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11th May 2022 16:09 - 2 years ago
Description : Everything is recorded live, so you probably hear that. It's also all me :$

Thanks to everyone who contributed in explaining what I did wrong in the engineering, mixing and mastering, especially Ben (bringerofDOOM). Looperman is truly an awesome community and thank you all. Did I say you guys are awesome?
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Now also with a clip on youtu.be/ydQiJAV3DX0 !

Comments (14)

If you have time take a listen and give BaoBou some feedback.

dfsmk
dfsmk 27th May 2023 13:36 - 1 year ago
WOW COOL NICE
rockoff
rockoff 18th May 2022 22:38 - 2 years ago
i just want to say its not easy incorporating exsternal hardware into a pc software and putting the sounds to gethere specialy without £3000 of kit to do it right yet its easy to mix within the software so i know where Ba0Bou is comming from
BaoBou
BaoBou replied 19th May 2022 - 2 years ago
Yep true. And to be honest, this track and the process made me realise more than ever, that my interest is:
- 60% Creating and Composing
- 30% playing and practicing
- 10% engineering, mixing and mastering

Yet the energy I spend now is the other way around. I don't spend enough time on the music, and the mixing and mastering (which I don't get, I'm not that interested in and which frustrates me) takes too much time.

I'll go back to just rushing tracks out the door as soon as I feel they're fun... and not perfect (I can't ever reach perfection anyway).

Thanks for listening Rockoff!
Tumbleweed
Tumbleweed 15th May 2022 22:35 - 2 years ago
There is a lot more to learn on production than some people think..don`t sweat it my friend...it just takes time. There are some decent training courses on line at Berklee Institute but like everything they cost a bit. Some of the music magazines are ok too but they tend to be DAW or genre specific.If you can find a good mentor with the knowledge and patience that really helps..I was able to get several friends locally started back in the days when I had better hearing and was actively involved in studio operation...no worries...it will come in time. Happy to help if I can but my music time is really limited lately. Bet you will find some help here on LM...thats what its about.
BaoBou
BaoBou replied 16th May 2022 - 2 years ago
Well, here's the irony. I signed up for a course here in London, and the course asked to submit a song that could be wored on - so I wrote the current song last Sunday.

I think it would be an excellent thing to work with... but now the production course is probably not going to happen :D (facepalm)

So I'm weighing my options. There must be several ones; the teacher I mentioned actually studied at the Berklee you mention, so that's probably a good place to look.
BTW reuploaded an earlier mix. I had made a "cleaner" one yesterday but noticed just now that in fact it sucked (even more), so...

We live and learn :)

Thanks again man!! Much appreciated!
Tumbleweed
Tumbleweed 15th May 2022 20:46 - 2 years ago
Has a cool retro vibe. I think you have about all the ingredients here,,the main issues are with production: needs to be stepped up in gain and lots of punch added. Good idea to start with compression on the individual tracks that need it (drums..quick release will get them perking...guitar, bass...you can nail the bass with lots of compression & a slow release..insert some soft-knee limiting on the master when you mix down...render a pre-master mix, then set up a new mastering project to finalize & bring a little closer to commercial volume...but don`t do the loudness war thing..it just squashes your instrument peaks...cheers...sounding good. keep it going..have fun
BaoBou
BaoBou replied 15th May 2022 - 2 years ago
Thanks a lot Tumbleweed, some great tips - also some things I'm not sure where to start :D
I usually have some standard compression on the bass set up and some filters on guitar and vocals, but it's clearly not enough. Things to learn then, and that means growth :)
Thanks a lot for your help!!
rockoff
rockoff 15th May 2022 17:01 - 2 years ago
NICE MAN IN WAYS I CAN IMAGINE a jazzy brass to this
BaoBou
BaoBou replied 15th May 2022 - 2 years ago
Thanks a lot buddy!
crucethus
crucethus 14th May 2022 03:22 - 2 years ago
I got a real "Sympathy for the devil" vibe from this one. it's a good tune, as Ben has stated it's in the mix, levels, and finally the mastering where you need this song to be elevated to the rightful lofty status it deserves. I need those vocals brought up louder. the only reason they are not is that you probably don't feel comfortable yet singing. This is where a taskmaster producer comes in handy kicking you in the gonads to bring that sound up. I would also bring aboard some Ozone 9 from Izotope to widen the mix with the relay, especially with those guitars. and maybe subtly add in Valhalla Supermassive for some space. Right now it sounds like a proper 4 track demo made in a basement. I can't wait to hear what ben does with it. If you need another perspective I can always lend a hand as well.
Good work.
Steven
BaoBou
BaoBou replied 14th May 2022 - 2 years ago
Thanks a lot Steven! The Stones and especially SFtD are some of my favourites, so I'll take that :)
You're right about the vocals, both regarding the mix and the confidence, and yes I'll work on both.
I'm very interested in the tools you mention, so I'll give those a try :)
And thank you for offering your help! You bet I will take you up on that, always much appreciate your work and help matey!!
KuRoChKa
KuRoChKa 13th May 2022 20:15 - 2 years ago
ffffffff
BaoBou
BaoBou replied 13th May 2022 - 2 years ago
Thank you! ...I think ;)
bringerofDOOM
bringerofDOOM 13th May 2022 15:42 - 2 years ago
Happy to help. Make sure they are all dry (no post EQ, but "baked in" wet FX are fine, such as guitar pedal FX), and normalized (if possible). Also, I get to wait up to 24 hrs for OneDrive to "unfreeze," so I might be sending you a google drive folder link instead, we will see.

