"Thanks man, appreciate the kind words. I am stoked to start working with Addictive Drums. Will be working on something this weekend.
Thanks for all your input, it helps. It's always good to get outside input and opinions. The support is highly appreciated."
No problem. I'll look out for a new track using Addictive Drums when you post it. I expect the drums to be much better and am sure they will be. I've just very briefly had a look at a review of AD and found this criticism: "It's not possible to have more than one kick, snare or ride cymbal in a kit."
The review was from 2007 but that's a bit annoying if (still) true.
I use Superior Drummer and you can add extra kit parts, which is great for mixing up the various add-on packs you buy (I have bought many).
With Addictive, what you might need to do is load a few instances of separate kits and then have a whole load of MIDI files on each track and just keep experimenting with moving them around until you get things to flow perfectly and sound quite distinctive. You might, for instance, want to have a different snare for verse and chorus so you can then try moving the MIDI parts between the different kits you have set up.
This is especially useful for someone like me who likes to mix up the genres and sort of force one on top of another. My detailed drum programming is a big part of that. Even if you just want to do straightish rock stuff, working with a lot of fills that you mix and match and edit and fine tune can really help make it sound as though you have a killer drummer rather than just a decent one, which is what you;d get if you lazily just used the MID files included in AD without much extra editing or layering.
Don't forget to pay close attention to your velocity levels of each kit piece. You can edit them in your sequencer. Sometimes, there's quite a heavy sound that plays at the top velocuty level (127) so sometimes you need to carefully reduce this (especially for snare and kick). The velocity levels of the playing is important for giving the right feel as the timing of the playing and the choice of kit part played.
If you don't already know all this, you'll probably find it out anyway but I thought I'd just give you a heads up and some things to think about early on. Ask me if any of this advice is not clear enough and I shall clarify...
Hi TopVega,
Good song. I am not sure you need a vocal part: maybe a keyboard player who could keep your pace would be more beneficial than a singer. Just an idea...
Liked & downloaded it.
Take care, Domenico
Hey Domenico, I think I agree with you on the no vocals. It's a little busy to be sung over. Will look into adding a keyboard or two to make up for no vocals. Appreciate the support and the input.
This is good and there's a definite song in there for a songwriter to make something of.
It builds and gets better over that first minute and those twin guitars work really well. Nice mix between the rhythm riffs and the lead psychedelic stuff.
Glad to hear you're getting Addictive Drums. I haven't used it but have other, similar hypersampled. I have many times on here recommended such software to producers as lower quality loops just don't cut it and you can do so much with these hypersampled acoustic drum products. Your stuff will be way better and new grooves and fills will give you ideas for riffs and how to progress your music.
While this track is a bit samey, it's all good stuff but would benefit from those Addictive drums and the proper song over the top. Keep going because it's well worth pursuing but there's still a long way to go to make it as good as it could and should be.
Thanks Paulo, I appreciate the kind words of support and your taking the time to check it out. This is one of my more mellow tracks. Most of my stuff is a lot harder than this.
It rocks but it's definitely not heavy metal, as far as I hear it. Metal isn't only about the guitar and the drums would need to be a lot heavier to move it into that genre.
They're good riffs and some of the second (lead) guitar work with those trills is good and psychedelic though the drums let it down as they're using the same fills and patterns too often.
If you want to make a track like this as good as it could/should be, the drumming needs to improve so I hope you get some better software a range of hypersampled kits and start to make good use of the many MIDI files from professional drummers that such software generally comes with (or you can buy the MIDI packs separately). I have great fun all the time working with loads and loads of great professional patterns and mixing them up and layering them and using changes in groove to help me change riffs.
Apart from improved drums (both sounds and playing/patterns) I think this could do with some other change - perhaps something like another sort of instrument coming in (synth?) or the guitar dropping out to leave more space and let the track breathe a bit (allows you also to build it back up again and come back in with a blast).
Or could be good without making those changes I suggested but just having some vocals. Then the lead psychedelic trills could come in when the vocals are having a break and that would count as a change and create some excitement. GOod luck with it...
