Elaine was tellin' me that there was a disparity between the original demo, and then your uptodate take.
Of course personally, I think you have made gold from grace with this...
I don't know why but the crows make me want to cry...
I remember about 2 years ago.. I was talking about how all of looperman was a murder of crows...
I should send you that track...
But
lets see.... Delay is the thing.. I mean...
I am not saying this as a Negative comment.. but I just wanted to muse on it...
"What would you do without delay?!"
Personally, I think I would do my damndest to emulate it with picking and instrumentation.. but I would love to hear a dry mix sometime for my own sick twisted pleasure...
Hey Sean, can you feel the change,...?
I need to come up and see you very soon.
This is one of the most immersible pieces of music I have ever enjoyed.
My only complaint is that I couldn't have been there.
EDIT for everyone confused reading this next part lol
Agreed! I remember you musing on that a bit!
I know for me personally, and you could most definitely agree, that there's a certain substance known to man that somehow initiates that dub/reggae/jam feel?
I know what you know what I am talking about!
I remember, ... I know this is kinda bleh, but listening to stuff like Black Flag, and the Bad Brains... Punk rock jam bands.. and I started to get the idea of it...
And actually funny enough Bob Marley came very late to me in my life... The whole Kingston thing.. I mean... It's just...
what do you do with someone that is putting smoke in the air?
You give them art!
I feel nothing for the cats that watch tv, eat, and sleep.
But the dub/reggae/feeling... It's TOTALLY about what you mentioned in our dialogue... the fact that the mixer board INITIALLY emulated that delay feel because it was recording the monitor sounds....
that split second delay.
became delay... crazy it wasn't feedback lol
I do want to add this song is perfect by the way.. the cow freaked me out and the knife thing...
The things we do for art ehh?
Delay?
Is it just a production technique?
or does it mirror something bigger within the art? (besides making segues sound badaaaasssss lol)
We could probably jive on this for hours.
You should be very proud. This is a piece of work I would show my kids kids (etc,etc)
How long did it take you to create?
or was it just pouring out of you?
Thanks for the timeliness of this review, Abe. Brilliant. I've been exchanging ideas with dungbeatl and jahknow recently about Dub, and this one's been lurking for like 6 months now...so it's on my mind.
What would I do without delay? Just today I was thinking about those moments in music where my soul rang like a bell. For example, when I was 15 I discovered Bob Marley on some late night first-gen cable show. I wept. At that moment I realized why I'd never be truly satisfied with 1970's Rock.
Naturally I sought out Reggae religiously thereafter! When I heard The Clash drawing from it, it only validated what I'd suspected. The rotten thing was I was in small town Eastern Wa and none of my friends wanted anything to do with it. The honesty and sincerity of that early stuff really spoke to me.
In this same time period I saw a documentary about the Kingston recording industry. A lot of the "studios" were in fact living rooms crowded with the musicians, and an engineer in the kitchen with a hole knocked in the wall separating the rooms with a sledgehammer. In these recording sessions, a chillum was always being passed between the musicians, and one was always smoking, and two would pause in playing during the passing.
But the music never stopped! And the smokier the space was, the more that proto-dub came into play. That delay sound on the upstroked guitar string was a total simulation, using what? more and more damping with each stroke of the pick. Same with the snare and rim shots - an echo sound made to speak to the state of consciousness furthering the manipulation of our sense of time.
Yeah, without delay I'd figure out some way to imitate it. Even with delay, I do it anyway and you can hear that in my playing of the genggongs. I do this a lot with the didgeridoo, too and do pseudo-echoes because I have to!
-----> is somewhere over there now! Blown away by your final mixdown. So many interesting and detailed textures. This sounds amazing with the headphones, head is spinning but nodding to the beat with eyes closed. This is like the "Cheshire Cat" scene in slow-mo, all wavey & ripples like warm air over hot pavement. Wow man...dl-_-lb
I'd say about 90% of this version was done with headphones on. More and more I like tweaking at this level, and I suspect it's due to the "ambient logbook" thread. It's also wicked with a good set of sub-woofers (I do edit to this kind of listening, too). I'm glad you dig it optym! Thanks for coming back to hear the final!
