Music is far better than any drug!! What a trip :p You're correct, I was staring at the wall wondering what the hell was happening. For a minute I thought someone put a little something in my coffee. What a description you gave to Promenade! That's the absolute best art, expressing stories through music/sound. You nailed it here.
Thank you PK, you are correct music is better than any drug. Are you enjoying the cold air we sent you tonight from Canada.....windchill tonight here in Ottawa is -41f ...freaking cold.....
here is a tune that has been inspiring over the last few days. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZfcQOmiM5k
Thanks for stopping bye
Cru
Fantastic! Kinda feels like a song I would have listened to back when I was into tripping. And even though I'm not tripping now, it's still a great song. such ambiance. so good.
I used to have a girlfriend called Catatonia. No, not really but it does sound like a lady's name.
This is some very creative stuff right here.
Pleasant little wibbly, sci-fi intro. Very cinematic and quite beautiful, especially the distant piano part. And then some guitar strums and 0:42 we're into something wildly different. The film has drastically changed scene.
1:04 not once but twice I thought someone was knocking on my window behind me so had to turn round to look. No, just Cru's bongos.
I have no idea what sort of genre this strummy guitar section fits in. It's clearly not you in dance mode.
1:58 gamelan sort of tinkly sound that is quite pleasant. Beat is a bit 'big beat' but more chilled.
2:29 that's a nice right panned (and then left) synth arp. Fades away nicely. Then tinkly stuff gets more dischordant and children's nightmarish. And computer gamey.
Then a warm pad so you're back to to the beauty.
3:32 gentle, melodic lead suggests this might turn into a euphoric trance track. Often that's what you'd do but not this time.
Instead 4:48 is quite a cool glitchy beat.
4:58 cool added synth to make this fuller and fatter. It's really quite grooving and beautiful now and that lead from 3:32 is still going but then gets squished out by more tinkles.
Haunting, evolving, glassy pad ending to conclude a very varied track. If you dropped the strummy stuff, you could have a more straightforward melodic track but then it wouldn't represent the catatonia you appear to want to represent in musical form.
"I used to have a girlfriend called Catatonia. No, not really but it does sound like a lady's name.
"
It could be the start to a brilliant Limerick!"
"Pleasant little wibbly, sci-fi intro. Very cinematic and quite beautiful, especially the distant piano part. And then some guitar strums and 0:42 we're into something wildly different. The film has drastically changed scene."
Oh yes, normality then the mental storm hits, building stronger and stronger like the strum of a guitar.
"1:04 not once but twice I thought someone was knocking on my window behind me so had to turn round to look. No, just Cru's bongos. "
You know it wasn't my intention to introduce Paranoia since I covered that on another song, but it would be relevant here as well. great observation.
"I have no idea what sort of genre this strummy guitar section fits in. It's clearly not you in dance mode."
no this is myself in deep introspective mode doing my second musical piece of the day.
"1:58 gamelan sort of tinkly sound that is quite pleasant. Beat is a bit 'big beat' but more chilled.
2:29 that's a nice right panned (and then left) synth arp. Fades away nicely. Then tinkly stuff gets more discordant and children's nightmarish. And computer gamey."
This is the cool part of the song for me. I love that beat and the twinkly bits melding with that electro-bass. The synth arp at 2:29 fit perfectly but then I duplicated it and bumped it up a 6th on the left channel and then cross faded them out gently. Then the discord as we start to reach catatonia. You will be proud.. the pad is a timestretch and designed to sound gently haunting and yet peaceful. This part you won't be proud of when I do a Dr Who ref....wait for it..........(I went all Timey Wimey on the pad!!) The melody is from xylient at this juncture.
"3:32 gentle, melodic lead suggests this might turn into a euphoric trance track. Often that's what you'd do but not this time."
Ah hahh! Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
"Instead 4:48 is quite a cool glitchy beat."
As we come out of the catatonic state things are not alright yet. Very glitchy in real life. Very disjointed.
