"I am still such a novice at mix downs it is almost embarrassing, I have a lot of trouble with my end results being "muddy" if that makes any sense? maybe it is just the equipment i use, but most likely it is my lack of EQ knowledge"
I get it, bro. I totally fucking get it. So does every other member here. It's absolutely nothing to be embarrased about. We all started at the bottom. Without formal training, it's an enigma that seems impossible to grasp. But, I'll tell you what, man, this site is a goldmine of knowledge, information, and advice. 99% of what I've learned about mixing, (or just music in general), I learned here. Not only in the forums, but by reading every comment on each track I listen to, and sometimes, just straight up asking.
I see you've been here for a couple years, so I'm probably telling you nothing new.
A lot of times, the "muddiness" comes from too many frequencies overlapping in the . essentially, fighting for the same spot. Sometimes, it's as simple as panning and stereo separation. If you separate your guitars to full stereo, not only does it widen up the dynamics of the track, but it creates a hole in the center where the bass guitar can settle right in with no crowding...for example.
Too many layers of the same frequencies can muddy up the joint, too. If your bass guitar is super low end, the try scooping the lowest frequencies from the kick. If they're too close to the same, it could cause clipping, or that "pumping" sound like in Trance. (But they have a sidechaining process to get that sound.)
Anyhow, I hope I'm not telling you what you already know, or insulting you with unsolicited advice.
Hey brother, You gave me a great starting point and my next track i am going to give it a try ! separating the guitars is something that i have never tried ! Thanks for the info! Advice and knowledge are never insulting in my eyes, thanks for taking the time to share something with me brother. You taught me something for sure, ROCK ON \m/
that's really cool...your vocs pushed this song to the right place...into the top league...bit depressive but stunning number...hats off for both of you...
Yes it is quite a Somber track, but over all i am happy with how it turned out. Your compliment about the vocs will make it easier for me to keep pushing in that direction. It catches some people off guard not to hear the screams mostly associated with metal.Thanks for listening, and for the positive comments, Rock on \m/
FatalDecline. First of all, that's a great metal handle.
At first I wasn't too sure about the vocal style against the music style, but after a bit, I got it. It's kind of a Fear Factory meets Korn meets Deftones thing. It's got a nice heavy vibe, even with the more droning vocals.
I think, though, that the vocals are a little muffled. They could use a bit of a scoop in the mid-low frequencies. Give them a little more transperency.
I'm on my third listen, and even though it's basically just two parts repeated throughout, I'm still really enjoying this. It works for what it is. Kudos.
Thanks brother ! My screaming days are over, So i tried a different direction. It does catch most people off guard , I have not decided if that is good or bad yet lol. I listen to def-tones and fear factory quite a bit, so the influence is there for sure!
I am still such a novice at mix downs it is almost embarrassing, I have a lot of trouble with my end results being "muddy" if that makes any sense? maybe it is just the equipment i use, but most likely it is my lack of EQ knowledge. So thank you for the advice .
Thanks for taking the time to listen, glad you enjoyed it, Keep rocking \m/
Cool man, you don't hear enough of this style of rock here. Lots of effects on the vocals but it works to fill up space and help create a dark creepy vocal track. You did a great job matching the vocals to the music. The music kicks ass, thick guitars and hard hitting drums always a good combination.
I don't see enough heavy metal here.. Lets see what we have here :D
Excited already.... Yessss... @1:16 that switch up takes me back to my teen years... It has a similar vibe to Slipknot's Mate. Feed. Kill. Repeat... I fucking loved that album... Oww it ended.. I genuinely loved that.. Well done guys..
I think a little more tweaking on the vocals may be needed, perhaps bring down the frequencies somewhere between the low -mid.. I could be wrong, try it :)
Hey Fatal, dope track bro.
Your gonna laugh but this reminds me a lot of some 60's Psychedelic rock with respect to the vocals. Ever heard Donovan's "Hurdy Gurdy Man"? Anyhow, yeah Nice really riffs it up too with some brutal downtuned stoner groove-ige! I'm digging the collab for sure.