Thank you ShojoBeast - that cat has a great name, doesn't she? Maybe I should consider doing a song now called "Peacock Feather?" Thanks for reviewing this one!
mate what a stunning piece, wow, trance piece with your touch and own style, some thing real eerie about this track, like medieval, but so addictive, had to listen too it a couple of times and each time something else shone through, man you are a genius, absolutely stunning...instant fav piece...thank you for once again showing your talents my friend...Peace...Estefano...
Estefano - it's an intense piece and certainly not one to chill out to - lol. It's so interesting seeing what people like and what they don't and I'm finding myself really unable to predict a track's reception. I'm delighted this one works for you! Isn't it cool how many of us naturally gravitate together? I like your music, and you like mine. It's a great arrangement. Cheers and thanks for the fave!
Well thanks for both, then. Admittedly the mod thing's a two-edged sword, but I've got plenty experience wielding a red pen already. Isn't this site a great place?
I really like the cat sounds you've added with this draft, funny and cool! I bet this would drive a cat nuts! You have a style all your own! Congrats on the moderator status BTW!
Yeah, when I first stumbled across that sound while playing with effects stacks, I had a Cure moment and had to pursue it. It's not the same "meow" as in "Love Cats" but I think I've got a good interpretation - especially for those who aren't cat people. Actually, my kids' cats don't blink twice over the sounds here, but they do get a bit excited with the crow samples in the "Butterfly" track! Thanks for reviewing this final version!
Thanks my man! Pretty much a given though considering the quality of my palette here. We got rei4real and jahknow on guitars, jah on organ, and ultrabase on bass and DJatro (aka loopytunes) on drums (and me, too). Arrangement and dubbification was a blast having a virtual band like this to play with! Cheers.
This is a purrrrrfect interpretation of cat behavior! I too have a cat that has his own agenda. I love the way the track flows. The drums and the bass are excellent. You are so creative.
It's surrrrrprising how many people with cats hear it - lol! One thing I really dig about cats are how present they are - they own the space they occupy. Their movement is sublime, too. It's a good thing they're so small, or we'd be living with high stress levels. Thanks for the review and the fave! Quite the compliment, that.
Sector7even - this one really was a happy accident at the launch. The rhythms I was constructing juxtaposed with the Irish ballad to me shouldn't work - but it wanted to! Lots of trial and error and experimentation, it really does. What a trip, huh? Funny I feel exactly that way too with this one. Cheers.
Yeah, between bosonHavoc's upright bass loops and those throat chants, I knew I had to do something. My daughter's cat help point the way. It's an intense piece, and one that I've learned a lot about mixing in the process as well. Thanks!
lol - I'm no Scratch Perry myself, but have been listening to mighty fine dub a long time. It's a blast to try my hand at it, though I had to try something a little different, too. Yup, those are Pacific Northwest crows adding their voices to this one! Thanks for the listen and review!
It's a colourful track, isn't it? Actually Em, this was the track that made me admit there was something to this medium, and that exciting stuff could really be made with loops. I guess it goes to show some old dogs can actually learn new tricks. Thanks for the listen and review.
wow. massive. big. dark. powerful dub. as a long time fan of dub music i can say with confidence that this is deffinatly one of my favorite pieces. well arranged and the sounds you used convey the storyline perfectly. i admire the work you did with the guitar loops. not a bad word form me brother. outstanding!
A gestation piece really - this is the result of playing with the same jahknow loops for 5 or 6 months until the Muse took me by the hand and down this path. Once it clicked, I knew. Thanks for both the favorable review and the fave! A major compliment!
Hi BigReeg - First welcome to the site. Big time fortuitous discovery, and in my estimation the best site like this around. Thanks for the listen and review, and alerting me to your presence! I'll be checking out your page to see if you've got tracks up yet. Cheers.
One of those tracks, to be sure. If it was a painting, it'd be classified as "Maximillism." I do think it's got an interesting vibe, and intensity reminiscent of Industrial music. [edit] As per your suggestion, I've moved this to Trance now. Thanks jah.
it's great to see what happens when a creative and highly talented musician takes audio material and translates it into his own musical language ...
this is what you do!!
using loops can happen in different ways:
you can put them together without changing them and create good tracks ...
you can send them through filters and add a lot of effects to create something completely new far away from the original ...
that's all good ...
but you do something different in between:
you listen closely, you feel them, and you find out what is the strength of each loop you use ... this way you transform simple parts into a piece of art, somehow like a mosaic which is by far more than a nice arrangement of colorful little stones ... know what I mean???
tracks like this one tell me that it is right to give away some of my work for free, that means much more to me than earning a few bucks ... thank you!!