"Haunting, evolving, glassy pad ending to conclude a very varied track. If you dropped the strummy stuff, you could have a more straightforward melodic track but then it wouldn't represent the catatonia you appear to want to represent in musical form."
You sir are the genius That I expect you to be. You nailed it why I wrote this the way I did, and understand it. Now in the future, maybe I streamline this to be more commercial or more palatable to the easygoing listener. But for now, I will enjoy my little piece of art and am grateful that I get to share it with people who appreciate and can also be honest in appraising what they like and don't like. And also be a sarcastic jacka** every now and then as well.;-)
Crutonia
ok, I listened several times and this might be one of your best works, I think. The samples are definitely great quality ones.
Too much to discuss in details. Slide guitar (0:34) sounds strange at first in different key - you seem to use 2 different sets of acoustic loops for this section. Nice ehthic ambience. There is also some really fine progression around 2:08. I really liked synths at 2:30. 3:12 - a beautiful section, the lead sounds great along the light cathedral atmos. There is some very slight problem with it's audio quality, it seems (it must be played slower or it's a huge reverb that affects the sample, not sure).
4:48 - removing the backgrounds at this point make this entry sound faint in my opinion. It just sounds suddenly different and there is no reason for breaking the narration and waiting till 4:59 to continue with pads/backgrounds. Also there are nice synths and other interesting stuff and that particular section (4:48 - 5:30) seems to be a bit too much overlayered to me. Maybe I would preffer to have something more 'straight' than 'ambient', especially considering that there are so many of good idas for fine 'song' here. Not sure if 'coloring' it with ambient elements was necessary - at least at some places it would be better removing some frequencies of the 'ambients'.
I liked the bright outro (I do not find the atmos dark anymore). Really solid stylistically overkilled track. Very captivating music and I enjoyed it.
"ok, I listened several times and this might be one of your best works, I think."
Thank you for that. It came to me right after making Control Freak. I used the same Xylient loop which sounds so different slowed down. But I just had this idea of telling a story of a person close to me who suffers from Bi-polarism and had a mixed episode which rendered this person almost Catatonic for a week. I wanted to express that notion in a musical form. Thus all the disjointed key sigs, syncopation and dissonant sounds until we reach the deep pad which is Time stretched (the person in question after coming out of the catatonic state thought they were hospitalized for months rather than one week. I thought the pad and a simple melody line conveyed that sense. The glitch like drums coming back in with the pad fading out is the loss of this state and a frantic confused state only to be balanced out in the end.
"I liked the bright outro (I do not find the atmos dark anymore)" thanks, it is meant to convey hope, but a guarded hope.
"Really solid stylistically overkilled track"
I like that description
Thanks for your thoughts and ideas Alex, very much appreciated.
Steve
Nice one! Never will be a top hit because the style, but sounds really interesting and fun. My fav part is around 2:08 where the bass line coming in, that part is simply awesome. The mix is cool and smooth, despite the several mood changes. Great work!
Thanks for the listen. You are right when you say this one is not for pop radio at all. This is more for intellectual study or deep meditation of the medicinal kind I think. Or just being insane ;-)
Cru
Interesting and diverse!
Not much to comment because the words have scrambled into questions on so many intentions!
Not my interest but keep it up i guess ha!
Thanks, if you ever have any questions on why or how, ask away. this song would not be everyone's cup of tea but I like to make avant garde songs every now and then.
Cru
hello cru. I saw the previous track you posted while ago and think that Xyilent's synth lead function much better in this new composition. Interesting manipulations on this loop at the beginning. There is a problem with lack of variety of many looperman loops - I see only few members uploading sets of loops (with variations). Would be nice to have a slight variation of that beautiful synth melody.
Shame I cant say anything more in details until I'll play this on proper speakers. I can't remember any other Ambient piece from you but this one sounds also very eclectic considering the acoustic additions and some dark ambient atmospheres.
I can hear reminiscences of 'Nerve Net' by Brian Eno (the only electronic album I had a chance to listen to closely last times).
