old. Ok, back to the creepy plucks and then that brass sound. Intense opening my friend and sounds great in my earphones with awesome placement. Then that cymbal crash. Sabbath like beats, Then that phased sound kicks off like a demon spewing filth from itÅ› unholy mouth. Then 2:35 the guitar riffs kick in with the tomÅ› and massive snare attack. Holy Wah effects man. Amazing at this point. You bring it down at 3:54 to some clearing in the forest where the rites will be performed whether you want them or not. Beautiful arrangement so far. 6min mark brings some heavy back. Like your climbing that mountain with a heavy load, shedding all the differential weight on the ascent. As crowded this is with distortion I can still hear all the elements, so amazing production. Awesome ending with the crash. Loved it Mate. Loved it.
Cru
A very solid and nice track indeed. I certainly did dig it. Love the grudgy and roughy guitar elements in it. At the same time, it was like, i was listening to two different songs at the same time. The metal part, as well as a sort of tranquil nature track. So i did loved the elements that you did combine all together. So a job well done. Keep up the good work and keep on creating.
Verdiqo, thank you for the kind words. I like your take on the song, and how it felt like 2 songs at once. That wasn't my intention, but I like the idea just the same!
Definitely feeling a little Floyd...especially in the lower/mellower build & break bits (love that organ part)...kudos on the thoughtful composing that obviously went into this..it evolves like a musical story...perfectly arranged as far as my tastes go...I can imagine the amount of creative time that must have gone into this (I wish some of our looper types would take lessons from it)....Can`t offer high enough praise Aaron...and sure dont have anything to otherwise offer other than to say....even though I`m not a big metal fan (unless Floyd & Metallica count) I enjoyed listening to this whole thing.....and its not too long...my ears were still at full attention to the last note...Big well done to you.....keep on.....Ed
Ed. Sorry for the late reply. Honestly, I wasn't sure how to respond to such high praise.
Suggesting that others could learn from my work is quite a compliment. Which would be a cool idea for a thread post. "Pick a looper, and break down one of their tracks." Then dissect it part by part as you describe your interpretation of it, or even on a technical level.
There is definitely a little Floyd in it. I think at this point, everything I do has just a touch somewhere in it. I dont think I can escape that!
Like I said to Neo, its good to hear that my arrangements are satisfactory. Sometimes, that's one of my biggest hangups.
Floyd and Metallica definitely count. Even though now-a-days Metallica isnt as high on my list of favorites, back in the day they were the top of the tier.
Thank you, Ed for continuously taking time to listen and comment. Your endless support and encouragement means a lot to me. Especially knowing that metal isnt at the top of your list!
Bandit, thank you for taking the time to stop and listen, and comment. I'm gkad you liked it, and I apologize for such a late reply. I appreciate it, none the less.
I forgot to mention a few things in my first comment. Dude, I have had to listen to this several times. Your playing has really evolved and I'm seriously amazed. I know your into a lot of different forms of Metal and as such, influenced by many bands but if I had to pick one this really reminds me of its Mastodon. The heavy rhythm chugs and fat notes sound very close especially tone wise and the mixture of Prog Rock/Metal, Psychedelia is yet another similarity. I'm hoping you are feverishly working on the next installment. Oh and yeah, danke makes a good point in reference to your extended track times and that maybe you may have to take up the mantle since it appears that StaticNomad has dropped off the grid. He once was the undisputed king, the so-called Looperman Long Shanks of track times but alas, it looks as though his reign has now come to an end and its time to name his successor. ( I'm laying it on thick here in case he reads this in hope to flush him out and goad him back into action, ha ha)! It surely looks like your up to the task. Ok bro, enough with the proverbial butt slapping and high fives. Get to work on part "Deux" brother !
You are correct about there being some serious nature out here. The bear thing, yeah, that's real, man. There have been a few times I was out and about and noticed that I wasn't alone. Once I was at this little mountain pond, walking around in the woods, and I looked down and saw some really fresh bear tracks. Around them, were smaller bear tracks. Which, as I'm sure you can guess, meant there was a mama bear and her cubs, and anyone who has any survival instincts at all knows...you come across mamma bear and her kiddo's...you get the hell out of Dodge. Which is exactly what I did.
The intro to this song is supposed to be an acoustic guitar. I was using Philharmonik VST. Not the greatest, but with a little creativity, I got it to sound fitting at least.
