Initially I had been ok, good drum rythm and loop, but then it got complicated and the vocals came in with some of those "dubstep" sounds. Very nice and quick paced
Hey, thank you for listening and leaving a comment! To be honest I've realized that I have no idea what makes a sound dubsteppy any more. I know there is wobble basses (none in this song), and half time drum stuff (not really here either)... so beyond that I guess I can just say that I'm happy if it sounds like something you enjoy. The quick pace was definitely intended, and those drum loops from members really helped out. Thank you again!
Thanks again for your reply. I entirely agree with all what you are saing.
Commenting of looperman stuff require a certain amount of perceptional stylistic 'filter', needless to say. Maybe that funkastic's loop reminded me of something that sounded strange in that specific context of the arrangement of your song... That may be a reason for my negative reaction. Also I found myself listening to your stuff in different times and some time I really liked it. The other day I hated it.
I am truly impressed by your work anyway. It is a kind of an ultimate 'complete musician' dream: constructing your own instruments, composing music, arranging, singing, playing instruments and releasing complete albums. What more is needed? I am using this site for so called self development too.
Personally I do not believe in getting very useful 'feedback' on lm. Its all superficial and generic. Usually '...some of the sounds could use a little more EQ to crisp them up a bit, but overall, I'm liking what I'm hearing' or 'I'm loving it!'.
Also I really believe in playing the real instruments because twaeking the daw is happening to fast to me to even realize what I am doing actually. Maybe I was listening to much to loops from this site... haha.
I'm sorry if you felt that the funktastic loop didn't fit in. I guess I just liked the groove of it. Thought about removing it after I built my own drum patterns around it, but once I got the kick and snare arranged how I wanted, I thought it still sounded good in context. This isn't the sort of thing most people want to listen to every day, that's for sure. I understand your "self development" comment, and I definitely am satisfied on that account in regards to looperman. Lately I've been trying to help others develop more than taking what I can get though. There is so much talent here, but sometimes there is a lack of technical knowledge. I've gotten some great feedback from the people around here, but at the same time, I usually consider a track finished when I upload it, so I don't take recommendations into effect until later compositions. It's always nice to hear that someone just enjoyed it, and has no constructive criticism. Thanks for the good conversation, I can always rely on you for that!
Hey thank you ER, I appreciate you taking a listen! Had both an enjoyable and painful experience creating the song. I'm happy that some people are finding it worth listening to! Thanks again!
Yo, thats a cool retro sounding one.
It has almost from all something that i listen to in the 80´s.
And it has a nice tempo.
Very wild things comes around and in a way it is like something in a minimal style. But it isnt real minimalistic, maybe more a kind of -minimal bombastic-
The vocals sounds cool to the music in the way you preform them.
Hey Joe, you've made me happy with your words yet again! 80s music has always been one of my big influences, I'm sure mostly because It was my childhood. I used to have a real bad attitude about what some of the new wave, goth and punk bands ended up doing in the mid 80s, but at this point I'm really beginning to understand where they were coming from. There was a lot of new options in music, and they were giving it a try. I think that's where I'm at right now as well. Trying new things, opening new doors, experiencing what this time has to offer musically. It was pretty painful to record these vocals, but at the same time, very healing. I like the "minimal bombastic" reference, could be a good name for a record label or something. Appreciate you taking a listen!
I'm never sure how or even if I should critique your music, it's so unique to me that I don't think I could give any reasonable input. I do like this very much though and am definitely downloading this for future listening. It's minimalistic yet very upfront and it sort of forces your attention, which I seem to struggle with when working with minimalism. The sounds all work together beautifully and are very clean so great job on the mix and master.
Hey friend, thank you for listening! No need to critique if you don't feel the inspiration to do so. It is enough that you liked it and downloaded it! I'm happy that you hear the minimal nature in here, as it really is a lot less orchestrated than my recent stuff. For some reason, when I start out with a house sort of song idea, it always ends up lending itself to a vocal track, and often inspires me to write lyrics. I really appreciate the feedback!
It started out with 'WTF' and ended with 'OMG'its complex simplicity took me back to the B52s great track its gonna be stuck in my head for quite sometime well done Lee
Hey, thank you for listening and for the kind comment! I've actually been exposing myself to the B52's a bit lately, so it makes sense, though I hadn't thought of the comparison. I do enjoy punk and new wave a lot, in fact it's where my musical roots lie primarily. Stuck in your head is good, just don't let it drive you insane! Thanks again!