Definitely a throwback to the 70s. This is awesome. I never grew up on this stuff so thanks for giving me a good taste of what it must have been like. Thanks for this one, I had a fun time listening to it.
Thanks BS.
This is not your typical seventies tune though, this one belongs deep in the underground sound and avant garde aprox 1979-80 at least in the pantheon of this type of music. And this one is a fun one to play.
Cru
this is break out of a mutant dungeon with sweet weapons stolen from a well dressed overlord in the midst of a nuclear infiltration while also having flowing locks of intense action sequence, music.
Somebody likes to play video games.................just a guess ;-) Very dramatic description which I appreciate and thanks for stopping in and commenting.
Cru
Now that helps Joe! Thank You.
"At the time the genre arose, important synthesizers were the Korg MS-20, Emulator II, Oberheim Matrix and Yamaha DX7.
Typical EBM rhythms are based on 4/4 beats, mainly with some minor syncopation to suggest a rock music rhythm structure."
Since this is using the Korg MS2000 which is an emulator of the MS20 and the Yamaha RM1x which has some patches from the DX7 in it's banks and the fact I use a 4/4 beat in a rock like way means you have won the genre challenge my friend. Never heard of this until I met you. And from what it describes you are spot on. congrats.
Genres.....mmmmmm.....who the hack needs them? My mistake to use one of them to explain something :)
Ok, lets try to explain the unexplainabel
Disco is in my mind something fresh an funny, somekind of good vibrations and happy shiny people that dance in a friendly style and have a smile on there faces .... i think you know what i mean :)
EBM is more a bit darker, a bit more hypnotic, a bit more on a -stand around and dance in a standing way- with closed eys and some more "inside" feelings ....... bla bla bla :)
Maybe your -demon disco- fits real good :)
but i (personaly) dont have a demonic feeling at this track
cause demonic sounds so evil and i think this isnt evil at all, it is just a cool kind of disco music in my ears with a little dark hypnotic touch.
But who cares, it is just music. cool music. Nothing more, nothing less. And you played it all very very well my friend.
Respect for a real musican like you are one for sure Steve.
Hope that this helps to understand what i wanted to say :)
"EBM is more a bit darker, a bit more hypnotic, a bit more on a -stand around and dance in a standing way- with closed eys and some more "inside" feelings ....... bla bla bla :)"
OK Joe I get your Zeitgeist on this, but what does EBM stand for exactly? Electronic Bitch Music? Electronic Bourgeois music, Emo Banging Mantra's...that's what I wanted clarification on.
"it is just a cool kind of disco music in my ears with a little dark hypnotic touch."
I would agree with that assessment. Demon Disco is not a widely used term, and I believe New Order would fall into that category with Blue Monday.
"Respect for a real musican like you are one for sure Steve."
Thank you Mate.
to me Disco is more complicated and simpler than the fluff pop garbage we got served on pop radio from 1977-1980. There is T.S.O.P. filled with strings. Funk-Disco (White Cherry), Giorgio Moroder's electronic early Trance. rock disco fusion. Early House music. But the one thing in common with all those tracks and genres was a simple 4/4 beat at around 120bpm, that is all you need to be considered disco.
Bee Gee's were incredible songwriters and melody creators. For a period they still wrote great songs but just added the 4/4 beat. I heard Adam Lambert do a version of more than a woman, but in a broken down acoustic style that was incredible. why...the underlying song and melody is good.
Cru54
Ahh I love doing that solo. It's actually much easier than many of the other solos I have done. But I love to play this one and glad u got to hear it and most touched you commented on it , with it's many wah effects because it's just pure joy for me to play.
Cru
you made me tap my foot, with something that was the same time a bit "scary".
I must be insane... how did you know it? :-)
Hope all is well...
Ciao, Domenico
Domenico... you are definitely not insane my friend. your one of the sanest people I know here! Demon disco at it's finest. This song is really a test to make sure you haven't had a stroke!