I'm so glad you approve of what I did with your guitar loops! As a performing musician, I really resisted this medium as I love the group dynamic - the many voices as one. I feel this is something loops can do now - to hear them as the "voice of a musician" and then find how they relate to each other. Sometimes when I'm making music like this (all live sessions, recorded as it plays) I feel like I'm playing with my guest musicians, only they are with me in spirit and not in the flesh.
And because of people like yourself who gift these amazing samples, the pallet at my disposal is truly awesome! That we participate and come together in a virtual community like this one actually gives me great optimism for humanity. My thanks goes also to you rei4real!
Krook - you have summed it up so well. You've also articulated my nervousness with this piece, and I hope my next attempt is even better! Crank it up, as I've yet to find the volume limit where it starts to sound bad. Thanks for the fave! Big time compliment with that.
What can I say that hasn't already been said, this is just great my friend, put together perfectly. Everything is just so right about this on all levels. I think your best work I've heard so far, very impressed with this!!
On "ted.com" there is a great talk about how a researcher, who studied crows, found out how smart crows are and how there social structure is so complex. Very smart birds them crows!! I read your reply to Anomelie's comments on crows and had to add my 2 cents!
Hey Wayne - it's been hard not responding with crow and raven stories with every review as I have so many! For example, their ability and need to play. Two winters ago, on one snowy day I watched 4 crows sliding down the neighbors roof on their backs. When they'd bump into and stop at the gutter, they'd flip over and fly back up to the top and do it again. I swear they were all giggling crow style the whole time.
This track actually took a long time, and I played with the original jahknow loops for over 5 months before it started to click. I agree with your assessment, and am a bit nervous as I feel I've raised the bar pretty high for myself with this one. But then again, in watching my own evolution with this medium, it's pretty obvious that each track is somehow better than the last. Learning curve still in effect. So glad you dig this one, and am delighted by your review. Thanks!
Did I tell you I was obsessed with crows for years, particularly this past year? I'm now exiting my crow phase, but _love_ hearing them in this. It's really difficult to work with bird calls and you do it brilliantly here.
I don't think this track could be better. So complex it can withstand infinite listens, and enough flow that I don't get stuck on any one sound. The sounds melt into each other and move the scene along. Truly gorgeous. Thank you for doing what you do!
Ha! I knew there was more than one reason I like you. Crows, ravens and I have an arrangement. Plenty respect to go around, and here at my home they get fed at least every weekend. Obviously I'm attempting to do many things at once with this track, and mostly feel I've pulled it off somehow. I wanted that uber-complexity without it becoming muddy in the process. I wanted to add the textures and deliberate techniques of Ambient without making it Ambient music. And I wanted to get a sound that carried a kind of joy in it. Good Dub grounded in Reggae does that for me, so that choice made sense. That yourself and others approve just gives me more license to "experiment within the bounds" - lol. Thanks!
I get this subliminal message that this track is telling me to feed rice to seagules. lol na, really this is not something I would normaly just listen to but randomly enjoy. The overall sound is superb. Puts me into a Hypnotic trance of paraylization.
and then the music stops.. and im like whoa...back to the normal world.
The forum thread called Ambient Logbook got me really thinking about consciously creating emotions in listeners - but I wanted to take that into something more compelling. Ambient music can be ignored, but "a Hypnotic trance of parallelization" can't be. Glad you enjoyed this.
Yeah man, I think the title pretty much says what you're going to hear with this one. I don't listen to music like this either - lol. But I do like making stuff like this! Thanks for the listen and review.