I'm relieved to hear that the transitions and leads were good. Those are the two things I have the hardest time with I can come up with rhythms and riffs all day long, but coming up with them so they flow together organically, that's the tricky part. Same with leads. Getting them to follow the song without just being a bunch of notes thrown together like a roll of the dice is really difficult for me. I'm just not a lead kind of guy.
"Your playing has really evolved and I'm seriously amazed."
Dude, that is a huge compliment, and means a lot! Thank you for that, man!
As far as the Mastodon influence...definitely. It wasn't a conscious thing, but much like Pink Floyd, I've listened to so much of them, it just kind of naturally comes out. As far as my "drumming" goes, Brann Dailor is by far one of my biggest influences.
I am in fact working on the next installment. It's not going to smooth at the moment. I kind of his a spot where it could go one of two ways, and I'm not really sure which way to choose. SO, I'm sitting on it for a week or so. Then I can go back and listen again. Once I do, I'll know exactly where to go with it.
I will pass on to StaticNomad that his empty throne has been filled. I've been trying to get him off his ass, too. Maybe this will be encouragement. If not, we'll have to start referring to him as StaticNowhereToBeFoundMad.
Tell ya what, man. Next time you head out this way, let me know. I'll take you out for a beer or something.
no tale ... we are opening a new king ... since Staticnomad has disappeared, we are always looking forward to your new opus Aaron ... but now you have done all that much ... who can give you the credentials of a theme in the music, the word is called: artist ... my favorite is around 7.30, Slayer ... :-)
I am humbled by your kind words, my friend. It's always encouraging to hear such positive feedback. It inspires me to not only keep doing it, but to keep striving to do it better than the last one.
As always, I appreciate your feedback and always look forward to hearing from you.
I read your description before playing it and having visited your neck of the woods several times in the past, was reminded of one occasion when I ended up on an excursion with some friends from Portland. We piled into a van and headed into the forest on a dirt road for miles up some mountain to pick Huckle berries and mushrooms! I saw Bear warning signs along the road !! We got out and wandered into the woods and walked around for a few hours. Yeah it was beautiful, huge trees, rivers and lakes everywhere but I was scared shitless the whole time thinking I was going to end ripped to shreads by some man eating bear! Listening to this track and thinking back on that crazy adventure did stir some emotions, mainly fear and anxiety. There is definitely some serious nature there in Washington and Oregon no doubt.
But, back to the track. This thing plays like some kind of a metal rock opera. I seriously dig all the guitar variation here, particularly the melodic stuff. It also incorporates a nice mixture of styles from slow Doom/Melodic Death metal grooves to the more aggressive Hardcore/Metal Core blastbeat rhythms. Super tasty structuring throughout. Love that intro. Hard to tell if its acoustic guitar or a harpsicord (strings or keys), but its mighty cool all the same. Also some really nice articulation within those lead notes, the portamento slides and cross fades are sweet and really add some fabulous dimension. Aaron I gotta say you killed it here man. I was just digging each and every one of the transitions in here. Super heavy riffs in the outtro and I cant forget to mention the superb drum track, all combine to make this one awesome piece of metal music. I'm really looking forward to the next part of this one !
Dude, I was about three quarters of the way through a big-ass reply to your second comment up there, and my damn phone glitched out and I lost the whole damn thing. I'm at work right now, so I'm saying F it. I'll wait until tomorrow when I can sit down at my 'puter and type it out properly. So, real reply coming soon. Until then, if you haven't already, check out a little band called Glowsun. If Pelican and Karma To Burn had a kid, it would be these guys.
No doubt...a masterpiece !!! Splendidly structured with brilliant buildup and growing tension combined with parts more relaxed, for example that break at 3:53 is simply magical, and on top of all brilliant sound and production...or in one sentence top notch treat on all levels! Aaron, sincerely, this must be one of your best (if not the best) metal creations...well, maybe even overall!!
Wow, Leon. That's some very positive feedback! Truly appreciated! For years my work came from an angry place, but over the last 3 years or so,(and a lot of introspection), I've managed to let go of it all. Now my work is inspired by that which surrounds me. In this case, nature. I believe by letting that happen, it's opened up a new door for creativity, and the results thereof!
Thank you for your kind words and continuing support.
Wow !!!
I've only recently joined the Looperman community and it's really inspiring to hear what you guys are doing. I'm a bedroom guitarist who enjoys playing along to these tracks. You've really nailed the PF sound on this one. I tried soloing over the top but in the end realised it didn't need my guitar as I was cluttering it up. Its spot on as it is. Really impressed. Well done and thanks.