I originally had it in the Rock section and moved it after CitizenMofo's comment. I will move it back to Rock, thanks.
As for the drums, I wholeheartedly agree. The drums are always the weakest link in my songs by far. I rely too much on samples or drum machines and the loops are static sounding. I have Jam Stix 3 but the drums never sound loud enough or have enough impact with them. I just got Addictive Drums and am practicing with that. Hopefully that will help out the drum sound. I also agree with it being a little busy in spots and unrelenting lead guitar wise. I tend to over do my lead work, I think it's because I wish I could sing and I kinda use the guitar to do the singing. :)
I appreciate the input and you taking the time to listen to it. Always nice to get outside input.
Reminds me of some Govt Mule. Your guitar riffs seem very set and not an off the cuff attempt. Sounds weird, but I appreciate a guitarist who can play the same thing 8 times and not change it. Diggin it.
Funny you say that, I have to try real hard to repeat a riff over and over again. I tend to get bored easily and wind up with a more off the cuff take. I appreciate the kind words and your taking the time to listen.
Thanks again.
Thanks bro...I appreciate the kind words, especially on the guitar work. Always nice to know if something works or not. I wish i could do some vocals but I have yet to have much success. Thanks for taking the time to give it a listen and for leaving a comment.
Thanks a lot Domenico, I appreciate the support. I wish I could sing better, just not there yet. Probably won't ever be able to sing well enough. Maybe someone will get an idea and drop some vocals.
This rocks. Yeah the drum's a bit of a weak link, and (the right) vocals could be nice, but I don't mind that it's an instrumental one bit, so long as it's headbangingly delicious, and this is a crowd mover. Not heavy enough for the heavy metal genre? I disagree on that one, dude. Great work.
Thanks man, I feel you on the leave it as an instrumental thing. As I was mixing it and brightening the sounds a bit I felt like it might be tough for vocals to compete with all that is going on. Everything I do starts as if it will someday have vocals. I have yet to sit down and do a pure instrumental, but this makes me a bit more interested in going in and working on it as an instrumental. Thanks for that thought. After a couple listens I don't know why I didn't think this was Heavy enough...lol. I am going to move it to the Heavy Metal Genre. Thanks for the input and for taking the time to give it a listen.
I'm really sorry but I don't hear nor StaticX neither Fear Factory...but I hear an outstandingly "headbangingly" groovy, bloody brilliant stoner rock song a la KYUSS...John Garcia is laughing proudly somewhere now... :-)
Lol danke...yeah I can hear some KYUSS influence. I think the Staic-X thing I am getting is more due to the drum track. I thanks you for taking the time to listen and leave a comment. I also appreciate all the support.
Great track man. I'm surprised I'm the first person to comment. Great riffs and awesome bass line. Good drum beat but would obviously sound better being played by an actual drummer to give it a better feel. All round great song. Only advise is get a drummer and this song is just calling out for some awesome lyrics over the top and a solo in the middle. Hope this has helped and looking forward to hearing more of your tracks in the future.
Thanks bro, I was starting to think I just totally missed the mark on this one. I think it is probably the best track I have ever done to this point. Seemed like I was the only one though, lol. Thanks for giving it a listen and for the support. Yeah the drums in all my tracks leave a lot to be desired. I have limited skills in the drum department. Trying to get better at working with Jam Stix 3 but couldn't get anything close to this sound drum wise and really wanted that Static-X feel. Maybe someone will get inspired to do some vocals, I am not sure if I can do anything short of a bad impression of Wayne Static. :)
Thanks again for the support, I appreciate it. Nice to know at least one other person out there thinks this track is any good. :) Maybe I need to move it to the Heavy Metal Genre?
I enjoy this style of yours man. The sounds revolve around my head, from left to the right front to back as I sit here still. Dig them grooves. The hip hop rock flavor is a favorite of mine and you did a fine job here, even though it's old it still remains fresh. Gives that 'don't mess with me, I'm jammin' feel ha. This holds well on its own, vocals would add to the flavor but what I like about this idea is already here! Thank you for the share. Fun jam. Peace.
