Dieter Meier and Boris Blank come to mind here.
I think you may have changed the bpm from your usual style and that's what is doing it?
Fantastic in every way.
The sounds are brilliant and very well put together.
Your voice as always is one of the main instruments.
You need to be puttin an album together and hoiking it around the distributers I'm convinced you'll sell very many.
Superb and thank you for the pleasure.
Hello Mr. Silverman :)
I am pleased that you like this song so much. I can only thank you for all the friendly words. And since you have repeatedly pointed out that I should sell my things, I have taken that in attack.
My plan for 2018 is finally to record all the tracks and to save it sensibly. Both versions, really dry and wet. So far, somehow, some tracks/steems/wavs have always disappeared into nirvana. So I could not really bring most of my tracks to the stage as - music in cd quality. So now the ultimate attempt for 2018.
And if the plan works out this time (the same plan already existed earlier) then there is a good chance to get a "real" Joe Cramer CD at the end of the year
You have a pretty low register to your vocals, can't complain about how they are mixed. You created a dark, edgy track with lots of tension with both the vocals and the instruments. A bit cinematic as well, I could hear this in a thriller. Good way to finish off the year!
Thanks a lot for your friendly comment Wayne.
Good to know that you could enjoy this last song for this year. I would enjoy it if someone would use it in a movie for sure :) .....
Hi Joe nice one really nicely mixed and produced. Im still learning how to produce vocs do you double up the voc track and add reverb how do you go about that id love to hear your take on the vocs part of production. Its easy to hear how much work has gone into it bravo on a ganz toll track. Best regards Robbie.
Hallo Robbie
vielen Dank für deinen freundlichen Kommentar.
Das grösste Problem bei diesem Lied war nicht die Art wie der Gesang klingen sollte, sondern mehr das Timing. Aber natürlich hab ich etwas mit den Gesangsspuren gemacht. Und zwar folgendes
- eine Spur mit "normaler" Tonlage in Mono aufgenommen
und mit VoxengoRedunoise gesäubert (tolles Plugin)
- zwei Spuren mit "dunkler" Tonlage in Mono aufgenommen
und mit VoxengoRedunoise gesäubert (kostenlos)
- den Teil der "normalen" Spur, der ohne "dunkle" Spur im
Lied ist, kopiert und als extra Spur genommen.
- die beiden "dunklen" Stimmen haben einen "gedämpfter Raum" Hall
- die "normale" Spur einen Stereohall für Gitarre
- die kopierte Spur hat zusätzlich zum Hall noch etwas
Micro Pitching und etwas mehr Weite (mit UltraChannel
gemacht)(tolles Teil aber leider sehr teuer)
- die Lautstärken angepasst
- alle vier Spuren etwas EQ
Das war es eigentlich.
Ich singe oft viele Spuren ein und lege sie übereinander
Ich kopiere oft eine Spur und nehme dann verschiedene Effekte und Pan Positionen usw vor um vollere oder weitere oder wildere oder ungewöhnlichere Klänge zu produzieren.
Verteile oft verschiedene Hallsorten gleichzeitig und gerne nehme ich auch mal Plugins die für Gitarre oder sonst was gemacht sind.
Daher kommt es auch dass das erstellen der Gesangsspur die meiste Zeit in Anspruch nimmt. Zumindest bei mir :)
Hello Joe,
Nice to have you back again with wonderful worm voice.
Your voice becoming a legend in LM my friend.
Wonderful track as usual Joe.
Great Mix too
Jamid
So I am back listening and loving this version. I'm not analyzing but getting absorbed in the beauty of it. And that's when we reach the moment of art and genius. I love the ending on the drop BTW, that is outstanding. Thank you for the download and fav'd accordingly.
Great Job
Steve
I was surprised to hear a song such as this when I hit play on your profile! Definitely not what I expected!
I found it to be a sort of timeless pop song in many ways, and that is meant as a compliment. It is possibly even pop enough to make it so I wouldn't listen to it unless it popped up on the radio (also rare for me).
