Man, you've really fined tuned and polished this one haven't you? My earlier review still stands, however you've pushed this on into a place where I am compelled to favorite it.
I think your understanding (conscious or otherwise) of textures and timbre is what really sets this over the top. It's the Ambient sensibility applied to Trance music that really sets this apart.
Thanks DeejayDo! I'm humbled by your "you are a pro" comment. I'm always very insecure with my own music that I never really give myself enough credit for a job-well-done. Thanks for the re-assurance and support. Thanks mate!
Thanks SP! Much appreciate it. This version definitely feels allot more complete. I'm still thinking of adding a few more things toward the end, but those are just some ideas on paper. I still kinda feel the snare fills need to be adjusted in some places, but thats the problem with music (which I'm sure you can relate), sometimes when you think it's complete then more ideas come along, lol. Well, again, your comment/review is welcomed and appreciated. Thanks.
hey mate! Salkizar here again!! Lovin that bouncy groove on the drums now....skippy little hats give it another dimension..Dont think i noticed them before..are they new? Anyways...this trakc now has a real club bounce on it and would be great on the dancefloor!!Really well done for a job well done!!
Thanks again Salkizar!! Glad you noticed the hats, I wasn't too sure about it after making the changes but since you mentioned they sound good, I'm definitely leaving that in. I just (today) updated it with many, many changes and feel it is now final. Appreciate the help in listening closely and providing the feedback. Thanks!
Thanks Eliy, I appreciate your review and for taking the time to listen.
About the way it as done: Basically, about 90% of the track was done in Reason. The drums using Redrum first to create a few loops, then the loops thrown back in using DrRex and NNXT. The bass-lines were all done using Subtractor (some rendered and thrown into NNXT) as well as some of the SFX sections and pads. The distortions were done in parts using Scream for some things like the intro as well as the scratchy vinyl sounds and also for some of the SFX. To achieve a few different effects of the distortions I passed different sections of the audio files in Scream using different Body and Damage types. The piano and choir were done in Sonar using Rewire and also several sections cut and passed through several distortion units with different parameters. Some distortions, specifically the "harsh" ones I used a waveshaper. To accomplish the panning and distortions on certain parts these were basically done by cutting sections and effecting them, then throwing the sections back using a few phasers in sequence. For some things I used a delay with short delay times (in the ms), especially for that "metallic" sound in certain areas. The glitch effects were done by two different methods: using NNXT and cutting/pasting of audio files. Allot of things were sequenced, then rendered, affected and then re-rendered and brought back in. I think allot of it was mainly just experiments of ideas and it all turned out pretty good.
Hey Sien.....Trancelvanian big time..this track has excellent breakouts and layers..man this music would have been near impossible before sequencing and drum machines..drummers would have coronaries trying to keep up!...not to mention poor bass players wearing their fingers down to the bone...love that velvety synth in the later half...a very cool track....as to the levels their fine but I don't envy your mixing task here... Trance is probably one of the most difficult styles to get perfectly right,there are so many layers and frequency crossovers.... a lot of tweaking that's for sure!..super work..cheers Dave :)
Thanks planet and I completely agree. I can't imagine myself playing any of the instruments in this track, except maybe the clap lol. I greatly appreciate your visit and your kind words.
love this trac man. i like dance,trance, techno in general...even make some, but this is good, whatever work it needs i couldnt tell...unless ur talking about stuff ur gonna add...anyways good job. respect. ROME.
Hey Sien, like the improvements, sounds awesome in the headphones. I like all the changes in it, not just a straight beat through the whole song. Quite an epic song, really well put together, especially the overall dynamics and quality of the recording,great job!
Thanks for the re-assurance theHumps. I am still a bit eerie about the levels and some of the things going on in the track, but I guess it must be that I've heard this track over 200 times. Greatly appreciate the kind words. Appreciate it.
Yeah man! Much better now..that kikk is comin thru nice and clear without bein overpowering!
This has a lot goin on but you have made sure nothing gets lost and everything has its place which is hard to do sometimes when you have a lot goin on...As nomad says there are elements of early 90s uk rave/techno/acid but it still remains original and very very catchy little melodies goin on in wide stereo...My only criticism is the kick gets a little lost at times...cause you have some good fills and things goin on...I would bring the kick up a little in the mix to keep the "bounce" so to speak! But hey man..dunno how long u been producin but this is quality!!!!
Thanks Salkizar! I will definitely look at the kick. I think I will boost the kick up just a tad to bring it a bit more. Thanks for that observation to make my track sound better. I still feel that I need to work on the EQ a bit more and also the mastering. I am listening again each day with fresh ears and always hear something to correct. Crazy huh? hehe. Thanks again Salkizar!
Certainly a lot of energy to this track. Drums sound good, like the snare rolls. There is quite a bit going on here but it doesn't feel too crowded. Gave it the headphones listen, the mix sounds great! Just a good tune!!
Thanks KoolKyle, the more I listen, the more I realize I need to work on it a bit more. Buy I am so glad that you like it. I am very doubtful most times if my music sounds good or not so it really means allot to hear your ears were happy. Thanks my friend.
Sometimes taking time away from things is exactly what the creative process needs. Listening to this one from you makes me even more convinced of this.
I really love that this is "siensystem Trance" and not compelled by formulaic genre expectations. It makes it really interesting, and authentically vital. A piece of music that was compelled to be created makes for very compelling music. Kudos.