In a cool way you are channelling John Foxx in some ways. I was just listening to DEVO Are me not men the other day. what a freaking great album that was. Eno produced and they pissed him off when they wouldn't listen to his suggestions for adding synths par 4 instances on the album.
Cru
Hey there! You have mentioned John Foxx before when commenting on my tracks, and I take it as a positive comparison. I really haven't listened to much for full devo albums, so you know... I do enjoy some of Eno's old work. That's very funny he wanted them to go all maximal like that! Thanks for taking a listen!
ok, so I said 'overproduced' meaning that some elements seem like they do not really work together in this song stylistically. That's just my very personal preference. So it is on the basic level of the elements of the arrangement... The vocals are very 'dry' but still they sound really fine with the short synth lines.
Truly I do not listen to electronic kind of music at all - that's may be a reason for my continuous cryptic feedback...
Thank you for the clarification. I get what you're saying, I think "overproduced" means something very different to me. On the other hand, it is in a way the sound I've been going for... that mid eighties over orchestrated new wave gone pop sort of style. Stylistically, thought, I don't understand, as the style is mine and the song is mine, only those two loops were other's work. "Electronic" is just a catch all genre, and may have put it under fusion were it not for the purists around here lately... not pointing any fingers ha ha. I've gotten the reaction about the vocals from someone else, but really the vocals are more processed than usual. Just not autotuned. The guitar in the choruses may be bothering you, as I suggest Ab major for a moment, as opposed to the rest of the songs key. Thanks again!
hi. I think it is a way too overproduced one... where's the minimal approach? ok, still there's some very interesting single elements like a vocoder work at the very beginning of your song. I really liked it. nice tribal feel when the funkastic's loops come in.
good electronic track and really good songwriting work.
Hey there, thank you for your opinion on this new track! Overproduced in what way might I ask? It's really not far off in use of effects than my other recent tracks, and there are far less channels in use than most of my recent work as well. The vocoder is not actually a vocoder, just a couple samples of my voice arranged and effected a bit... I liked the groove and technical feel to it. The funktastic loop is present right from the beginning, and through most of the track really... it helped much to develop the swing of the track. Thanks for the positive comment on the songwriting! It went from a written lyric idea to a completed song in three days. I appreciate you listening and responding!
Hi Spiv,
Liked this track: this could be a "single" from your new album. I think it has lot of potential as a "commercial" song... even if maybe this is not what you were aiming for :-)
Your voice in this track reminds me a bit (a lot?) of Jhonny Lydon's one: interesting tone with a little amount of crazyness.
Ciao, Domenico
Hey Domenico, thank you for taking a listen and being the first to comment! While you are right that "commercial" is not what I was aiming for, at the same time I feel that I did end up with a fairly listenable pop style. Comparison to John Lydon is quite acceptable to me, thank you! It was a big challenge to get the timing right when recording the vocals, both in relation to the instrumental, and in relation to actually recording it in real life. My voice was shot for most of the early takes, but this one ended up with a good dirty feel to my ears. You got the crazy part right! Thank you so much!
I am not sure what you mean, care to clarify? I think the word "Sonskta" can be translated as "concise" or something, not sure. Thank you for listening!
Hey Ocean, thank you for stopping by to listen and leave your words! That's very interesting that you mention 1984. I was never a huge fan of the book, aside from it's pop culture status... for example "big brother is watching you." That sort of thing. But looking back, I feel that the novel is much more relevant now than it was in earlier times. I really appreciate you giving some feedback!
haha just listening again to the first 14 seconds of this one (it's all solution, it's all halucination?) there's a kind of a hihat sound but with added harmonics at parts (very high, barely listenable short notes). it's really hard to come across the sound like this in the nature. so it helps me understand now what 'industrial' label means.
then I can hear processed rhythmic drum noise. filtered and looped. that's all very creative but still I can't find any reference point to say something interesting. that's 'just sounds' for me. some of them seem still operate as the 'basslines' or as 'hihats', anything goes. overall it doesn't challenge my 'musical taste' at all, do not worry. 'that's what experience is'!
The line is "It's all illusion, it's all hallucination; that's what experience is." I guess your interpretation of the high hat sound as being indicative of "industrial music" is pretty accurate. To me, white noise, and other types of random or semi-random noise are some of the most common and ignored sounds in nature. For example, take a field recording almost anywhere, chop a section of it, then stretch it down to the length of a simple waveform... play this in an endless loop, and I guarantee it will sound pretty much like random noise. Not to mention the "static" that runs through my brain on a regular basis or the deceptively "silent" background of the electrical grid which connects us all. The wind which brings the rain, and the thunder. Sounds *are* just sounds, they only become something they are not when interpreted by nerves, and ultimately a brain. Thank you again!
