Regreetings:
Billy and Jimmy had a mutual admiration for each other at that time. Hendrix took him out on tour because of that, I'm sure a bit of each of them rubbed off.
"Comanche" is from the Ute name for them, kɨmantsi (enemy) They broke from the Shoshone after acquiring horses from the Pueblo.
How do you get a drummer off your porch?
Pay him for the pizza. (Ouch)
First Time I heard ZZ Top. Glad U asked....I was young and my parents had a cable box with a dial on it. I found if I manoeuvred the dial ever so carefully between the channels I would evade the scrambling resistor and I could watch the playboy channel. They had some video with some playmates to the awesome tune of cheap sunglasses, ahh the innocence of youth.
Thanks for the re-greet Cru.
I happen to have a lil relative story of my own that I've decided to lay on you...
Several years ago I worked for a company here in Dallas called Showco, that designed and built sound stage set ups for concerts. Later I also worked on the development of an off-shoot venture of theirs that spawned Vari-Lite, which revolutionized stage lighting. One of the first bands to take interest in Vari-Lite was ZZ Top. My boss at the time, lets call him "Happy", grew up in Houston and went to school with Billy. "Hap" had a few acres of land south of big D, and well...had him a nice bumper crop of home grown. One day Billy and Frank showed up at the facility to approve the lighting designs for their upcoming "Eliminator" tour. Billy came in wearing this flamboyant baby blue satin jumpsuit with a white cowboy hat and brand new Tony Lama ostrich skin cowboy boots. Long story short, Hap jumped in a limo with the boys and retreated to his south 40 for a brief respite. When they returned, in walks Billy with his boots covered in red Texas mud and the whole ass end of his pants ripped out. "WTF happened !", we all asked. Billy just said "A little mishap with security down at Rancho Texacano". Translation: His muddy boots lost their grip while crossing the barbed wire fence that bordered a special portion of Haps property. We all laughed till we cried, and was glad he was sporting underwear! They later named one of their best-of albums after Hap's Hacienda. Lots of craziness and fun times back then. Maybe I will recount a few more when the time is right - only here on Looperman.
Nicely done! Very cool guitar indeed. Totally digging the drums. Nothing more fun than cranking the amp up a few dbs!! I believe Billy Gibbons was on a recent episode of Live From Daryl's House(Daryl Hall) and performed a few of his classics. If you have some time check it out online, it is very cool. Gave this a few listens and gonna fav, well done!
I will definitely have to check out that episode. Billy's getting up there in age but can still play. Thanks for weighing in bro and YES, finally someone who likes the drums! Thanks a lot Wayne.
Hat's off great to hear some great guitar work.
Reminds me more of blackfoot thought than gib's although.
I do hear one or two licks of his in here.
I do have one comment SRV is more respected in Texas than Billy Gib's is. They even build a statue in memory of him.
This is not a comment to start a war just a statement from what I have read on line. I like Billy Gibb.s - Beer Drinkers and Hell Raisers was a great tune.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that Stevie Ray Vaughn is more respected but I certainly agree that he is highly regarded, well loved and most sorely missed. Especially here in Dallas, his birth place and home town. I loved Stevie's style and was a huge fan. I bought his records, went to his shows and played his music. He wasn't as much an influence for me as Billy though. I've played a lot of blues but never was a bluesman. Billy's style is more rock infused which was more to my liking. Stevie's death was no doubt tragic. Yes Austin, which is a music mecca here in the U.S. and the place where Stevie played most frequently, erected a statue in his honor. Dallas is also finally getting around to constructing a memorial for him late this year. Of course all this has been a result of his passing.
Blackfoot was a good Southern rock band. I played "Train Train" quite a few times.
yeahhhhhhh!!!!! I love ZZtop, But I love the fact Billy Gibbons was influenced by Hendrix. This is a nice Blues Guitar sound you have created, that reminds us of Tejas! But it does need drums......
I liked it though.
Keep on Keepin!
Cru
Not entirely sure if Billy's playing was that influenced by Jimi but anybody playing blues or guitar for that matter at the time would certainly have taken some kind of interest in Hendrix. Billy began playing with the Moving Sidewalks who actually opened for The Jimi Hendrix Experience during their first American tour. Interesting you mention Tejas. It's one of my favorite ZZ Top albums and the song Asleep in the Desert influenced the idea for this track. Nobody digs my drums on this ....(pouting)?