To my ears, this is infused with the vibe and sensibilities of the first wave of Acid House and Rave music that came out of the UK. There's a certain underground sensibility driving this that transcends the current genre. Very smart to make it more for listening than clubbing.
The arrangement and production here is top-notch. Absolutely brilliant work and worthy of the praise it's going to continue getting.
I'm so glad your back, and making music siensystem!
Hey n0mad! Thanks for coming by. I greatly appreciate it! Thanks for the great comments. I have really tried to take trance to the next level (which maybe not). I mean, I know it still has a "trance"-(as defined by known genre) form, but one thing I do allot is sfx and add a more progressive feeling with a bit of experimentation (especially the melody at 4m45s). I've always wanted to add a bit of glitch to trance and this was the perfect opportunity. Anyway, thanks so much for your kind words.
I wasn't really digging this track until about three minutes into it when the melodic elements started, and then I really got into it. I suppose that's the relationship I have with a lot of trance though, it takes awhile for the main melodic parts to kick in unless it's a radio edit or something.
I couldn't tell you anything to improve it, the production is top notch and the track is well thought out. I like how all the drums cut through the mix well, and you still don't lose the bass or any of the synths. Nice work!
I hope you find those files too. This is fun! I particularly like ebb and flow of the energetic output: the suspenseful break just after minute 3, the way it freaks out for a while after that, then sort of starts to spiral in on itself. Very nice. I look forward to watching it evolve further if you find those files.
I've found myself wishing that we had a "track blog" on our member's page on several occasions now, and it's happening regularly when I listen to your tracks. I'd love to know the techniques and methods some people use to get their tracks the way they are.
You're a rare breed of Art and Science. I find it really refreshing as once upon a time there was no distinction. Prophetic maybe?
My only constructive criticism for this one - I second Numberjack's desire for more in the sub range. It'd kick the dynamic right into the WTF? space.
Thanks n0mad. You are much too kind with your words, but very much appreciated! And NJ and yourself are extremely correct. I hope to be able to revisit this one. I recently found the source but have 2 components missing and unfortunately have not been able to find them. Hopefully I can find the files (which are in other drives) and enhance it. I really want to. :)
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I think your understanding (conscious or otherwise) of textures and timbre is what really sets this over the top. It's the Ambient sensibility applied to Trance music that really sets this apart.
Excellent.
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really good man faving now
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keep up the good work :)
i never listened to the older versions...but at the end its great...cheers...JW...
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I added this one to my faviroutes, cos I think you've done a really good job.
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great job
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About the way it as done: Basically, about 90% of the track was done in Reason. The drums using Redrum first to create a few loops, then the loops thrown back in using DrRex and NNXT. The bass-lines were all done using Subtractor (some rendered and thrown into NNXT) as well as some of the SFX sections and pads. The distortions were done in parts using Scream for some things like the intro as well as the scratchy vinyl sounds and also for some of the SFX. To achieve a few different effects of the distortions I passed different sections of the audio files in Scream using different Body and Damage types. The piano and choir were done in Sonar using Rewire and also several sections cut and passed through several distortion units with different parameters. Some distortions, specifically the "harsh" ones I used a waveshaper. To accomplish the panning and distortions on certain parts these were basically done by cutting sections and effecting them, then throwing the sections back using a few phasers in sequence. For some things I used a delay with short delay times (in the ms), especially for that "metallic" sound in certain areas. The glitch effects were done by two different methods: using NNXT and cutting/pasting of audio files. Allot of things were sequenced, then rendered, affected and then re-rendered and brought back in. I think allot of it was mainly just experiments of ideas and it all turned out pretty good.
Thanks again!
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nice one!
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I Love the progression of your melody mate , gr8 Psy Build up as well ^.^ !
And btw your bassline reminds me of Popof - PodCast :) , which is Hard Tech so nice touches , gr8 job !
Cheers !
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This has a lot goin on but you have made sure nothing gets lost and everything has its place which is hard to do sometimes when you have a lot goin on...As nomad says there are elements of early 90s uk rave/techno/acid but it still remains original and very very catchy little melodies goin on in wide stereo...My only criticism is the kick gets a little lost at times...cause you have some good fills and things goin on...I would bring the kick up a little in the mix to keep the "bounce" so to speak! But hey man..dunno how long u been producin but this is quality!!!!
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Wayne
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I really love that this is "siensystem Trance" and not compelled by formulaic genre expectations. It makes it really interesting, and authentically vital. A piece of music that was compelled to be created makes for very compelling music. Kudos.
To my ears, this is infused with the vibe and sensibilities of the first wave of Acid House and Rave music that came out of the UK. There's a certain underground sensibility driving this that transcends the current genre. Very smart to make it more for listening than clubbing.
The arrangement and production here is top-notch. Absolutely brilliant work and worthy of the praise it's going to continue getting.
I'm so glad your back, and making music siensystem!
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I couldn't tell you anything to improve it, the production is top notch and the track is well thought out. I like how all the drums cut through the mix well, and you still don't lose the bass or any of the synths. Nice work!
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You're a rare breed of Art and Science. I find it really refreshing as once upon a time there was no distinction. Prophetic maybe?
My only constructive criticism for this one - I second Numberjack's desire for more in the sub range. It'd kick the dynamic right into the WTF? space.
Amazing stuff.