Thanks a lot for the reply and sorry for cryptic type of commenting btw. 'Zank' is a refference to ZankFrappa and I actually meant the dark side of one's looperman personality (Zank is not me btw). Basically I come from very 'acoustic' type of music - that may be a reason why I see all so called 'edm' or 'electronic' sequenced music in general as something different. I remember my start of 'laptop music making' journey about 2012: a friend of mine sent me his vocals and guitars recorded using shitty dictaphone and my mixing/mastering skills were very poor at a time. I was using free version of daw called Mulab with only 4 tracks per song and many other limitations for quite a long time. At some point there must be some a kind of that limited field/grid workspace anyway...
You're right, there's some difference between strictly real-time improvised/performed instrumental music and 'programmed' but you can also think about the PC and daw as an another, more advanced musical instrument/sequencer. I saw some older live performances by JMJarre the other day and that 'live' human factor is definitely lost there haha.
Listening again I find your song very 'decadent' and experimental eventhough you respect the rules of the 'traditional' 4 bar song structure etc.. You start from very first level of creating the 'very sound' which I find really inspiring but also it makes your music sound maybe too 'original' and hermetic. That's very fine - I listen to it as a pure creation not through the filter of 'musical styles' anyway!
Hey there, thank you for the replies! I understand where you are coming from regarding the "acoustic" and "electronic" sorts of music. I guess my thinking is a bit different. It is hard for me to think of any sound as anything other than a collection of vibrations (wave forms) of differing amplitudes, shapes and frequencies. For that reason, I have little problem using whatever gives me the type of sound I'm looking for; electronic, acoustic, or combinations (electroacoustic). I fully agree that a DAW is an instrument unto itself. I just got a MIDI to CV converter the other day, so now I can play my analog stuff from any of my midi keyboards, as well as sequencing full parts from the DAW. This will change things for me, as up until now it's been mostly sampling one shots and using them in the DAW as an instrument, or sampling longer loops and finding a key that works with them then building a song around that. Decadent is an appropriate word for what I've been doing lately. Happy that you can listen beyond musical styles, and appreciate it for what it is! Thanks!
Firstly I must give you props for putting the instruments together then applying them to your musical creations. That in itself is very cool. Plus you always give us something to challenge our musical tastes and likes by literally pushing the right buttons and taking us on a very cool musical journey.
Although electronic music isn't my favorite, I was compelled to give this a few listens and let it all soak in. I must say I was totally entertained. I don't think I could listen to an entire album of this but it sure makes the day a whole lot more interesting. Thanks for stepping outside the box, as usual!
Hey Wayne, thank you for taking a few listens to this track! I'm happy that you were entertained by this! I've been changing how I do things lately, and I expect more changes forthcoming. It's good to have along for the ride. Been trying to ignore "musical tastes and likes" for the moment, and have been more concerned with expressing and challenging myself. I'm finding it really difficult to enjoy virtual synthesizers anymore, and it shows in a song like this. I realized this even more when I got my MIDI to CV converter a couple days ago and was tuning it up to my modular. Playing a simple sin wave simultaneously on a software synth and the modular with my midi controller, it was just sad the difference. The lack of character in the software was just disappointing. I'm sure you know what I mean there. I understand not being into a whole album like this of course. I don't think that I have a target audience anymore, either someone likes a song or not despite their usual listening preferences, and if someone actually listens to my albums, then all the better... that really is my ultimate goal is to release full albums to be heard in their entirety. I really appreciate your feedback!
Hi Spiv,
So good to hear something "made from you" ... and this time in all senses!
It is funny how "pop" is this song: I think this is one of your "easiest" tracks, it is really musical and "pleasant" while reading your description (and knowing you) I was expecting something more "extreme".
Of course, the sounds you used can be defined "harsh" but once put in your mix they get very enjoyable.
Liked it.
Liked it a lot.
Ciao, Domenico
For some reason, I thought that I had replied to this comment already. I must have been just thinking about your words a lot since you posted this. I'm actually pretty pleased that you found it somewhat pop, as I don't think most people would agree. I think mostly I've just been getting a more trained ear, as well as trying new things each time I bring a song to completion. I really appreciate harsh sounds in a clear sounding final product. Thank you so much for the feedback!
ha ha, yeah, you got the message that's for sure! Kind of though about moshing when making this one (or slam dancing if that's your preference). Was picturing a giant dirty circle pit. Thanks for the comment! Smash the system while you're at it!