Thanks a bunch for the comment Cru.
I first heard a ZZ top album here in England around 1973 I think it would have been.
A guy turned up said listen to this started to skin up and produced a bottle of Jim Beam ... that was my introduction to ZZ and what a great afternoon we had!
I think I may have been one of the earlIest Englanders to get a listen as he'd bought the album back from the states with him .... and the bud!
You have certainly got the tone and depth there.
I love your tale of the Indians .... I grew up on cowboys and Indians.
Jim Morrison had a thing about Indian spirits I believe and standing on the plains plugged in and playing that could well be a very very spiritual thing.
I want to put some howling wind on that slow intro and a distant Indian yell echoing down the distant canyon ......
I'm more into ZZ's earlier stuff too.
A cousin of mine who had moved to Laredo after returning home from 2 tours in Vietnam came to visit the family and left me a copy of Tres Hombres. I was at the time digging into legendary rock bands like Sabbath, Zepplin, Deep Purple, Hendrix etc. I was floored by ZZ Tops style of Blues. Ended up playing a lot of their old stuff and introducing their music to friends and audiences in New York who hadn't heard it.
Yeah I thought about the Indian yell too but couldn't find anything appropriate. Thanks for the cool story Silve, I appreciate ya !
Some pretty pastoral sounds that lead to some very contemplative guit-speak.
I keep thinking, Where are the drums? You hold off for a good while, and come in with a very different beat than I kept expecting. That is the kind of thing that makes a track memorable to me. Very engaging and energetic guitar work in the second half.
As you well know, sometimes you get inspired by something and one of the first thoughts is "how can I work this idea into a song"? Tumbleweed referred to it as picture painting and essentially that was the goal with this. But since there is no distorted guitar in traditional American Indian music it was never going to be recognized as such. I knew that going in but was still compelled to give it a shot.
Yeah considering the progression I was thinking that many may not give this a full listen. Thanks for your patience man.
There is a town here called Comanche, which is about half way between Ft. Worth and Abilene. Its a small rural town but is well known for surrounding areas being haunted by Indian spirits. I may gather some gear and a generator and venture out there this summer and serenade them. Freak out some of the locals!
its picture painting mind bending good stuff Neomorpheus....I was at some after-parties a few decades ago where we would have just put this on repeat play and listened for the rest of the night....fantastic bit of musical art....I could listen to a lot of music like this...thanks....Ed
Haha, I can relate to those kind of after parties Ed !
So glad to hear that this makes sense to some. As always, good to get your feedback and I'm very thankful for the kind words.
Neomorpheus
Mate,
Your guitar playing is heaven one can listen to it all day long .
Wow wow wow fantastic track.
My hats off to you mate……..favs it goes.
Well done.
Jamid
I'm listening again and enjoying that cool intro once more. Really tasty playing that's highly evocative of a certain landscape and mood.
Can't say I can hear them Texan scorpions in the mix but they're probably subtle, no doubt adding some extra bite/sting. Or maybe that's what they're adding in the second half.
1:51, 2:00,2:08, 2:10 audio pops (from edits, I presume). I can't be much more specific than that.
Right, I've worked out a bit more of the problem when the drums enter: there's a distinctive lack of bass.
Beat is OK but could be better. Also, it's too repetitive - just sounds like a single 4 bar loop. No drum fills aren't helping push the guitar the way they could/should.
Fadeout ending also isn't good enough. Some sort of change into something slightly different and maybe more epic would make for a more memorable conclusion.
Finally, my favourite drummer joke, and it is drummer-specific, unlike the girlfriend/homeless one, is:
What do you call a drummer who can keep time?
Roland.
No one gets that if they're not a musician and thus have at least heard of Roland drum machines.
Oh and thanks for your kind words about me in that Looperman family thread. More on that later...
I hope to get some time this weekend to do a little more work on this bro. Yeah I did try a couple of different things with the drums on the intro but decided to keep it very basic and pretty much only wanted the drums there to keep the beat. Very similar to what you would hear in an Indian war beat.