This comment by jamid I found interesting - "Yet again wonderfully constricted and arraigned."
It may be simply a matter of difficult translation from a non english speaker, but this is something I would have taken initially as a bit of an insult. I should probably be less sensitive!
Seriously though, It was an excellent song. Though I have not heard the original, I can say that this is a cool remix!
Surprise, surprise ...... do you remember this old song - this is what you want and this what you get - ... just a joke. You know that i am mostly anywhere around the minimalistic, dark, hypno body wave, side of music. And sometimes i love to switch and do different stuff and in this case i loved the idea of doing a pop song/dance song and not a joe cramer song. Dan's song is way more "freaky" then this version but this version shouldn't be else "freaky" cause it should be a pure pop song. I tried to stand behind the idea of a pop song. How should or better say must a pop song be that even a joe cramer would maybe listen to it. And that is what you got :)
And you are right that you maybe a little sensitive (about Jamids comment) :) but i didn't realized it before you point it out - great
I am always happy to read something from your hand Spiv.
Nice to know that you invest some time into stuff i do, even when it is something like real pop music. Be sure the next one will be more a real joe cramer one.
I think you did a great job remixing this song. Though both are good, I found the drums more enjoyable in this one, and the mixing and mastering sound more precise (arp synths spaced out nicely for example) and powerful (the drums feel like they have more power behind them). Excellent work.
Hello Sheen, thank you for the nice and gentle comment. Sounds like i have done it not the badest way. Really good to know that you found time to listen to both tracks and sure good to know that you could hear what i had done.
Hi, Joe. I really enjoyed this remix. Haven't listened to the original version, but liked this one a lot! I agree with you, Stephanie did really nice vocals on it. I see that you've got all sorts of detailed comments from other members. Crucethus' comments are great. I wish I got that kind of attention and advice on my tracks. I liked the mix. I did think the level of the drums could be scaled back a bit in the mix and still keep the driving dance feel that it has. If the high hats are on a separate track, I'd dial them back and maybe roll off the higher frequencies a bit with an EQ. But, that's probably a matter of taste. I'm recognizing more and more as I listen to tracks from Looperman members, that I'm definitely stuck in an "old school" zone. I had someone tell me once that my stuff sounded "old school" and I didn't realize at the time that he wasn't giving me a compliment! :)
Hello Eric. Thanks a lot for your friendly words.
In a way i am also often "old school" and i think it is ok as long as you wanna make some "old school" stuff.
But sometimes i love doing different things. Like a new genre or style or collaborations and so on and in this case a remix/master. And if you wanna learn something new about yourself and music, then i have to tell you that a remix from a pop song (if you are like me not a big fan of pop music at all) will teach you so much .... strange but true.
Hallo Joe. Ich habe mir die originale Version des Songs angehört und fand sie klasse. Aber mit deinem Remix hast du eine sehr gute Arbeit abgeliefert. Absolut klasse. Ein Fav von mir.
Hallo MR
Sowas hört man selbstverständlich gerne und ein Fav erfreut natürlich immer. Allerbesten Dank dafür.
Ich finde/fand Dans Song auch klasse, sonst hätte ich gar nicht erst versucht etwas damit zu machen.
Jetzt hat Dan die steems meiner Version und evtl wird er einen neuen, eigenen, Masatermix versuchen. Ich bin gespannt.
Hello Joe,
Yet again wonderfully constricted and arraigned.
However, in my view, the bass and tom are way to upfront both are the domineering factor of the track at moment.
I do believe they should be scale done by 4 to 6 Db at least to balance the mix.
Overall it is still a wonderful mix.
Great job.
Jamid
Thanks for your view. And i am mostly 100% on your side. I did already a better mix from that version. Oh i really love that one but now i done the last step and mixed it just a little bit different and added some kick and played a bit more with the frequencies. I just tried to do a real dance remix.