Steve
Well Steve I must admit I never was much of a fan of the 70's Disco era. But there was some pretty cool things happening music wise that developed and ushered in the new wave / electronic sounds of the 80's. To me this track is really representative of that time period and one artist in particular -Thomas Dolby. That synth hook line is very close to the one he used in "She Blinded me with Science". I played the grooves outta that album!
Really slick production here bro. Totally dig your keyboard work, nice BIG wall of sound and the funky fills are a cool contrasting element to the orchestration. Very dynamic and suspenseful sounding track.
All those songs contributed to the synthesis of this one. Thomas Dolby.. love his work. Hyperactive, and Close but no cigar are two of my fav songs from him.
nice comment my friend.
Crugracious
Yo Steve this is a intresting one.
Sounds a bit like a EBM sort of Disco (in my ears and or mind)
But thats a real nice thing!
I like this sound that sounds like someone should say -dis-co-thek- and that makes this track kind of hypnotic in a way. Nice speed, it's a bit a driving groove and stays a little in mind after hearing.
Did you play it all by yourself?
The mix is well sounding and the solo is in a cool wild style.
This is a sort of disco i realy can enjoy.
Hey Joe,
" EBM sort of Disco " please explain EBM to me?
This is played entirely by myself. String stabs, guitar sounds, percussion, bass line. All me on this one.
I was going for a Demon Disco sound.
Cruditeck
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here is a tune that has been inspiring over the last few days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZfcQOmiM5k
Thanks for stopping bye
Cru
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cru
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;-)
Cru
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I used to have a girlfriend called Catatonia. No, not really but it does sound like a lady's name.
This is some very creative stuff right here.
Pleasant little wibbly, sci-fi intro. Very cinematic and quite beautiful, especially the distant piano part. And then some guitar strums and 0:42 we're into something wildly different. The film has drastically changed scene.
1:04 not once but twice I thought someone was knocking on my window behind me so had to turn round to look. No, just Cru's bongos.
I have no idea what sort of genre this strummy guitar section fits in. It's clearly not you in dance mode.
1:58 gamelan sort of tinkly sound that is quite pleasant. Beat is a bit 'big beat' but more chilled.
2:29 that's a nice right panned (and then left) synth arp. Fades away nicely. Then tinkly stuff gets more dischordant and children's nightmarish. And computer gamey.
Then a warm pad so you're back to to the beauty.
3:32 gentle, melodic lead suggests this might turn into a euphoric trance track. Often that's what you'd do but not this time.
Instead 4:48 is quite a cool glitchy beat.
4:58 cool added synth to make this fuller and fatter. It's really quite grooving and beautiful now and that lead from 3:32 is still going but then gets squished out by more tinkles.
Haunting, evolving, glassy pad ending to conclude a very varied track. If you dropped the strummy stuff, you could have a more straightforward melodic track but then it wouldn't represent the catatonia you appear to want to represent in musical form.
Congrats on more creative musical endeavours
Ambient Statmad
"I used to have a girlfriend called Catatonia. No, not really but it does sound like a lady's name.
"
It could be the start to a brilliant Limerick!"
"Pleasant little wibbly, sci-fi intro. Very cinematic and quite beautiful, especially the distant piano part. And then some guitar strums and 0:42 we're into something wildly different. The film has drastically changed scene."
Oh yes, normality then the mental storm hits, building stronger and stronger like the strum of a guitar.
"1:04 not once but twice I thought someone was knocking on my window behind me so had to turn round to look. No, just Cru's bongos. "
You know it wasn't my intention to introduce Paranoia since I covered that on another song, but it would be relevant here as well. great observation.
"I have no idea what sort of genre this strummy guitar section fits in. It's clearly not you in dance mode."
no this is myself in deep introspective mode doing my second musical piece of the day.
"1:58 gamelan sort of tinkly sound that is quite pleasant. Beat is a bit 'big beat' but more chilled.
2:29 that's a nice right panned (and then left) synth arp. Fades away nicely. Then tinkly stuff gets more discordant and children's nightmarish. And computer gamey."