Lovely guitar playing for your intro. Didn't know you could play like that. Very laid back and sounds like it probably wasn't played to a click. Sounds like you're out there in the desert communicating with Indian spirits via the fretboard.
Might even be a coyote in there - Valvedriver has them in a track or two as they live near him. None here in England so I asked him to send me some but no sign of the package yet.
1:20 we come alive with some chunky tone and tasty, muscular grooving. I can hear some audio pops in there though so maybe you've edited together a few bits. Doesn't all sound smooth.
2:19 Oh no!!! That beat really doesn't fit, both timing-wise and in terms of the mood and vibe. Real letdown when it came in. Sorry but I do try to be honest. I was enjoying it quite a bit before then.
Just play around with some other grooves and kit sounds. That one is too light and electronic. Electronic could work well as something different rather than predictable crashing rock kits but this isn't it.
If you can fix your drums (a lot) you would have a cool track.
I have communicated with Indian spirits, I think?
Peyote contains psychoactive alkaloids...well enough said.
(Jk haha!)
Yes plenty of coyotes here and rattlesnakes and scorpions which are also in the mix, just a little hard to make out, unless you got some Peyote. Valvedriver probably doesn't have any Peyote up there in the hills, but them shrooms of his are just as potent!
Not sure of what pops your hearing, coulda been the wood popping on the campfire. I might have an edit or two in that first section but the second is a straight through one shot. Could be a click from an effects pedal in there, I will check it out.
Cant believe you don't like my beat man. Electronic! Its tribal, Tomtom log drum and wood block that's it. Its a little difficult to get perfection from primal instruments. I appreciate your comments bro for sure and I don't argue your critiques but grooves and kit sounds are not what I want. Haha, oh well we can agree to disagree on this one.
Some nasty licks in this, I guess the plains at one time in history
was the swamps, only because of that down home feel...
Ain't nothing but some Music and this is the deal, for real...
Always great to get your take on things Danke.
Trying to do something a bit different here.
Even a bit like ZZ is one heck of a compliment. I'm more of a fan of their earlier material though - Rio Grande Mud, Tejas, Fandango, Tres Honbres, Deguello era, the pre-Mtv stuff.
You know what they say about drummers don't you? ;) But you're a metalhead that plays guitar AND blues too so I guess you're ok :D LOL!LOL! Love the blues!! keep 'em coming plz! I'm going through a bit of a doom metal phase, after that blues phase, but I got a few blues jams to get up here :D Maybe in the future I can do drum arrangement out of one of my loop packs, play bass (I know how you feel about bass players ;) LOL!!!) and you could jam some blues guitar on it :D
Thanks for the comments AJ. I know this isn't a typical song and most may not get what I'm going for if they have never heard American Indian tribal music. With that being said, the drums here are a feeble attempt to bring that tribal sound to the mix.
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Billy and Jimmy had a mutual admiration for each other at that time. Hendrix took him out on tour because of that, I'm sure a bit of each of them rubbed off.
"Comanche" is from the Ute name for them, kɨmantsi (enemy) They broke from the Shoshone after acquiring horses from the Pueblo.
How do you get a drummer off your porch?
Pay him for the pizza. (Ouch)
First Time I heard ZZ Top. Glad U asked....I was young and my parents had a cable box with a dial on it. I found if I manoeuvred the dial ever so carefully between the channels I would evade the scrambling resistor and I could watch the playboy channel. They had some video with some playmates to the awesome tune of cheap sunglasses, ahh the innocence of youth.
I happen to have a lil relative story of my own that I've decided to lay on you...