I am immediately taken by the intro. grande and majestic. the build with the vocals is amazing. the subtle chorus is sublime as well. then that drop. then the vocal section. which is good but it needs more dynamic separation here. Try in the mixdown lowering the gain and increasing your dynamic head room. because all your instrument placing is perfect and all your instincts are spot on. 2:58 is where your dynamics come together. you need that crisp bass sound in the earlier parts as well. the middle frequencies are too muddled together. now don't take this as a negative as this is easily fixed. And As I have said before to others I will only give this detailed of a synopsis and critique if I hear something of genius that is so close to perfection. Keep on it my friend I love what you are doing.
Steve
Thanks a lot for this wonderful comment Steve.
I took the track again into my kitchen and worked a little on it with your words in mind. It would be nice if you could listen again to the song and tell me if i did it wrong :)
Hey Joe! "what are you doing with this gun in your hand?" lol
nice remix but for me, if it's a dance sound, it needs a kick in the drums, i didn't hear it during the track ^^ is it a personal choice Joe?
Without this detail, it's a really good work! i didn't listen to the original, i'll do later :)
Hello Bleep
Thanks for your friendly words. Always nice to see people like you around who listen to some stuff i made and write some words to it. I am on your side with this kick drum in a dance track but i have to say that Dan hadn't a kick drum in his steems and i only used his stuff. But in fact i tried to bring one into the track but i failed and couldn't find a good sound and or a good way to handle it. So i said to myself - just take it as it is cause it sounds good in the way it is - :)
Hello Joe
Wow mate it is hundred percent better than the original.
It is really Garand braking mix my friend.
No disrespect to our friend Dan but your version is on the stratosphere mate.
Really really well done Joe
Fav’s
Majid
Thank you so much Majid
Nice to read that you really enjoyed the listen and liked what i had done.
I did my best to make this very nice song from Dan sound good. And after Steve's comment i worked on it a little more to make the bass sound on all places a little louder and hopefully improved the overall sound a bit. If you found some time i would enjoy if you could listen to it again and tell me what you think
Hallo joe. Düsterer Track. Aber geil. Finde auch den Text super. Und deine Stimme passt zum Song wie die Faust aufs Auge. Du hast wieder mal einen tollen Job gemacht. Fav von mir.
Allerbesten Dank für deine netten Worte über das Lied, den Text und natürlich erst recht für deine Bemerkung zu meiner Stimme.
Es ist immer gut zu wissen das es jemanden gibt der das was man macht gut findet. Und ein Fav zu bekommen ist natürlich immer etwas ganz besonderes.
Hi Joe,
Good track.
Cru mentioned Type-O- ... I would even go more back and compare this to Joy Division's work. Less punk and more electro, but with the same dark feeling to it.
Of course, also in this case we cannot say what would have become of them. Life is cruel, yes, merciless ;-)
Tchuss, Domenico
Life is merciless but you can do just a new beginning when you think it is time :)
Nice to her that you believe that this track is a good one
I am always amazed with what great artists I am compared, although I am only the little Joe.
Thanks a lot for your comment and the listen Domenico.
Minimalist, almost reminded me a small bit of something Type-O negative would have attempted, had they still been around in these modern times.
nice work.! happy Halloween
In a few words, i like the minimalistic approach in this track. Your voice grain is really remarkable. You have a real vocal signature and if i don't read who composed the track, only by hearing, i recognize you!
So much nice words, since I do not know what I should say.
Thank you will be reasonable.
So I say - best thanks for your kind comment
It is very pleasant to hear that you can recognize my voice so well. I am pleased that you liked the song.
I am glad I'm back again to hear your wonderful voice on this epic sounding track right from the start I loved the whole deal it took me on a very dark journey and gripped my attention the whole way through out the track.
Super job faved.
Jamid
Thanks a lot Jamid for your friendly words about this little track. Really good to know that you liked it. It is always a good feeling when someone says that a track is a fav, so thanks for that!