I guess I'm not sure what is meant by "This should sound like noise". In the end, it ended up sounding exactly like I wanted it too. Literal "noise" is incorporated into so many genres now, including pop music, and people instantly accept it as an instrument. Don't know why this song would be any different. I appreciate the compliment though. I only use industrial as a genre because it is the only place this will fit. When it's sounds that people don't usually hear, you are limited in genres. Thank you for the interesting comment!
it is all illusion... when we uncover this fact is when the fun begins...
very dance-able... yes I did dance to it!
need the lyrics desperately!
it triggered my mania later & I had to take a chill pill & a few tokes
thanks for this fun music
Hey there Mr Being! Good to help you dance for a while! Sorry about the mania effect, I guess I channelled mine into this song a bit. The lyrics are in the "song lyrics" tab right below the song description here. The ones that are not typed in are a mystery even to me! Hope you are well! Thank you for the comment!
This is way more top heavy then my hihat...LOL
You just pulling my leg or something, with any volume
this will send you to the Ear Doctor...Just joking...haha...
Truly with all the distorted harmonics, it's really not
something I would play in my car or at home...It's just
not where my head is, or has it ever been with this style...
Honestly...But you've put it together in a cool way, it's not
easy to organize such confusion into something Musical...
It's your thing man, do it like you like it...
Hello, and thank you for checking out this track! You are right, the high hats are stronger than many of my tracks, but in relation to the balance of high and low frequencies, they are fairly low in the mix. You can kind of tell at the beginning when there is only high hats, then everything else comes in, and it's all much louder and focused on different frequencies. It was quite a strain on the ears getting the mix and master how I wanted, so I understand. This is quite different from the things that you write, so I wouldn't expect you to listen to it much. I appreciate you listening regardless of the pain it may have caused!
Hey there. Checked out that video, and while I appreciate the comparison, I don't really think it sounds much like this song. I did enjoy hearing/watching it, and played it for my wife last night. Looks like it would've been a fun video shoot to be at! Thanks for the comment!
Loved this spivkurl,
LivingInSilence would love this too I'm sure because he loves making his own instruments and you do a fantastic job of that here. Thanks for the inspiration and keep up the good work!
Hey, thanks for the feedback! I guess I didn't realize LivingInSilence was building instruments, I'll have to look into that! Happy that you enjoyed listening to this. Appreciate it!
yes, I noticed that the waveform of your track is so similar to the actual StaticNomad's chillout stuff. I just read very closely your comments on his track and tried to figured out the very essence... I know it's very crazy. haha. It is far too much to take at once. I can't give you any constructive advices because somehow I find your very sound as an 'ultimate' sound - considering that all this sounds were generated using your own synths. Constructing a perfect instrument is also an ultimate goal when seeking for a perfect performance for sure!
I do not feel any connection to the lyrics of your song though.
Ultimately it is a very basic acoustic/electronic battle.
Or maybe it's only a 'Zank in me'.
Hey, thank you for the follow up comment! I'm guessing that the similarities in the waveform between SN and I is mostly due to the mastering, and secondly to having instruments in most frequency ranges present in the mix. Beyond that I can't say why it would be, as they are different sorts of music altogether. The "ultimate sound" comment is quite a nice one. I think that it would be far more ultimate if I could do all of this in a live/one take sort of setting, as opposed to using a DAW to compose and mix (would need about eight hands!!!)... beyond that, ultimate could be taken to another level if all of my built creations could be sustainably powered and not reliant upon batteries or mains power. There will come a time when these things are not an option, and I hope to start taking that into consideration when building things. I don't expect anyone to connect with these lyrics, as no one has lived my life... on top of that, this is really like three songs in one, at least two. Not sure about the acoustic/electronic battle reference though, or the "Zank" thing, care to elaborate? I appreciate you stopping by again!
Hey, no problem, I appreciate the feedback and that you listened! By "static's", do you mean StaticNomad? Or do you mean that it looks like static (noise)? Just curious, because that would mean two totally different things... ha ha! Thanks for the fave!
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Commenting of looperman stuff require a certain amount of perceptional stylistic 'filter', needless to say. Maybe that funkastic's loop reminded me of something that sounded strange in that specific context of the arrangement of your song... That may be a reason for my negative reaction. Also I found myself listening to your stuff in different times and some time I really liked it. The other day I hated it.