Hello JoyfulWAVE - I actually spend most of my recording and experimentation time with headphones on. The headphones allow composing towards the "deep listening." I do spend considerable time working with my barely adequate sound system as well, as I want people to enjoy it regardless of what they're playing it through. To get the subs right requires dropping the headphones and listening otherwise - also, using the spectral analysis in the master channel of Ableton to see where the frequencies are is really helpful, too. Thanks for the review and fave! That's a big compliment, and most appreciated!
cats do have evil intentions don't they? mine just meows until it gets fed, and when you feed it it craps on your bed. real respect those animals have for me... haha well anyways i like the noises bro. the eerie synths work for this one, i dont know how you manage to get such trippy synths to work with the drum and the high pitch of the drum settles in nicely. nice one!!
You know, in my lengthening life I've met maybe 2 cats that were truly evil, but the rest are rather amoral. Cat's are those strange creatures that are so inherently predatory that we have a tough time really relating to them. Even the most tender and gentle of them all get a pretty scary glazed look in their eyes when they've got a freshly killed bird hanging from their grinning mouths. I'm sure glad they're as small as they are, otherwise we'd be in real trouble! This was a fun track to make (it still has one more revision to go) as it allowed me to try to occupy the perspective of The Cat. It's not at all what I'd planned, but I've learned sooooo much in creating it. Thanks for the review and thumbs up here!
hey man i really like your songs, you have a very unique style that needs to be noticed. like the reverb on the drum track and the sounds in the beginning were entertaing. nice groove that comes in early in the song. it sounds like a bunch of people jamming out in the city street and then turns into a reggae bonanza of awesomeness.!!! like the guitar a lotttt!!!. can you help me out bro i need some input on this new song i uploaded called i can rap refined and it would be much appreciated. nice track ill review another one of yours!!
Hi! I was out of town until late last night, so didn't see this one until today. As soon as I'm done responding, I'm off to see if I can offer up some constructive criticism for you! I love this about this site - how people seeking to improve their art/craft can seek the aid of others and get significant feedback and advice. All 3 of my last tracks have really come together because of advice from my "intended audience." What a treat! So glad you like this one, and thanks much for the feedback!
yah mon!....wow indeed, a common reaction obviously. this is the most ambient dub I think I've ever heard, the intro was so 3 dimensional that I thought I was in a documentary( and not about heavy ganja smokers either lol!)....faved sir and let me know if I can remix this in the future, it would be a blast!...
a salvo in a most excellent direction I might add too
I'm sure dungbeatl's "ambient logbook" thread is one of the most inspiring threads I've engaged here yet. It's allowed me to do some conscious examination and then translate that into the work I'm doing. My favorite Right Coast Brother - do you think Spring's bringing us both inspired creativity? You've certainly been doing some very interesting things as well lately. A remix of this is certainly a possibility, and you're the one I'd trust it to! Thanks for the listen and fave, Victor. Means a lot - truly.
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Of course personally, I think you have made gold from grace with this...
I don't know why but the crows make me want to cry...
I remember about 2 years ago.. I was talking about how all of looperman was a murder of crows...
I should send you that track...
But
lets see.... Delay is the thing.. I mean...
I am not saying this as a Negative comment.. but I just wanted to muse on it...
"What would you do without delay?!"
Personally, I think I would do my damndest to emulate it with picking and instrumentation.. but I would love to hear a dry mix sometime for my own sick twisted pleasure...
Hey Sean, can you feel the change,...?
I need to come up and see you very soon.
This is one of the most immersible pieces of music I have ever enjoyed.
My only complaint is that I couldn't have been there.
EDIT for everyone confused reading this next part lol
Agreed! I remember you musing on that a bit!
I know for me personally, and you could most definitely agree, that there's a certain substance known to man that somehow initiates that dub/reggae/jam feel?
I know what you know what I am talking about!
I remember, ... I know this is kinda bleh, but listening to stuff like Black Flag, and the Bad Brains... Punk rock jam bands.. and I started to get the idea of it...
And actually funny enough Bob Marley came very late to me in my life... The whole Kingston thing.. I mean... It's just...
what do you do with someone that is putting smoke in the air?
You give them art!
I feel nothing for the cats that watch tv, eat, and sleep.
But the dub/reggae/feeling... It's TOTALLY about what you mentioned in our dialogue... the fact that the mixer board INITIALLY emulated that delay feel because it was recording the monitor sounds....
that split second delay.
became delay... crazy it wasn't feedback lol
I do want to add this song is perfect by the way.. the cow freaked me out and the knife thing...