Several years ago I worked for a company here in Dallas called Showco, that designed and built sound stage set ups for concerts. Later I also worked on the development of an off-shoot venture of theirs that spawned Vari-Lite, which revolutionized stage lighting. One of the first bands to take interest in Vari-Lite was ZZ Top. My boss at the time, lets call him "Happy", grew up in Houston and went to school with Billy. "Hap" had a few acres of land south of big D, and well...had him a nice bumper crop of home grown. One day Billy and Frank showed up at the facility to approve the lighting designs for their upcoming "Eliminator" tour. Billy came in wearing this flamboyant baby blue satin jumpsuit with a white cowboy hat and brand new Tony Lama ostrich skin cowboy boots. Long story short, Hap jumped in a limo with the boys and retreated to his south 40 for a brief respite. When they returned, in walks Billy with his boots covered in red Texas mud and the whole ass end of his pants ripped out. "WTF happened !", we all asked. Billy just said "A little mishap with security down at Rancho Texacano". Translation: His muddy boots lost their grip while crossing the barbed wire fence that bordered a special portion of Haps property. We all laughed till we cried, and was glad he was sporting underwear! They later named one of their best-of albums after Hap's Hacienda. Lots of craziness and fun times back then. Maybe I will recount a few more when the time is right - only here on Looperman.
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Wayne
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Reminds me more of blackfoot thought than gib's although.
I do hear one or two licks of his in here.
I do have one comment SRV is more respected in Texas than Billy Gib's is. They even build a statue in memory of him.
This is not a comment to start a war just a statement from what I have read on line. I like Billy Gibb.s - Beer Drinkers and Hell Raisers was a great tune.
Again great track and great guitar playing.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that Stevie Ray Vaughn is more respected but I certainly agree that he is highly regarded, well loved and most sorely missed. Especially here in Dallas, his birth place and home town. I loved Stevie's style and was a huge fan. I bought his records, went to his shows and played his music. He wasn't as much an influence for me as Billy though. I've played a lot of blues but never was a bluesman. Billy's style is more rock infused which was more to my liking. Stevie's death was no doubt tragic. Yes Austin, which is a music mecca here in the U.S. and the place where Stevie played most frequently, erected a statue in his honor. Dallas is also finally getting around to constructing a memorial for him late this year. Of course all this has been a result of his passing.
Blackfoot was a good Southern rock band. I played "Train Train" quite a few times.
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I liked it though.
Keep on Keepin!
Cru
Thanks a bunch for the comment Cru.
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A guy turned up said listen to this started to skin up and produced a bottle of Jim Beam ... that was my introduction to ZZ and what a great afternoon we had!
I think I may have been one of the earlIest Englanders to get a listen as he'd bought the album back from the states with him .... and the bud!
You have certainly got the tone and depth there.
I love your tale of the Indians .... I grew up on cowboys and Indians.
Jim Morrison had a thing about Indian spirits I believe and standing on the plains plugged in and playing that could well be a very very spiritual thing.
I want to put some howling wind on that slow intro and a distant Indian yell echoing down the distant canyon ......
A cousin of mine who had moved to Laredo after returning home from 2 tours in Vietnam came to visit the family and left me a copy of Tres Hombres. I was at the time digging into legendary rock bands like Sabbath, Zepplin, Deep Purple, Hendrix etc. I was floored by ZZ Tops style of Blues. Ended up playing a lot of their old stuff and introducing their music to friends and audiences in New York who hadn't heard it.
Yeah I thought about the Indian yell too but couldn't find anything appropriate. Thanks for the cool story Silve, I appreciate ya !
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Some pretty pastoral sounds that lead to some very contemplative guit-speak.
I keep thinking, Where are the drums? You hold off for a good while, and come in with a very different beat than I kept expecting. That is the kind of thing that makes a track memorable to me. Very engaging and energetic guitar work in the second half.
Consider it deeply dug!
Evan
Yeah considering the progression I was thinking that many may not give this a full listen. Thanks for your patience man.
There is a town here called Comanche, which is about half way between Ft. Worth and Abilene. Its a small rural town but is well known for surrounding areas being haunted by Indian spirits. I may gather some gear and a generator and venture out there this summer and serenade them. Freak out some of the locals!
Thanks Evan.
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So glad to hear that this makes sense to some. As always, good to get your feedback and I'm very thankful for the kind words.
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Mate,
Your guitar playing is heaven one can listen to it all day long .
Wow wow wow fantastic track.
My hats off to you mate……..favs it goes.
Well done.
Jamid
Really appreciate the listen and comments my friend.
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I'm listening again and enjoying that cool intro once more. Really tasty playing that's highly evocative of a certain landscape and mood.