Thanks for the very kind words bro...it's nice to know something you are so passionate about resonates with others. I love a good Hip Hop flavor in my Rock from time to time. I just look for inspiring drum beats to work with. Sometimes they are leaning this way. :)
Thanks for taking the time to give it a listen, it is appreciated.
Thanks bro, I think I owe the BOC influence to my wife, she loves them. I am a big ZZ Top fan and think Billy Gibbons is a master of guitar tone. Appreciate you giving it a listen and taking the time to comment.
Roll em fat too! This sounds Great!! I need to take my thumb out of my butt and learn Reaper, Yeah rip them solos up like a nice big smelly fart!! Thank you for sharing these awesome tracks! I'm no good with vocals either, I got one coming soon with a little death metal growls but that's it for me LOL!, other than saying some things for samples.
Thanks bro, glad you enjoyed this. As for Reaper, I love it. If you are interested I can send you the tutorial videos I have for it. They helped me out big time. If you are interested hit me up at Toppervega@aol.com. I can zip up all the videos and email them to you. Best part about Reaper is it's not a disabled version. You can use it till you get comfortable with it before even buying a license. I look forward to hearing your Death Metal track. I will keep an eye out for it.
The track if fxckin rockin, its my opinion that u should b more aggressive with the solo's. Dont b shy to rip em like a fart rite in front of everyone, :)
Thanks man, I appreciate the support and the call for more aggressive solos. This track was done over a year ago and I have since gotten a bit more aggressive. Still room to turn it up more though. I appreciate you taking the time to listen and leave a comment.
I think I may have already said this to you, but I really like the "live feeling" on your songs.
It really sounds like a real band is playing.
Good!
I think the song has still some "rough" edges (a couple of notes here and there) but this is good stuff!
Domenico
You have Domenico, and I appreciate the kind words and the support. You are right abpout the need to go in and clean up some spots. I will be on vacay next week and will have the time to go in and do some retakes in certain areas to clean up things. Also want to get better tone on the lead guitar. It needs to shimmer a little.
Thanks for taking the time to listen and leave a comment. It's appreciated.
Very kind words bro, it's appreciated. Gilmour is one of my idols and an inspiration to me. Glad I could do a good enough job with the leads to draw even the slightest comparison. Thanks for taking the time to give this a listen and leave a review.
Ha, I wasn't expecting to hear a rock ballad when I read the title, but it works. To me, it just feels like a song about frustration, with women. And I dig that.
Lol, yeah about half the time I name my songs whatever is on my mind. The other half they have something to do with the song itself. This one definitely not. Been in the mood to do a ballad for a while now. Always nice to slow it down and go with a less is more approach to the leads. More opportunity to stress tone and feeling over number of notes. Thanks for the kind words of support. It really is appreciated.
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Thanks for all your input, it helps. It's always good to get outside input and opinions. The support is highly appreciated."
No problem. I'll look out for a new track using Addictive Drums when you post it. I expect the drums to be much better and am sure they will be. I've just very briefly had a look at a review of AD and found this criticism: "It's not possible to have more than one kick, snare or ride cymbal in a kit."
The review was from 2007 but that's a bit annoying if (still) true.
I use Superior Drummer and you can add extra kit parts, which is great for mixing up the various add-on packs you buy (I have bought many).
With Addictive, what you might need to do is load a few instances of separate kits and then have a whole load of MIDI files on each track and just keep experimenting with moving them around until you get things to flow perfectly and sound quite distinctive. You might, for instance, want to have a different snare for verse and chorus so you can then try moving the MIDI parts between the different kits you have set up.
This is especially useful for someone like me who likes to mix up the genres and sort of force one on top of another. My detailed drum programming is a big part of that. Even if you just want to do straightish rock stuff, working with a lot of fills that you mix and match and edit and fine tune can really help make it sound as though you have a killer drummer rather than just a decent one, which is what you;d get if you lazily just used the MID files included in AD without much extra editing or layering.