Hi Aaron...although I'm more a fan of your industrial stuff I must admit you're making top class recordings in metal teritory
as well and this one is no exception. It's true power pack of massive sound that you produce so damn well. Instant fav !
First, thank you for the kind words. Knowing that metal isn't really in yiur list of favorites, it means a lot more that you still take the time to listen and comment.
As far as the industrial Valvedriver, stay tuned. Summer months generally bring out the metal in me. But, the colder winter months always seem to be when I do more of my darker, synth driven industrial style. I'm not sure why, though. That's just how it happens.
As always, I appreciate you stopping by, and always look forward to your input.
"Forgive my ignorance, but By "...too clean" do you mean tones and production, or the lack of fret noises and other organic artifacts that come from live guitars, or are they too perfectly timed due to being programed in a DAW, or all the above?"
Aaron, I was only referring to the comparison to Kyuss. They go for a much more raw sound with their guitars with dirty distortion and heavily muted tones.
No man, I'm not complaining that it doesn't sound real enough. I'm not one of those guys. On the contrary, I love the sound on this and I'm pretty damn impressed and all in on someone that can produce virtual guitar at this level. By the way I have spent countless hours editing guitar tracks to remove string scrapes and pick noises etc. to clean things up. Sometimes it sounds cool but mores times than not it too obvious or annoying. I'm digging what your doing bro, keep it up.
I knew you weren't complaining, bud. I didn't even consider the thought that you were. I was only asking for the sole purpose of improving my works. I'm all about making it sound as real as possible, and who better to learn from than someone who knows, ya know? I thought maybe there were things I could have done to make it sound less...software.
Either way, man. I always look forward to what you have to say, and I'm always willing to accept pointers and advice, so whenever you might have some, throw it my way, mister!
Oh Hell yeah,,,well befitting of The Valvedriver,,,,,you really have been nailing the mixes Aaron...this is top class all the way....my hair is growing back in even though metal hasn`t often been my first listening choice....but canT ignore music when its well done with this kind of composing & mixing skills...I have an old 1983 Takamine electric gtr with a couple of Dimarzio high output pickups that does this kind of stuff to a T..tempted to pill it out of its resting place & make a noise...great stuff my friend....keep on...Ed
I'm not sure what to say, getting that kind of praise from someone of your caliber makes my freakin day, man.
Man, I wish my hair would grow back after listening to it! I know metal isn't real high on your list of preferred genres, so it means even more to me that you still swing by and listen.
I think having found and learned the Shreddage vst was a really good rhing for me. Metal IS my favorite genre. And while I had a lot of fun with the electronic, synth based stuff from my early days here, being able to create the music I love just makes it so much easier. It just flows so much more freely.
As far as dusting off the ol' Takamine...do it! I dare ya! ;)
Ed, you take care, and as always, I truly appreciate your feedback.
Ooooo, that sustain is wicked man! Its pretty clean though so I'm guessing its all digital processed. Yeah a nice hard driver here bro. I dig the chord changeups and the drum track is also excellent and very tastefully done. Danke mentioned Kyuss and even though its probably way too clean guitar wise, it does remind me of something they have done. Definitely has a nice stoner groove and sounds great. Always a treat to see another ValveDriver track on the menu. We got to keep this place rockin !
Yeah, it's all digital all the time with this boy.
Honestly, I never really got into Kyuss. I love the music, but the guys voice just doesn't do it for me. Which is the case for a lot of bands.
Forgive my ignorance, but By "...too clean" do you mean tones and productuon, or the lack of fret noises and other organic artifacts that come from live guitars, or are they too perfectly timed due to being programed in a DAW, or all the above?
I'm glad you like this one. I always look forward to your reviews, man. Thank you!
Awesome song dude. Did like this one a lot. Rock on! Everything in the track just fitted perfectly. So yeah a very solid and good track. Keep up the good work. And keep on listening & creating. And again well done. * bro fist *
Fav from the first second...this is like a slow Kyuss jam in the rehearsal room with high quality...maybe that guy below could send some Garcia like vocs on this...
excellent track, congrats and hail for metal...hope all is well...Danke
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Take care.
V.
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I apologize for the year long delay. But, better late than never, huh?
Thank you for the kind words. I think, for a 100% solo project, as far as the heavy metal engineering and mixing goes, that takes longer to perfect than the writing and composition of the track itself.
