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Mahloo13

Simple is not pushing me forward
Munich, Germany
Joined : 2nd Jul 2011 - 14 years ago
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BradoSanz
BradoSanz 1st Dec 2016 23:50 - 8 years ago

on Butterfly Effect - An Ultra Violet Apology by Mahloo13
I compared this one to mine, and I must say that yours is quite superior, particularly on low-quality sound systems. I compared on my phone and everything sits perfectly. I admire that. I must ask what you did to get the drum to sound so stable and thick?

Brado
Mahloo13
Mahloo13 replied 2nd Dec 2016 - 8 years ago
Hey Brado,

That was one of the things I wanted people to realize, that when you are mixing a record you are not solely mixing it for your environment or for your monitoring system and that mix needs to translate well on everything.

Nowadays people listen more and more on earbuds, laptop speakers, portable speakers, phones, tablets etc. so it's really essential to get a balance that works on everything. How you do that? well...you listen, listen on multiple playback sources, use reference tracks etc., of course after a while experience kicks in and you basically know without crossreferencing if it sounds good everywhere. A good way to set balances (at least for me) is to monitor at really low volumes as that clearly evidentiates to me atleast what stands out and what doesn't.

As for the drums sound, I almost always add samples, even if they are really low in volume. I might add a kick sample that has more low end and one that has a nice midrange and some top and blend those with the original then buss those to an aux and eq them overall as one piece so basically I'm using the samples as EQ. The same goes for snare although I trigger just one sample which is really close tone wise to the original snare and use that to emphazise lows and highs and trigger a reverb, that way I get a clean reverb sound without all the spill. Sometimes if the drums are clean enough I'll get my samples from the actual tracks.

A lot of my sound comes from my EQ curves, I tend to boost a lot in the low end and the high end to get a really hyped EQ curve (the smiley face curve if you wish to call it that) and then compress and use another EQ to round off any edges.

The biggest secret is automation though. I use a lot of automation especially in the overheads and the toms and the room tracks. Recently I've started using parallel compression as well so during the chorus I'll unmute the paralllel compressed track for more punch...or I just duplicate the kick track for example and use the second track as a parallel track just for volume.

Sounds complicated but the secret is really in riding those faders and making everything exciting and dynamic.

Cheers!
Tumbleweed
Tumbleweed 1st Dec 2016 22:27 - 8 years ago

on Butterfly Effect - An Ultra Violet Apology by Mahloo13
Well, being a bit of a guitar addict for life you gotta know I`m loving this one...great tone and the kind of playing style that wraps itself around the vocal perfectly...nothing overstated...just the eloquent bits...I`m admiring the tones, levels & placement...and not to understate the vocal...some voices just fit the music like it was meant to be....like this one. I think the production really evidences some of the comments/advice you have made in the past Malu...particularly the concept of compression steps, with each designed to be in a particular place for a specific purpose rather than nailing the entire mix to manage levels....superb bit of work...and its a great song...the kind of melodic slow rock I could listen to for a very long time......Cheers...Ed
Mahloo13
Mahloo13 replied 2nd Dec 2016 - 8 years ago
Thank you Ed!

I also love guitar and guitar tone and I could probably spend days just recreating diferent amp tones. An amazing instrument!

There are definitely some cool tricks one can do with compressors especially if each is used for a specific purpose. Compressors are really hated on cause a lot of people missunderstood the concept behind the loudness wars and have since thought of compressors as something that's a no no when it comes to mixing. Compressing even overcompressing can yield interesting results and sonic characters. It comes down to experimentation really.

Thank you once again for the great review!
theHumps
theHumps 30th Nov 2016 12:53 - 8 years ago

on Butterfly Effect - An Ultra Violet Apology by Mahloo13
First off, it's very generous to post the stems for mixing practice. Thanks! Cool track, rock is such an awesomely diverse genre that a cool slower paced song can still have balls.