I am truly impressed by your work anyway. It is a kind of an ultimate 'complete musician' dream: constructing your own instruments, composing music, arranging, singing, playing instruments and releasing complete albums. What more is needed? I am using this site for so called self development too.
Personally I do not believe in getting very useful 'feedback' on lm. Its all superficial and generic. Usually '...some of the sounds could use a little more EQ to crisp them up a bit, but overall, I'm liking what I'm hearing' or 'I'm loving it!'.
Also I really believe in playing the real instruments because twaeking the daw is happening to fast to me to even realize what I am doing actually. Maybe I was listening to much to loops from this site... haha.
Keep up the good work. That is my only advise lol
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It has almost from all something that i listen to in the 80´s.
And it has a nice tempo.
Very wild things comes around and in a way it is like something in a minimal style. But it isnt real minimalistic, maybe more a kind of -minimal bombastic-
The vocals sounds cool to the music in the way you preform them.
Real cool one Spivkurl!
I enjoyed the listen
stay tuned
joe
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I'm never sure how or even if I should critique your music, it's so unique to me that I don't think I could give any reasonable input. I do like this very much though and am definitely downloading this for future listening. It's minimalistic yet very upfront and it sort of forces your attention, which I seem to struggle with when working with minimalism. The sounds all work together beautifully and are very clean so great job on the mix and master.
Great song! Thanks for sharing it.
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Cru
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Truly I do not listen to electronic kind of music at all - that's may be a reason for my continuous cryptic feedback...
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good electronic track and really good songwriting work.
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Liked this track: this could be a "single" from your new album. I think it has lot of potential as a "commercial" song... even if maybe this is not what you were aiming for :-)
Your voice in this track reminds me a bit (a lot?) of Jhonny Lydon's one: interesting tone with a little amount of crazyness.
Ciao, Domenico
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then I can hear processed rhythmic drum noise. filtered and looped. that's all very creative but still I can't find any reference point to say something interesting. that's 'just sounds' for me. some of them seem still operate as the 'basslines' or as 'hihats', anything goes. overall it doesn't challenge my 'musical taste' at all, do not worry. 'that's what experience is'!
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You're right, there's some difference between strictly real-time improvised/performed instrumental music and 'programmed' but you can also think about the PC and daw as an another, more advanced musical instrument/sequencer. I saw some older live performances by JMJarre the other day and that 'live' human factor is definitely lost there haha.
Listening again I find your song very 'decadent' and experimental eventhough you respect the rules of the 'traditional' 4 bar song structure etc.. You start from very first level of creating the 'very sound' which I find really inspiring but also it makes your music sound maybe too 'original' and hermetic. That's very fine - I listen to it as a pure creation not through the filter of 'musical styles' anyway!
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Although electronic music isn't my favorite, I was compelled to give this a few listens and let it all soak in. I must say I was totally entertained. I don't think I could listen to an entire album of this but it sure makes the day a whole lot more interesting. Thanks for stepping outside the box, as usual!
Wayne
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So good to hear something "made from you" ... and this time in all senses!
It is funny how "pop" is this song: I think this is one of your "easiest" tracks, it is really musical and "pleasant" while reading your description (and knowing you) I was expecting something more "extreme".
Of course, the sounds you used can be defined "harsh" but once put in your mix they get very enjoyable.
Liked it.
Liked it a lot.
Ciao, Domenico
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Thats what you do quite well- take a genre and put your own style on to it.
Well done!
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very dance-able... yes I did dance to it!
need the lyrics desperately!
it triggered my mania later & I had to take a chill pill & a few tokes
thanks for this fun music
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You just pulling my leg or something, with any volume
this will send you to the Ear Doctor...Just joking...haha...
Truly with all the distorted harmonics, it's really not
something I would play in my car or at home...It's just
not where my head is, or has it ever been with this style...
Honestly...But you've put it together in a cool way, it's not
easy to organize such confusion into something Musical...
It's your thing man, do it like you like it...
Peace...TG.
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LivingInSilence would love this too I'm sure because he loves making his own instruments and you do a fantastic job of that here. Thanks for the inspiration and keep up the good work!
Rico L.
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I do not feel any connection to the lyrics of your song though.
Ultimately it is a very basic acoustic/electronic battle.
Or maybe it's only a 'Zank in me'.
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sryy for spamming anyway
I fav'd