Don't forget to pay close attention to your velocity levels of each kit piece. You can edit them in your sequencer. Sometimes, there's quite a heavy sound that plays at the top velocuty level (127) so sometimes you need to carefully reduce this (especially for snare and kick). The velocity levels of the playing is important for giving the right feel as the timing of the playing and the choice of kit part played.
If you don't already know all this, you'll probably find it out anyway but I thought I'd just give you a heads up and some things to think about early on. Ask me if any of this advice is not clear enough and I shall clarify...
Good luck!
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Good song. I am not sure you need a vocal part: maybe a keyboard player who could keep your pace would be more beneficial than a singer. Just an idea...
Liked & downloaded it.
Take care, Domenico
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It builds and gets better over that first minute and those twin guitars work really well. Nice mix between the rhythm riffs and the lead psychedelic stuff.
Glad to hear you're getting Addictive Drums. I haven't used it but have other, similar hypersampled. I have many times on here recommended such software to producers as lower quality loops just don't cut it and you can do so much with these hypersampled acoustic drum products. Your stuff will be way better and new grooves and fills will give you ideas for riffs and how to progress your music.
While this track is a bit samey, it's all good stuff but would benefit from those Addictive drums and the proper song over the top. Keep going because it's well worth pursuing but there's still a long way to go to make it as good as it could and should be.
Thanks for all your input, it helps. It's always good to get outside input and opinions. The support is highly appreciated.
Thanks again...
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Good guitars and rythm.
Nice work
Paulo
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They're good riffs and some of the second (lead) guitar work with those trills is good and psychedelic though the drums let it down as they're using the same fills and patterns too often.
If you want to make a track like this as good as it could/should be, the drumming needs to improve so I hope you get some better software a range of hypersampled kits and start to make good use of the many MIDI files from professional drummers that such software generally comes with (or you can buy the MIDI packs separately). I have great fun all the time working with loads and loads of great professional patterns and mixing them up and layering them and using changes in groove to help me change riffs.
Apart from improved drums (both sounds and playing/patterns) I think this could do with some other change - perhaps something like another sort of instrument coming in (synth?) or the guitar dropping out to leave more space and let the track breathe a bit (allows you also to build it back up again and come back in with a blast).
Or could be good without making those changes I suggested but just having some vocals. Then the lead psychedelic trills could come in when the vocals are having a break and that would count as a change and create some excitement. GOod luck with it...
As for the drums, I wholeheartedly agree. The drums are always the weakest link in my songs by far. I rely too much on samples or drum machines and the loops are static sounding. I have Jam Stix 3 but the drums never sound loud enough or have enough impact with them. I just got Addictive Drums and am practicing with that. Hopefully that will help out the drum sound. I also agree with it being a little busy in spots and unrelenting lead guitar wise. I tend to over do my lead work, I think it's because I wish I could sing and I kinda use the guitar to do the singing. :)
I appreciate the input and you taking the time to listen to it. Always nice to get outside input.
Thanks again.
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i hope to hear some vocals on this....
stellar guitar work as always
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I like it a lot and the sound quality is very good!
Definitely you need to find somebody to sing on this!
Very good
Domenico
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I'm really sorry but I don't hear nor StaticX neither Fear Factory...but I hear an outstandingly "headbangingly" groovy, bloody brilliant stoner rock song a la KYUSS...John Garcia is laughing proudly somewhere now... :-)
THANX TV, ALWAYS LOVE YOUR WORKS, MAN
Danke
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Thanks again for the support, I appreciate it. Nice to know at least one other person out there thinks this track is any good. :) Maybe I need to move it to the Heavy Metal Genre?
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Thanks for taking the time to give it a listen, it is appreciated.
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I appreciate you taking the time to give it a listen.
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It really sounds like a real band is playing.
Good!
I think the song has still some "rough" edges (a couple of notes here and there) but this is good stuff!
Domenico
Thanks for taking the time to listen and leave a comment. It's appreciated.
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