The song doesn't sound over processed or too loud, I'm impressed for sure. Interesting how you processed the vocals. I use only stock compressors in Ableton and I notice how my songs compare to more professional mixes by not having more quality compressors. Or it could be mixing with my old ears, lol.

I'll check out the tut for sure. Appreciate you posting them as they help put new ideas in my head.

Cheers
Mahloo13
Mahloo13 replied 30th Nov 2016 - 8 years ago
Hello Wayne!

The choice of compressors is irrelevant..as I've said many times the emulations just provide a certain vibe and allow me to get results faster as I already know what they deliver so it's easy to just reach for a certain vibe. You can pretty much get the same results with stock plugins, it's all a matter of getting to properly use attack, release and threshold controls on any given compressor.

For example to replicate this particular scenario you could ride the level of the vocals going into your stock compressor which would have a 3:1 or 2:1 ratio a slow attack and pretty fast release, while the second compressor would have a 4:1 ratio with a medium attack and a fast release and the third would be something like 2:1 for ratio and slow attack and medium release. Again you would have to listen in context and see how the compressors react from word to word and how they muffle or brighten the sound, it's all in the ears honestly.

I've always said it...it's not the gear that mixes the song...it's the engineer.

Thank you for the review!
BradoSanz
BradoSanz 30th Nov 2016 02:40 - 8 years ago

on Butterfly Effect - An Ultra Violet Apology by Mahloo13
This is awesome! Definitely will be checking out the tutorial. Beautiful work here,

Brado
Mahloo13
Mahloo13 replied 30th Nov 2016 - 8 years ago
Thank you Brado!
PortraitOfABlackHole
Sounds fantastic, mixdown sounds great, as i spend a lot of my times these days trying to learn how to mix, I'm particularly observant of it in what i listen to. However im not sure I agree with some of the vocal delivery, some of it feels out of time, almost as if the singer tried to cram more syllables into a bar then they had room for, but thats got nothing to do with the mix here.

Radio ready sound for sure.
cheers.
WaveologyBand
WaveologyBand 21st Nov 2016 02:10 - 8 years ago

on Mayday Parade - When You See My Friends Cover by Mahloo13
Great powerful sound and composition. Thanks for sharing it. Faved.
Planetjazzbass
Planetjazzbass 13th Oct 2016 08:54 - 8 years ago

on Mayday Parade - When You See My Friends Cover by Mahloo13
Awesome explanation man, sorry to use the review section for replying, in future I'll contact you privately if I have a query...I think the reason why I have (obviously misplaced) outboard bias is because..well damn there's no way around it, I'm a dinosaur from the 20th century! lol...great sounding mix again Mahloo and it only took you a couple of hours!
Mahloo13
Mahloo13 replied 13th Oct 2016 - 8 years ago
I love outboard as well. But yeah the thing is without having a full setup of outboard gear your kinda opening a can of worms as you''ll want to run everything through the gear and that may result in sending each track individually to the eq in this example and then record it again in the daw so that you have the eq-ed version :)) been there done that and it's just time consuming. Not to mention capacitators going out more often than a teenager hits the pubs :))
BradoSanz
BradoSanz 13th Oct 2016 07:21 - 8 years ago

on Mayday Parade - When You See My Friends Cover by Mahloo13
This sounds good, but I can notice the age of the song :) I am still trying to get rock stuff down and this just keeps me inspired.

Brado
Mahloo13
Mahloo13 replied 13th Oct 2016 - 8 years ago
Thanks Brado! I do have the processed and clean files as well as pictures with the settings used available for download so if you want them let me know. There really isn't much going on in terms of processing as effects like delay, reverb and harmonizers make all the hard work. :)
Planetjazzbass
Planetjazzbass 13th Oct 2016 03:58 - 8 years ago

on Mayday Parade - When You See My Friends Cover by Mahloo13
Hey Mahloo..sounds bloody good mate! though I personally find the vocal style and delivery very generic and not to my taste (this is in no way a reflection on you obviously) it is sitting superbly in the mix and the instrumentation is a balanced lesson in how an arrangement should sound at it's first inception and presentation to the people that played it with the view to discussion and final tweaking...Ok while I'm here I might as well slip in a question in regards to outboard equalisation, occasionally I feel the necessity to give keyboards and guitars a slight top end nudge within a mix and I'd prefer to do it with hardware, what would you recommend?..... please nothing astronomically priced! lol
I never get sick of listing to a pro at work!...cheers Dave
Mahloo13
Mahloo13 replied 13th Oct 2016 - 8 years ago
Thank you for the review!