This is the cool part of the song for me. I love that beat and the twinkly bits melding with that electro-bass. The synth arp at 2:29 fit perfectly but then I duplicated it and bumped it up a 6th on the left channel and then cross faded them out gently. Then the discord as we start to reach catatonia. You will be proud.. the pad is a timestretch and designed to sound gently haunting and yet peaceful. This part you won't be proud of when I do a Dr Who ref....wait for it..........(I went all Timey Wimey on the pad!!) The melody is from xylient at this juncture.
"3:32 gentle, melodic lead suggests this might turn into a euphoric trance track. Often that's what you'd do but not this time."
Ah hahh! Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
"Instead 4:48 is quite a cool glitchy beat."
As we come out of the catatonic state things are not alright yet. Very glitchy in real life. Very disjointed.
"Haunting, evolving, glassy pad ending to conclude a very varied track. If you dropped the strummy stuff, you could have a more straightforward melodic track but then it wouldn't represent the catatonia you appear to want to represent in musical form."
You sir are the genius That I expect you to be. You nailed it why I wrote this the way I did, and understand it. Now in the future, maybe I streamline this to be more commercial or more palatable to the easygoing listener. But for now, I will enjoy my little piece of art and am grateful that I get to share it with people who appreciate and can also be honest in appraising what they like and don't like. And also be a sarcastic jacka** every now and then as well.;-)
Crutonia
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ok, I listened several times and this might be one of your best works, I think. The samples are definitely great quality ones.
Too much to discuss in details. Slide guitar (0:34) sounds strange at first in different key - you seem to use 2 different sets of acoustic loops for this section. Nice ehthic ambience. There is also some really fine progression around 2:08. I really liked synths at 2:30. 3:12 - a beautiful section, the lead sounds great along the light cathedral atmos. There is some very slight problem with it's audio quality, it seems (it must be played slower or it's a huge reverb that affects the sample, not sure).
4:48 - removing the backgrounds at this point make this entry sound faint in my opinion. It just sounds suddenly different and there is no reason for breaking the narration and waiting till 4:59 to continue with pads/backgrounds. Also there are nice synths and other interesting stuff and that particular section (4:48 - 5:30) seems to be a bit too much overlayered to me. Maybe I would preffer to have something more 'straight' than 'ambient', especially considering that there are so many of good idas for fine 'song' here. Not sure if 'coloring' it with ambient elements was necessary - at least at some places it would be better removing some frequencies of the 'ambients'.
I liked the bright outro (I do not find the atmos dark anymore). Really solid stylistically overkilled track. Very captivating music and I enjoyed it.
Alex
Thank you for that. It came to me right after making Control Freak. I used the same Xylient loop which sounds so different slowed down. But I just had this idea of telling a story of a person close to me who suffers from Bi-polarism and had a mixed episode which rendered this person almost Catatonic for a week. I wanted to express that notion in a musical form. Thus all the disjointed key sigs, syncopation and dissonant sounds until we reach the deep pad which is Time stretched (the person in question after coming out of the catatonic state thought they were hospitalized for months rather than one week. I thought the pad and a simple melody line conveyed that sense. The glitch like drums coming back in with the pad fading out is the loss of this state and a frantic confused state only to be balanced out in the end.
"I liked the bright outro (I do not find the atmos dark anymore)" thanks, it is meant to convey hope, but a guarded hope.
"Really solid stylistically overkilled track"
I like that description
Thanks for your thoughts and ideas Alex, very much appreciated.
Steve
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regards, traz
Cru
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Not much to comment because the words have scrambled into questions on so many intentions!
Not my interest but keep it up i guess ha!
Cru
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Shame I cant say anything more in details until I'll play this on proper speakers. I can't remember any other Ambient piece from you but this one sounds also very eclectic considering the acoustic additions and some dark ambient atmospheres.
I can hear reminiscences of 'Nerve Net' by Brian Eno (the only electronic album I had a chance to listen to closely last times).
I am going to dl for more of later enjoyment.
Best to you, Alex
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This is not your typical seventies tune though, this one belongs deep in the underground sound and avant garde aprox 1979-80 at least in the pantheon of this type of music. And this one is a fun one to play.