Very haunting stuff indeed. Though the beat is in the style of Trap, the soundscape has a more industrial feel. It blips, clicks and whines like an ominous machine that is never filled. The music is both intriguing and unnerving and I enjoyed it a lot.
Hey TA
You got me. In a way almost all i do is at least a little industrial. That is for sure cause the 80's starts when i was 15 and i listen to industrial and ebm and dark wave and stuff all day then (to now). I like the picture that you talked about. Maybe it is a kind of an organic machine from outa space?
Thanks a lot for your nice comment. I really enjoyed it and i am happy that you could enjoy the listen.
Very dark tone indeed and it certainly has it's share of halloweenish atmosphere. I think that hypnotic monotony does the trick. Very extraordinary and creative as always! Well done Joe!:)
Thanks Orlando for your friendly comment.
This track is only a try on what i could do with some new (free) vst's i got. So i produced just a (kind of a) dark pad, added a cool trap beat and looked for some lyrics i had who fits to the sound. recorded the vocals and mixed it all together ..... out came this track that fits in a way to this Halloween forum threat from Cru.
Good to know that you think it work.
Cool track joecramer! It is very unique with an interesting rhythm to it. It for sure has kind of a haunting vibe so it fits perfectly for Halloween. The overall mix sound good too. It's a Fav. Nice work.
Nice to know that you liked what i had done here Shatner.
And it is really nice to know that you think it is a fav.
So thanks a lot for your gentle comment and the fav.
on leben - life by joecramer
good work
Cru
Good to know that you could enjoy both, the vocals and the music.
stay tuned
joe
on halt mich - hold me by joecramer
I think you may have changed the bpm from your usual style and that's what is doing it?
Fantastic in every way.
The sounds are brilliant and very well put together.
Your voice as always is one of the main instruments.
You need to be puttin an album together and hoiking it around the distributers I'm convinced you'll sell very many.
Superb and thank you for the pleasure.
I am pleased that you like this song so much. I can only thank you for all the friendly words. And since you have repeatedly pointed out that I should sell my things, I have taken that in attack.
My plan for 2018 is finally to record all the tracks and to save it sensibly. Both versions, really dry and wet. So far, somehow, some tracks/steems/wavs have always disappeared into nirvana. So I could not really bring most of my tracks to the stage as - music in cd quality. So now the ultimate attempt for 2018.
And if the plan works out this time (the same plan already existed earlier) then there is a good chance to get a "real" Joe Cramer CD at the end of the year
stay tuned
joe
on halt mich - hold me by joecramer
Happy new year!
Wayne
Good to know that you could enjoy this last song for this year. I would enjoy it if someone would use it in a movie for sure :) .....
stay tuned and happy new year
joe
on halt mich - hold me by joecramer
vielen Dank für deinen freundlichen Kommentar.
Das grösste Problem bei diesem Lied war nicht die Art wie der Gesang klingen sollte, sondern mehr das Timing. Aber natürlich hab ich etwas mit den Gesangsspuren gemacht. Und zwar folgendes
- eine Spur mit "normaler" Tonlage in Mono aufgenommen
und mit VoxengoRedunoise gesäubert (tolles Plugin)
- zwei Spuren mit "dunkler" Tonlage in Mono aufgenommen
und mit VoxengoRedunoise gesäubert (kostenlos)
- den Teil der "normalen" Spur, der ohne "dunkle" Spur im
Lied ist, kopiert und als extra Spur genommen.
- die beiden "dunklen" Stimmen haben einen "gedämpfter Raum" Hall
- die "normale" Spur einen Stereohall für Gitarre
- die kopierte Spur hat zusätzlich zum Hall noch etwas
Micro Pitching und etwas mehr Weite (mit UltraChannel
gemacht)(tolles Teil aber leider sehr teuer)
- die Lautstärken angepasst
- alle vier Spuren etwas EQ
Das war es eigentlich.