As for equalization...I wouldn't necesarily advise you to go outboard unless you are working with great converters as you'll be basically running audio through your converters twice, once when you record and the second time when you send the audio to the eq and back into the daw. It will also make it mandatory to calibrate your levels going out of the daw. Software eq is perfectly fine honestly (more and more engineers are moving towards mixing totally in the box nowadays). Gear presents the ability to move really fast as everything is patched in but also introduces some issues, if you combine out of the box mixing with in the box mixing then you'll also have to take into account the latency that each piece of gear introduces. In the studio we have everything conected through a patchbay and each hardware insert stays on the same insert always so it's pretty easy to set up the delay compensation for each hardware insert so basically we don't have to do it always. Software eq is just fine believe me. I personally use a SSL channel strip plugin for most of things in a mix as I know the hardware as well and it's really easy to get it to do what I want. So all in all I'd say...save your money for something else :))

Great question by the way! If you've got any questions or would like to further discuss this/similar matters feel free to contact me!
MGproduct
MGproduct 10th Oct 2016 03:52 - 8 years ago

on Mayday Parade - When You See My Friends Cover by Mahloo13
Oh , very nice man... love the way you came to create it ;)
Mahloo13
Mahloo13 replied 10th Oct 2016 - 8 years ago
Thank you!
KyleCarpetner
KyleCarpetner 9th Oct 2016 23:18 - 8 years ago

on KSE - Arms of sorrow COVER Ruff mix by Mahloo13
Did you do the recording of instruments on this track as well or just Mix??? It all sounds incredible regardless. Just curious.. For if you did it all .. your in trouble...lol... cause Im gonna bug the heck out of ya .. until I can achieve the same sound...lol... j/k... incredible song, mix, recording... ill be paying a lot of attention to your stuff.. thanks...=O)
Mahloo13
Mahloo13 replied 9th Oct 2016 - 8 years ago
Well the files came as Midi drums, and DI tracks for the guitars. So basically I used the midi to trigger drum software with custom kits (I create my custom kits from samples and layer different sounds to get the tone I want).

As for the Guitars...I use Amplitube, PodFarm and cabinet impulses or if available I send the di signal to a real amp and cabinet and record it with a combination of microphones, I really like the SM57 placed about an inch from the cloth of the cab and between the cap center and cap edge of the speaker and the second mic would be the MD421 at the cap edge placed of axis at the same distance as the fist mic. This gives a nice warm midrange and works really well with any kind of setup.

Easy really....if you do it all day :))
CONEYISLANDRECORDS
I feel like ive heard this song before. I listen to alot of bands similar to this. Very in line with the norm for this style. That being said I think it would def compete in that market. Im looking forward to seeing the mixing notes :) I have a bunch of track in this style that I cannot for the life of me get my head wrapped around a solid mix for em.
Mahloo13
Mahloo13 replied 9th Oct 2016 - 8 years ago
Hey thanks for the review!

The mix notes won't be anything fancy. Just a bit of EQ, compression and reverbs, delays. Working on arranging the files as we speak!