Cru
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Cru
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Cheers,
Scott
Cru
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_body_music
hope that helps in a way :)
stay tuned
joe
"At the time the genre arose, important synthesizers were the Korg MS-20, Emulator II, Oberheim Matrix and Yamaha DX7.
Typical EBM rhythms are based on 4/4 beats, mainly with some minor syncopation to suggest a rock music rhythm structure."
Since this is using the Korg MS2000 which is an emulator of the MS20 and the Yamaha RM1x which has some patches from the DX7 in it's banks and the fact I use a 4/4 beat in a rock like way means you have won the genre challenge my friend. Never heard of this until I met you. And from what it describes you are spot on. congrats.
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Ok, lets try to explain the unexplainabel
Disco is in my mind something fresh an funny, somekind of good vibrations and happy shiny people that dance in a friendly style and have a smile on there faces .... i think you know what i mean :)
EBM is more a bit darker, a bit more hypnotic, a bit more on a -stand around and dance in a standing way- with closed eys and some more "inside" feelings ....... bla bla bla :)
Maybe your -demon disco- fits real good :)
but i (personaly) dont have a demonic feeling at this track
cause demonic sounds so evil and i think this isnt evil at all, it is just a cool kind of disco music in my ears with a little dark hypnotic touch.
But who cares, it is just music. cool music. Nothing more, nothing less. And you played it all very very well my friend.
Respect for a real musican like you are one for sure Steve.
Hope that this helps to understand what i wanted to say :)
stay tuned
joe
OK Joe I get your Zeitgeist on this, but what does EBM stand for exactly? Electronic Bitch Music? Electronic Bourgeois music, Emo Banging Mantra's...that's what I wanted clarification on.
"it is just a cool kind of disco music in my ears with a little dark hypnotic touch."
I would agree with that assessment. Demon Disco is not a widely used term, and I believe New Order would fall into that category with Blue Monday.
"Respect for a real musican like you are one for sure Steve."
Thank you Mate.
to me Disco is more complicated and simpler than the fluff pop garbage we got served on pop radio from 1977-1980. There is T.S.O.P. filled with strings. Funk-Disco (White Cherry), Giorgio Moroder's electronic early Trance. rock disco fusion. Early House music. But the one thing in common with all those tracks and genres was a simple 4/4 beat at around 120bpm, that is all you need to be considered disco.
Bee Gee's were incredible songwriters and melody creators. For a period they still wrote great songs but just added the 4/4 beat. I heard Adam Lambert do a version of more than a woman, but in a broken down acoustic style that was incredible. why...the underlying song and melody is good.
Cru54
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Cru
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I must be insane... how did you know it? :-)
Hope all is well...
Ciao, Domenico
Steve
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Really slick production here bro. Totally dig your keyboard work, nice BIG wall of sound and the funky fills are a cool contrasting element to the orchestration. Very dynamic and suspenseful sounding track.
Great job. I dig it.
I am glad U enjoyed it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hic-dnps6MU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYP6F3gX68Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6QGP0OUaV4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tWyIug2qP0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA27aQZCQMk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib4-Lyxxyw0
All those songs contributed to the synthesis of this one. Thomas Dolby.. love his work. Hyperactive, and Close but no cigar are two of my fav songs from him.
nice comment my friend.
Crugracious
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Sounds a bit like a EBM sort of Disco (in my ears and or mind)
But thats a real nice thing!
I like this sound that sounds like someone should say -dis-co-thek- and that makes this track kind of hypnotic in a way. Nice speed, it's a bit a driving groove and stays a little in mind after hearing.
Did you play it all by yourself?
The mix is well sounding and the solo is in a cool wild style.
This is a sort of disco i realy can enjoy.
Well made
stay tuned
joe
" EBM sort of Disco " please explain EBM to me?
This is played entirely by myself. String stabs, guitar sounds, percussion, bass line. All me on this one.
I was going for a Demon Disco sound.
Cruditeck
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Compliments_____Orlando
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