Take care.
V.
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Cru
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Thank you again, it's always appreciated.
Take care.
V.
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Suggesting that others could learn from my work is quite a compliment. Which would be a cool idea for a thread post. "Pick a looper, and break down one of their tracks." Then dissect it part by part as you describe your interpretation of it, or even on a technical level.
There is definitely a little Floyd in it. I think at this point, everything I do has just a touch somewhere in it. I dont think I can escape that!
Like I said to Neo, its good to hear that my arrangements are satisfactory. Sometimes, that's one of my biggest hangups.
Floyd and Metallica definitely count. Even though now-a-days Metallica isnt as high on my list of favorites, back in the day they were the top of the tier.
Thank you, Ed for continuously taking time to listen and comment. Your endless support and encouragement means a lot to me. Especially knowing that metal isnt at the top of your list!
Sincerely, do take care!
Aaron
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Take care, V.
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I forgot to mention a few things in my first comment. Dude, I have had to listen to this several times. Your playing has really evolved and I'm seriously amazed. I know your into a lot of different forms of Metal and as such, influenced by many bands but if I had to pick one this really reminds me of its Mastodon. The heavy rhythm chugs and fat notes sound very close especially tone wise and the mixture of Prog Rock/Metal, Psychedelia is yet another similarity. I'm hoping you are feverishly working on the next installment. Oh and yeah, danke makes a good point in reference to your extended track times and that maybe you may have to take up the mantle since it appears that StaticNomad has dropped off the grid. He once was the undisputed king, the so-called Looperman Long Shanks of track times but alas, it looks as though his reign has now come to an end and its time to name his successor. ( I'm laying it on thick here in case he reads this in hope to flush him out and goad him back into action, ha ha)! It surely looks like your up to the task. Ok bro, enough with the proverbial butt slapping and high fives. Get to work on part "Deux" brother !
You are correct about there being some serious nature out here. The bear thing, yeah, that's real, man. There have been a few times I was out and about and noticed that I wasn't alone. Once I was at this little mountain pond, walking around in the woods, and I looked down and saw some really fresh bear tracks. Around them, were smaller bear tracks. Which, as I'm sure you can guess, meant there was a mama bear and her cubs, and anyone who has any survival instincts at all knows...you come across mamma bear and her kiddo's...you get the hell out of Dodge. Which is exactly what I did.
The intro to this song is supposed to be an acoustic guitar. I was using Philharmonik VST. Not the greatest, but with a little creativity, I got it to sound fitting at least.
I'm relieved to hear that the transitions and leads were good. Those are the two things I have the hardest time with I can come up with rhythms and riffs all day long, but coming up with them so they flow together organically, that's the tricky part. Same with leads. Getting them to follow the song without just being a bunch of notes thrown together like a roll of the dice is really difficult for me. I'm just not a lead kind of guy.
"Your playing has really evolved and I'm seriously amazed."
Dude, that is a huge compliment, and means a lot! Thank you for that, man!
As far as the Mastodon influence...definitely. It wasn't a conscious thing, but much like Pink Floyd, I've listened to so much of them, it just kind of naturally comes out. As far as my "drumming" goes, Brann Dailor is by far one of my biggest influences.
I am in fact working on the next installment. It's not going to smooth at the moment. I kind of his a spot where it could go one of two ways, and I'm not really sure which way to choose. SO, I'm sitting on it for a week or so. Then I can go back and listen again. Once I do, I'll know exactly where to go with it.
I will pass on to StaticNomad that his empty throne has been filled. I've been trying to get him off his ass, too. Maybe this will be encouragement. If not, we'll have to start referring to him as StaticNowhereToBeFoundMad.
Tell ya what, man. Next time you head out this way, let me know. I'll take you out for a beer or something.
Take care, brother.
Aaron.
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hats off as Leon showed, Danke
I am humbled by your kind words, my friend. It's always encouraging to hear such positive feedback. It inspires me to not only keep doing it, but to keep striving to do it better than the last one.
As always, I appreciate your feedback and always look forward to hearing from you.
Take care, sir.
Aaron
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That's a bad ass track man.