The things we do for art ehh?
Delay?
Is it just a production technique?
or does it mirror something bigger within the art? (besides making segues sound badaaaasssss lol)
We could probably jive on this for hours.
You should be very proud. This is a piece of work I would show my kids kids (etc,etc)
How long did it take you to create?
or was it just pouring out of you?
What would I do without delay? Just today I was thinking about those moments in music where my soul rang like a bell. For example, when I was 15 I discovered Bob Marley on some late night first-gen cable show. I wept. At that moment I realized why I'd never be truly satisfied with 1970's Rock.
Naturally I sought out Reggae religiously thereafter! When I heard The Clash drawing from it, it only validated what I'd suspected. The rotten thing was I was in small town Eastern Wa and none of my friends wanted anything to do with it. The honesty and sincerity of that early stuff really spoke to me.
In this same time period I saw a documentary about the Kingston recording industry. A lot of the "studios" were in fact living rooms crowded with the musicians, and an engineer in the kitchen with a hole knocked in the wall separating the rooms with a sledgehammer. In these recording sessions, a chillum was always being passed between the musicians, and one was always smoking, and two would pause in playing during the passing.
But the music never stopped! And the smokier the space was, the more that proto-dub came into play. That delay sound on the upstroked guitar string was a total simulation, using what? more and more damping with each stroke of the pick. Same with the snare and rim shots - an echo sound made to speak to the state of consciousness furthering the manipulation of our sense of time.
Yeah, without delay I'd figure out some way to imitate it. Even with delay, I do it anyway and you can hear that in my playing of the genggongs. I do this a lot with the didgeridoo, too and do pseudo-echoes because I have to!
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Love love love love love it! Keep it up green machine!
Sincerely,
ShojoBeast
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mate what a stunning piece, wow, trance piece with your touch and own style, some thing real eerie about this track, like medieval, but so addictive, had to listen too it a couple of times and each time something else shone through, man you are a genius, absolutely stunning...instant fav piece...thank you for once again showing your talents my friend...Peace...Estefano...
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i think rei and dave summed it up.
this is great.levels are perfect and vox is spot on buddy.
s7
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you are def very versitile my friend.
great work!!!
s7
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i am by no means an expert in dub...but i like this alot ;]
great use of different sounds.
crow?...very cool
s7
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this is what you do!!
using loops can happen in different ways:
you can put them together without changing them and create good tracks ...
you can send them through filters and add a lot of effects to create something completely new far away from the original ...
that's all good ...
but you do something different in between:
you listen closely, you feel them, and you find out what is the strength of each loop you use ... this way you transform simple parts into a piece of art, somehow like a mosaic which is by far more than a nice arrangement of colorful little stones ... know what I mean???
tracks like this one tell me that it is right to give away some of my work for free, that means much more to me than earning a few bucks ... thank you!!
peace, rei
And because of people like yourself who gift these amazing samples, the pallet at my disposal is truly awesome! That we participate and come together in a virtual community like this one actually gives me great optimism for humanity. My thanks goes also to you rei4real!
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Regards
Krook
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On "ted.com" there is a great talk about how a researcher, who studied crows, found out how smart crows are and how there social structure is so complex. Very smart birds them crows!! I read your reply to Anomelie's comments on crows and had to add my 2 cents!
Wayne
This track actually took a long time, and I played with the original jahknow loops for over 5 months before it started to click. I agree with your assessment, and am a bit nervous as I feel I've raised the bar pretty high for myself with this one. But then again, in watching my own evolution with this medium, it's pretty obvious that each track is somehow better than the last. Learning curve still in effect. So glad you dig this one, and am delighted by your review. Thanks!
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I don't think this track could be better. So complex it can withstand infinite listens, and enough flow that I don't get stuck on any one sound. The sounds melt into each other and move the scene along. Truly gorgeous. Thank you for doing what you do!
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and then the music stops.. and im like whoa...back to the normal world.
awesome track really enjoyed this.
-projectjehobith
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this is too trip man!
not my usuall type but it jus sounds pure evil (in a good way
gives off a real tense atmosphere n im feelin that
pc
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a salvo in a most excellent direction I might add too
victormusic01x...where's the chalice now....