Ich singe oft viele Spuren ein und lege sie übereinander
Ich kopiere oft eine Spur und nehme dann verschiedene Effekte und Pan Positionen usw vor um vollere oder weitere oder wildere oder ungewöhnlichere Klänge zu produzieren.
Verteile oft verschiedene Hallsorten gleichzeitig und gerne nehme ich auch mal Plugins die für Gitarre oder sonst was gemacht sind.
Daher kommt es auch dass das erstellen der Gesangsspur die meiste Zeit in Anspruch nimmt. Zumindest bei mir :)
Ich hoffe ich konnte dir irgendwie etwas helfen
stay tuned & guten rutsch
joe
on halt mich - hold me by joecramer
Steve
One of my favorite pictures that I painted is called
dynamic rest
Thanks for the listen and the comment Steve
stay tuned
joe
on halt mich - hold me by joecramer
Nice to have you back again with wonderful worm voice.
Your voice becoming a legend in LM my friend.
Wonderful track as usual Joe.
Great Mix too
Jamid
Good to know that you like the vocals, the track and the mix. Looks like i have done it almost right.
stay tuned
joe
on halt mich - hold me by joecramer
Good to know that you like the mixing and could enjoy the listen.
stay tuned
joe
on Midisparks - Stephanie Kay Hussar - Stars collide by joecramer
Great Job
Steve
Thanks for all the time you invested and all the gentle words you wrote. I really enjoyed them.
stay tuned
joe
on Midisparks - Stephanie Kay Hussar - Stars collide by joecramer
I found it to be a sort of timeless pop song in many ways, and that is meant as a compliment. It is possibly even pop enough to make it so I wouldn't listen to it unless it popped up on the radio (also rare for me).
This comment by jamid I found interesting - "Yet again wonderfully constricted and arraigned."
It may be simply a matter of difficult translation from a non english speaker, but this is something I would have taken initially as a bit of an insult. I should probably be less sensitive!
Seriously though, It was an excellent song. Though I have not heard the original, I can say that this is a cool remix!
And you are right that you maybe a little sensitive (about Jamids comment) :) but i didn't realized it before you point it out - great
I am always happy to read something from your hand Spiv.
Nice to know that you invest some time into stuff i do, even when it is something like real pop music. Be sure the next one will be more a real joe cramer one.
stay tuned
joe
on Midisparks - Stephanie Kay Hussar - Stars collide by joecramer
-[ Sheen ]-
stay tuned
joe
on Midisparks - Stephanie Kay Hussar - Stars collide by joecramer
In a way i am also often "old school" and i think it is ok as long as you wanna make some "old school" stuff.
But sometimes i love doing different things. Like a new genre or style or collaborations and so on and in this case a remix/master. And if you wanna learn something new about yourself and music, then i have to tell you that a remix from a pop song (if you are like me not a big fan of pop music at all) will teach you so much .... strange but true.
stay tuned
joe
on Midisparks - Stephanie Kay Hussar - Stars collide by joecramer
Sowas hört man selbstverständlich gerne und ein Fav erfreut natürlich immer. Allerbesten Dank dafür.
Ich finde/fand Dans Song auch klasse, sonst hätte ich gar nicht erst versucht etwas damit zu machen.
Jetzt hat Dan die steems meiner Version und evtl wird er einen neuen, eigenen, Masatermix versuchen. Ich bin gespannt.
stay tuned
joe
on Midisparks - Stephanie Kay Hussar - Stars collide by joecramer
Really well done wonderful mix.
It is perfect.
Great job.
Majid
The wav version sounds a little better but this one is also not that bad.
stay tuned
joe
on Midisparks - Stephanie Kay Hussar - Stars collide by joecramer
Yet again wonderfully constricted and arraigned.
However, in my view, the bass and tom are way to upfront both are the domineering factor of the track at moment.
I do believe they should be scale done by 4 to 6 Db at least to balance the mix.
Overall it is still a wonderful mix.
Great job.