Thanks for listening ! I am stoked you got a psychedelic rock vibe, cause i am really pushing for a stoner rock kinda thing :) yes i have heard "hurdy gurdy man" I like the song too !
I am trying to take a lot of inspiration from the vocalists and poets of the 60's and 70's .
thanks once again for listening and the kind words. YOU ROCK !
You sure do have some low end heavily detuned riffage going on here. Is that a 7-string guitar?
I quite like the vocal style as it's unexpected (not obvious metal vocals). Perhaps might be too much reverb on the vocal but that's OK. Might be a little bit like some of the Deftones' stuff.
Thanks for the listen ! I am slowly trying to use less effects on my vocals, I tend to layer too much i think ;p
I am happy you like the vocal style, I am a HUGE Deftones fan so the influence is most definitely there.
As for the guitar questions, that was all nicetones101 , I know he plays a 7 string, but not sure if he did on this track, it has been in the works for awhile, but i can get back to you with the info !
Hey Fatal great job on this track! Dig your vocal style / approach, I really liked the big delay on the hook of the song
though I couldn't quite make out the last word. Correct me but it sounds like you were saying "You are Nothing?" Tried pulling up the lyrics but couldn't get into that section for some reason. With that low metal groove, this is a around great track for this genre. Great Job
Thanks for listening ! I don't have the vocal cords for the constant screams that metal has these days, so i took a more Sabbath/katatonic sort of approach.
You are absolutely correct "you are nothing" is what i was saying! I think you have to be signed into the site to pull up the lyrics:).
Thanks for the compliment and the kind words, you rock !
Hey fatal!!!!!!!How have you been mate?Man real life caught up with me too and i tried to run but it still caught me!The fast bastard!hahaha...Mate i love this track!I actually forgot about this track...Awesome vocals and i love the vocal line as the song ended.Very dark atmosphere.Awesome man!
Pretty friggin mean. Guitars are really heavy and have a good tone. Drumming is awesome.
I wish the vocals were easier to understand. Too heavily effected. Would be cool if you blended the effected vocals with the dry versions. Keep the dry lower, but it would help with clarity and still keep the effects on the wet track.
Pretty cool. Reminds me of Deftones a bit with the voice.
Nice!! Diggin this co lab, vocals sounds crazy good, a perfect release for the moments moment. Thanks for sharing this, it greatly helps within. Keep the music going! Peace.
on Faith-dust-bones by FatalDecline
on Faith-dust-bones by FatalDecline
"I am still such a novice at mix downs it is almost embarrassing, I have a lot of trouble with my end results being "muddy" if that makes any sense? maybe it is just the equipment i use, but most likely it is my lack of EQ knowledge"
I get it, bro. I totally fucking get it. So does every other member here. It's absolutely nothing to be embarrased about. We all started at the bottom. Without formal training, it's an enigma that seems impossible to grasp. But, I'll tell you what, man, this site is a goldmine of knowledge, information, and advice. 99% of what I've learned about mixing, (or just music in general), I learned here. Not only in the forums, but by reading every comment on each track I listen to, and sometimes, just straight up asking.
I see you've been here for a couple years, so I'm probably telling you nothing new.
A lot of times, the "muddiness" comes from too many frequencies overlapping in the . essentially, fighting for the same spot. Sometimes, it's as simple as panning and stereo separation. If you separate your guitars to full stereo, not only does it widen up the dynamics of the track, but it creates a hole in the center where the bass guitar can settle right in with no crowding...for example.
Too many layers of the same frequencies can muddy up the joint, too. If your bass guitar is super low end, the try scooping the lowest frequencies from the kick. If they're too close to the same, it could cause clipping, or that "pumping" sound like in Trance. (But they have a sidechaining process to get that sound.)
Anyhow, I hope I'm not telling you what you already know, or insulting you with unsolicited advice.
Take care.
V.
on Faith-dust-bones by FatalDecline
Danke
on Faith-dust-bones by FatalDecline
on Faith-dust-bones by FatalDecline
At first I wasn't too sure about the vocal style against the music style, but after a bit, I got it. It's kind of a Fear Factory meets Korn meets Deftones thing. It's got a nice heavy vibe, even with the more droning vocals.