I read your description before playing it and having visited your neck of the woods several times in the past, was reminded of one occasion when I ended up on an excursion with some friends from Portland. We piled into a van and headed into the forest on a dirt road for miles up some mountain to pick Huckle berries and mushrooms! I saw Bear warning signs along the road !! We got out and wandered into the woods and walked around for a few hours. Yeah it was beautiful, huge trees, rivers and lakes everywhere but I was scared shitless the whole time thinking I was going to end ripped to shreads by some man eating bear! Listening to this track and thinking back on that crazy adventure did stir some emotions, mainly fear and anxiety. There is definitely some serious nature there in Washington and Oregon no doubt.
But, back to the track. This thing plays like some kind of a metal rock opera. I seriously dig all the guitar variation here, particularly the melodic stuff. It also incorporates a nice mixture of styles from slow Doom/Melodic Death metal grooves to the more aggressive Hardcore/Metal Core blastbeat rhythms. Super tasty structuring throughout. Love that intro. Hard to tell if its acoustic guitar or a harpsicord (strings or keys), but its mighty cool all the same. Also some really nice articulation within those lead notes, the portamento slides and cross fades are sweet and really add some fabulous dimension. Aaron I gotta say you killed it here man. I was just digging each and every one of the transitions in here. Super heavy riffs in the outtro and I cant forget to mention the superb drum track, all combine to make this one awesome piece of metal music. I'm really looking forward to the next part of this one !
Back at'cha soon.
Aaron
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Hat's off_____Leon
Thank you for your kind words and continuing support.
Take care.
Aaron
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I've only recently joined the Looperman community and it's really inspiring to hear what you guys are doing. I'm a bedroom guitarist who enjoys playing along to these tracks. You've really nailed the PF sound on this one. I tried soloing over the top but in the end realised it didn't need my guitar as I was cluttering it up. Its spot on as it is. Really impressed. Well done and thanks.
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as well and this one is no exception. It's true power pack of massive sound that you produce so damn well. Instant fav !
Compliments____Leon
First, thank you for the kind words. Knowing that metal isn't really in yiur list of favorites, it means a lot more that you still take the time to listen and comment.
As far as the industrial Valvedriver, stay tuned. Summer months generally bring out the metal in me. But, the colder winter months always seem to be when I do more of my darker, synth driven industrial style. I'm not sure why, though. That's just how it happens.
As always, I appreciate you stopping by, and always look forward to your input.
Take care, friend.
Aaron.
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Aaron, I was only referring to the comparison to Kyuss. They go for a much more raw sound with their guitars with dirty distortion and heavily muted tones.
No man, I'm not complaining that it doesn't sound real enough. I'm not one of those guys. On the contrary, I love the sound on this and I'm pretty damn impressed and all in on someone that can produce virtual guitar at this level. By the way I have spent countless hours editing guitar tracks to remove string scrapes and pick noises etc. to clean things up. Sometimes it sounds cool but mores times than not it too obvious or annoying. I'm digging what your doing bro, keep it up.
Either way, man. I always look forward to what you have to say, and I'm always willing to accept pointers and advice, so whenever you might have some, throw it my way, mister!
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I'm not sure what to say, getting that kind of praise from someone of your caliber makes my freakin day, man.
Man, I wish my hair would grow back after listening to it! I know metal isn't real high on your list of preferred genres, so it means even more to me that you still swing by and listen.
I think having found and learned the Shreddage vst was a really good rhing for me. Metal IS my favorite genre. And while I had a lot of fun with the electronic, synth based stuff from my early days here, being able to create the music I love just makes it so much easier. It just flows so much more freely.
As far as dusting off the ol' Takamine...do it! I dare ya! ;)
Ed, you take care, and as always, I truly appreciate your feedback.
Aaron.
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Yeah, it's all digital all the time with this boy.
Honestly, I never really got into Kyuss. I love the music, but the guys voice just doesn't do it for me. Which is the case for a lot of bands.
Forgive my ignorance, but By "...too clean" do you mean tones and productuon, or the lack of fret noises and other organic artifacts that come from live guitars, or are they too perfectly timed due to being programed in a DAW, or all the above?
I'm glad you like this one. I always look forward to your reviews, man. Thank you!
Take care, my friend.
Aaron.
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Ronabo
Thanks again.
Take care.
V.
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Take care.
V.
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Fav from the first second...this is like a slow Kyuss jam in the rehearsal room with high quality...maybe that guy below could send some Garcia like vocs on this...
excellent track, congrats and hail for metal...hope all is well...Danke
I hope all is well with you.
Take care my friend.
Aaron.
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Take care.
V.
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I appreciate the kind words. Especially from someone with your level of talent. Thanks, man.
Take care. V.