Jamid
stay tuned Jamid
joe
on Midisparks - Stephanie Kay Hussar - Stars collide by joecramer
Steve
I took the track again into my kitchen and worked a little on it with your words in mind. It would be nice if you could listen again to the song and tell me if i did it wrong :)
stay tuned
joe
on Midisparks - Stephanie Kay Hussar - Stars collide by joecramer
nice remix but for me, if it's a dance sound, it needs a kick in the drums, i didn't hear it during the track ^^ is it a personal choice Joe?
Without this detail, it's a really good work! i didn't listen to the original, i'll do later :)
Friendly
Bleep
Thanks for your friendly words. Always nice to see people like you around who listen to some stuff i made and write some words to it. I am on your side with this kick drum in a dance track but i have to say that Dan hadn't a kick drum in his steems and i only used his stuff. But in fact i tried to bring one into the track but i failed and couldn't find a good sound and or a good way to handle it. So i said to myself - just take it as it is cause it sounds good in the way it is - :)
stay tuned
joe
on Midisparks - Stephanie Kay Hussar - Stars collide by joecramer
Wow mate it is hundred percent better than the original.
It is really Garand braking mix my friend.
No disrespect to our friend Dan but your version is on the stratosphere mate.
Really really well done Joe
Fav’s
Majid
Nice to read that you really enjoyed the listen and liked what i had done.
I did my best to make this very nice song from Dan sound good. And after Steve's comment i worked on it a little more to make the bass sound on all places a little louder and hopefully improved the overall sound a bit. If you found some time i would enjoy if you could listen to it again and tell me what you think
stay tuned
joe
on ein neuer anfang by joecramer
Es ist immer gut zu wissen das es jemanden gibt der das was man macht gut findet. Und ein Fav zu bekommen ist natürlich immer etwas ganz besonderes.
stay tuned
joe
on ein neuer anfang by joecramer
Good track.
Cru mentioned Type-O- ... I would even go more back and compare this to Joy Division's work. Less punk and more electro, but with the same dark feeling to it.
Of course, also in this case we cannot say what would have become of them. Life is cruel, yes, merciless ;-)
Tchuss, Domenico
Nice to her that you believe that this track is a good one
I am always amazed with what great artists I am compared, although I am only the little Joe.
Thanks a lot for your comment and the listen Domenico.
stay tuned
joe
on ein neuer anfang by joecramer
nice work.! happy Halloween
Always nice to read some gentle words from your hand.
Good to hear that you could enjoy the listen
stay tuned
joe
on ein neuer anfang by joecramer
Really good work here
Bleep
Thank you will be reasonable.
So I say - best thanks for your kind comment
It is very pleasant to hear that you can recognize my voice so well. I am pleased that you liked the song.
stay tuned
joe
on ein neuer anfang by joecramer
I am glad I'm back again to hear your wonderful voice on this epic sounding track right from the start I loved the whole deal it took me on a very dark journey and gripped my attention the whole way through out the track.
Super job faved.
Jamid
stay tuned
joe
on ein neuer anfang by joecramer
TA
You got me. In a way almost all i do is at least a little industrial. That is for sure cause the 80's starts when i was 15 and i listen to industrial and ebm and dark wave and stuff all day then (to now). I like the picture that you talked about. Maybe it is a kind of an organic machine from outa space?
Thanks a lot for your nice comment. I really enjoyed it and i am happy that you could enjoy the listen.
stay tuned
joe
on ein neuer anfang by joecramer
Compliments_____Orlando
This track is only a try on what i could do with some new (free) vst's i got. So i produced just a (kind of a) dark pad, added a cool trap beat and looked for some lyrics i had who fits to the sound. recorded the vocals and mixed it all together ..... out came this track that fits in a way to this Halloween forum threat from Cru.
Good to know that you think it work.
stay tuned
joe
on ein neuer anfang by joecramer
And it is really nice to know that you think it is a fav.
So thanks a lot for your gentle comment and the fav.
stay tuned
joe