I think, though, that the vocals are a little muffled. They could use a bit of a scoop in the mid-low frequencies. Give them a little more transperency.
I'm on my third listen, and even though it's basically just two parts repeated throughout, I'm still really enjoying this. It works for what it is. Kudos.
Skol.
V.
I am still such a novice at mix downs it is almost embarrassing, I have a lot of trouble with my end results being "muddy" if that makes any sense? maybe it is just the equipment i use, but most likely it is my lack of EQ knowledge. So thank you for the advice .
Thanks for taking the time to listen, glad you enjoyed it, Keep rocking \m/
on Faith-dust-bones by FatalDecline
I think you've done a wonderful job here.
Well done.
on As I try by FatalDecline
the lyrics is a good point in it .
on As I try by FatalDecline
on As I try by FatalDecline
on As I try by FatalDecline
Attitude adjusted, thanks!
Wayne
on As I try by FatalDecline
Really well produced in my opinion.
Your vocals suit really well this genre.
Have tried some Doom metal?
on As I try by FatalDecline
Verses are 8th note chunkiness, with more sedated vocals than I expected. Better than a lot of screaming. Not bad.
I enjoyed this. I like the heavier stuff.
Evan
I have never been to much of a screamer lol
Rock on brother \m/
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on As I try by FatalDecline
Excited already.... Yessss... @1:16 that switch up takes me back to my teen years... It has a similar vibe to Slipknot's Mate. Feed. Kill. Repeat... I fucking loved that album... Oww it ended.. I genuinely loved that.. Well done guys..
I think a little more tweaking on the vocals may be needed, perhaps bring down the frequencies somewhere between the low -mid.. I could be wrong, try it :)
on As I try by FatalDecline
Your gonna laugh but this reminds me a lot of some 60's Psychedelic rock with respect to the vocals. Ever heard Donovan's "Hurdy Gurdy Man"? Anyhow, yeah Nice really riffs it up too with some brutal downtuned stoner groove-ige! I'm digging the collab for sure.
I am trying to take a lot of inspiration from the vocalists and poets of the 60's and 70's .
thanks once again for listening and the kind words. YOU ROCK !
on As I try by FatalDecline
You sure do have some low end heavily detuned riffage going on here. Is that a 7-string guitar?
I quite like the vocal style as it's unexpected (not obvious metal vocals). Perhaps might be too much reverb on the vocal but that's OK. Might be a little bit like some of the Deftones' stuff.
A well made track.
Not spectacular but solid.
Congrats.
I am happy you like the vocal style, I am a HUGE Deftones fan so the influence is most definitely there.
As for the guitar questions, that was all nicetones101 , I know he plays a 7 string, but not sure if he did on this track, it has been in the works for awhile, but i can get back to you with the info !
Thank you for the kind words, you rock !
on As I try by FatalDecline
though I couldn't quite make out the last word. Correct me but it sounds like you were saying "You are Nothing?" Tried pulling up the lyrics but couldn't get into that section for some reason. With that low metal groove, this is a around great track for this genre. Great Job
D
You are absolutely correct "you are nothing" is what i was saying! I think you have to be signed into the site to pull up the lyrics:).
Thanks for the compliment and the kind words, you rock !
on As I try by FatalDecline
on Drowning sun by FatalDecline
on As I try by FatalDecline
Handshake, Danke
on Drowning sun by FatalDecline
I agree with evisma's comments on the vocals.
Id make the drums a tad bit louder too.
Loved it.
on Drowning sun by FatalDecline
I wish the vocals were easier to understand. Too heavily effected. Would be cool if you blended the effected vocals with the dry versions. Keep the dry lower, but it would help with clarity and still keep the effects on the wet track.
Pretty cool. Reminds me of Deftones a bit with the voice.
Evan
Thank you for listening\m/
on Drowning sun by FatalDecline
on Drowning sun by FatalDecline