TTYL.
BaoBou
BaoBou replied 13th May 2022 - 2 years ago
Yeah got it :) Thanks again! You have my mail I think, and else you'll know where to find me through DM ;)
bringerofDOOM
bringerofDOOM 13th May 2022 15:05 - 2 years ago
Good writing and composition.

I think I still have a shared folder with you. If you want, I can send a fresh link. Drop your stems in. I will fix your loudness/saturation/muddiness issues, then explain what I did via email.

Up to you. Hope you are doing well, TTYL.
BaoBou
BaoBou replied 13th May 2022 - 2 years ago
Hi Ben, that's an awesome offer man. Let me do that, we had the folder for the "guitar battle" right? I'll create some exports over the weekend. You da man!
pseudoble
pseudoble 13th May 2022 02:29 - 2 years ago
Hey there - I like the energy and the composition - the very live sound is kinda cool but I do wonder what a more 'studio' sound might do - sound wise there is a lot of space in there that might be utilised. For some reason the guitar had me thinking of talking heads - circa - more songs about building and food. Overall I think it is a great track - for sure keep going with it : )
BaoBou
BaoBou replied 13th May 2022 - 2 years ago
Hey man! Yeah you're right, there's clearly a lot of muddledness. I'm not happy at all with the quality of the drum recording (will do that again if I have a better kick mic) and the vocals need some cleaning up - some filtering, but also there's too many layers there now.

I'm curious and interested what you mean with "lot of space that might be utilised", that sounds really interesting - feel free to drop me a DM if you care to elucidate because clearly you know what you're talking about and I don't :)

BTW I created this song this week as an entry for a production/engineering course that should happen soon (fingers crossed). I think the teacher will have his hands full with me :D
OMaille
OMaille 12th May 2022 23:34 - 2 years ago
The bones are there. I can feel the energy. I think the BPM needs to drop by 10-15. It feels a little rushed. But the overall melody, guitar strumming and bass are great. Steely Dan vibe.
BaoBou
BaoBou replied 13th May 2022 - 2 years ago
Dude, that's a really good shout, I knew immediately what you meant. I played around a bit and didn't go as far as you said, but dropping from 120 to 116 made a noticeable difference. 110 was too much for me, but I'll play around a bit more (and maybe rerecord some of the bits).

Thanks a lot!! and a comparison to Steely Dan... praise doesn't get much higher than that for me :) I'm positively beaming here!
Cyberflares
Cyberflares 12th May 2022 18:15 - 2 years ago
loving the guitr sound and the over all energy of this track good work so far.
BaoBou
BaoBou replied 12th May 2022 - 2 years ago
Thanks a lot buddy! :) Trying to keep the guitar energy flowing on this site ;)
Jynxz
Jynxz 11th May 2022 23:15 - 2 years ago
Hello BaoBou,

I love the composition.
I haven't heard any of your music since the old days
(2019) when I first got on LM.

It feels like you brick walled the EQ at 100Hz.
The Bass and Drums were jamming but I couldn't really
hear or feel them(that could just be me IJS)

I'm really into the Keys and Vocals.
The track sounds "Live".

Great track. Faved..

PEACE...
BaoBou
BaoBou replied 12th May 2022 - 2 years ago
Thanks!! First of all, yes, I played all instruments live: drums in the studio, guitar and bass direct input, keys through a midi keyboard, vocals in the studio again. No samples except my own :)

The EQ is a good one. I'll check that; there's no brick wall, but both bass and kick drum do have some EQ to filter out noise.

It's cool you still remember my first steps on the path of music :) I think I made many steps since then, not in the least through the help of Loopermen and women who gave me loads of good tips! Thanks again :)
dimestop
dimestop 11th May 2022 21:22 - 2 years ago
Hey BaoBou nice track, it's got bounce bro, vocal needs to be louder the guitars and bass are great as are the solid drums great rolls bro, I'm glad you're excited about this, don't care about anyone more than being you and doing it YOUR way great bones to master bro bring it back when you have your best cut
BaoBou
BaoBou replied 11th May 2022 - 2 years ago
Thanks a lot buddy! You're right, the vocals need to pop more in the mix, but I want them rerecorded and fixed first.
And thanks a lot for the encouragement!

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