Can't say I can hear them Texan scorpions in the mix but they're probably subtle, no doubt adding some extra bite/sting. Or maybe that's what they're adding in the second half.
1:51, 2:00,2:08, 2:10 audio pops (from edits, I presume). I can't be much more specific than that.
Right, I've worked out a bit more of the problem when the drums enter: there's a distinctive lack of bass.
Beat is OK but could be better. Also, it's too repetitive - just sounds like a single 4 bar loop. No drum fills aren't helping push the guitar the way they could/should.
Fadeout ending also isn't good enough. Some sort of change into something slightly different and maybe more epic would make for a more memorable conclusion.
Finally, my favourite drummer joke, and it is drummer-specific, unlike the girlfriend/homeless one, is:
What do you call a drummer who can keep time?
Roland.
No one gets that if they're not a musician and thus have at least heard of Roland drum machines.
Oh and thanks for your kind words about me in that Looperman family thread. More on that later...
Good drum joke - Haha, so true !
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Thanks For the cool comment soundhound, very appreciative.
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Lovely guitar playing for your intro. Didn't know you could play like that. Very laid back and sounds like it probably wasn't played to a click. Sounds like you're out there in the desert communicating with Indian spirits via the fretboard.
Might even be a coyote in there - Valvedriver has them in a track or two as they live near him. None here in England so I asked him to send me some but no sign of the package yet.
1:20 we come alive with some chunky tone and tasty, muscular grooving. I can hear some audio pops in there though so maybe you've edited together a few bits. Doesn't all sound smooth.
2:19 Oh no!!! That beat really doesn't fit, both timing-wise and in terms of the mood and vibe. Real letdown when it came in. Sorry but I do try to be honest. I was enjoying it quite a bit before then.
Just play around with some other grooves and kit sounds. That one is too light and electronic. Electronic could work well as something different rather than predictable crashing rock kits but this isn't it.
If you can fix your drums (a lot) you would have a cool track.
Tasty guit fiddlin' all the same.
Best of luck to you.
Peyote contains psychoactive alkaloids...well enough said.
(Jk haha!)
Yes plenty of coyotes here and rattlesnakes and scorpions which are also in the mix, just a little hard to make out, unless you got some Peyote. Valvedriver probably doesn't have any Peyote up there in the hills, but them shrooms of his are just as potent!
Not sure of what pops your hearing, coulda been the wood popping on the campfire. I might have an edit or two in that first section but the second is a straight through one shot. Could be a click from an effects pedal in there, I will check it out.
Cant believe you don't like my beat man. Electronic! Its tribal, Tomtom log drum and wood block that's it. Its a little difficult to get perfection from primal instruments. I appreciate your comments bro for sure and I don't argue your critiques but grooves and kit sounds are not what I want. Haha, oh well we can agree to disagree on this one.
I'm satisfied that you liked the intro at least.
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was the swamps, only because of that down home feel...
Ain't nothing but some Music and this is the deal, for real...
Peace...TG.
Do you remember back in nineteen sixty six?
Country Jesus, Hillbilly blues, that's where I learned my licks !
Thanks for the feedback TG.
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Incredible guitar work and tune...like the electrish drum sound (bit like ZZ Top too)...
Very fine jam...
Hope all is well, Danke
Trying to do something a bit different here.
Even a bit like ZZ is one heck of a compliment. I'm more of a fan of their earlier material though - Rio Grande Mud, Tejas, Fandango, Tres Honbres, Deguello era, the pre-Mtv stuff.
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Powerfull stuff!!
Compliments______Orlando
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Yes of course I do:
Drummers can Bang for hours!
Q:What do you call a drummer who breaks up with his girlfriend?
A: Homeless
Q:What do Ginger Baker and black coffee have in common?
A: They both suck without Cream.
Q:What is the last thing a drummer says in a band?
A: Hey, when are we gonna do one of my songs?
And last but not least...
Q:How many drummers does it take to change a light bulb?
A: 5. One to screw it in and 4 to talk about how much better Neil Peart could have done it.
Haha!
Yeah man when you get that arrangement done just let me know. I will be glad to try to work some thing up for it. Thanks for the comment Katz!
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