Feel free to ask if you've got questions!
Burtsbluesboxes
Burtsbluesboxes 7th Oct 2016 05:54 - 8 years ago

on EW Playaround by Mahloo13
Simple can be very powerful! Is that you singing? Love the ethereal sound of world music, makes for for some fkn awesome metal too! I like loading my player up with bands like the moon and the night spirit, faun, mari boine, there's a there's a middle eastern one I like, can't think of their name. So many flavors so much inspiration to be had! Check these guys out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZUii7K_QTU I love finding old compositions and going arrgh what hell was I thinking LOL! or wow I need to finish this with all my new knowledge.
Tumbleweed
Tumbleweed 7th Oct 2016 03:45 - 8 years ago

on EW Playaround by Mahloo13
Tracks like this make me glad I didn`t get stuck (as most of my bandmates and their generation did) it the musical groove we spent our youths in...there is just so much good music all over this planet...I find it a pleasure to set my own limitations aside and just listen to, and admire the feelings conveyed by this kind of music...thanks for posting this one Mahloo...damn...I enjoyed it a lot.....cheers...Ed
crucethus
crucethus 6th Oct 2016 01:17 - 8 years ago

on EW Playaround by Mahloo13
Awesome, those vocals are so clear. Sort of a Michael Cretu like sound you created. really good.
Steve
Planetjazzbass
Planetjazzbass 1st Oct 2016 01:03 - 8 years ago

on EW Playaround by Mahloo13
Hey Mahloo, nice work man (listening on a pair of Grado RS2's and the mix sounds great!)...I've always been into Middle Eastern and World music and the plethora of instruments which that implies. I can listen to material like this all day especially those Duduk lines, it's nasally ethereal quality always blows my mind...you never cease to impress with your professional acumen, the Loop is lucky to have you around!...cheers Dave
Mahloo13
Mahloo13 replied 1st Oct 2016 - 8 years ago
Believe it or not but I also love Middle Eastern and wolrd instruments. I've actually had the pleasure of working with talented people from all over the world and it never ceases to amaze me how a couple of notes played where they don't belong can define a sound and create a distinct and recognizable sonic image.

The duduk I absolutely love and having listened to the real thing it just blew my mind. It's one of those instruments that just needs a bit of reverb and delay and it sounds incredible. Works great on dark tunes.

There isn't really a mix here, it was just a reverb and everything went to tape through a neve console. It wasn't supposed to get printed but in the end i'm glad someone didn't pay attention to what they are printing.

Thank you for the review!
redeemerstudios
redeemerstudios 30th Sep 2016 04:18 - 8 years ago

on EW Playaround by Mahloo13
Pretty good man! Video/Big Screen worthy!!!!
Mahloo13
Mahloo13 replied 1st Oct 2016 - 8 years ago
Thank you. It didn't make it's way to the big screens but it sure ended on the loop.
BradoSanz
BradoSanz 30th Sep 2016 01:51 - 8 years ago

on EW Playaround by Mahloo13
Well, that was different than I expected lol. Still better than 90 percent of orchestral producers on the loop haha. Good stuff, pleasant listen. As always!

Brado
Mahloo13
Mahloo13 replied 1st Oct 2016 - 8 years ago
Did you expect heavy guitars and stuff? :))

Believe it or not I do work a lot with orchestra stuff as a matter of fact we are scoring an orchestral piece as we speak :D

I did a lot of stuff in chillout, symphonic, orchestra and movie scoes in the past. It's allways a pleasure.
BradoSanz
BradoSanz 8th Sep 2016 04:15 - 8 years ago

on KSE - Arms of sorrow COVER Ruff mix by Mahloo13
As to your guitar recording technique, do you mic them or use an emulator like - say, the Mesa CabClone, for instance? Do you use different amps for each side or the same? How do you EQ them, generally speaking, for the song as a whole?

Brado
Mahloo13
Mahloo13 replied 8th Sep 2016 - 8 years ago
I prefer to mic them but if not then it's no problem I'll just reamp them in the DAW. I use Line 6 software and Amplitube with RedWirez Cabinet Impulses quite often but most of the time I just receive great files to start with.

For EQ it really depends on the genre, in this particular style of music I tend to do a lot of really narrow cuts at problematic frequencies like 4kHz, 5kHz, 700Hz etc. and shape the overall tone. I also might use de-essers on guitars to get rid of any harsh frequencies and multiband compressors to tame the low mids.

In general a bit of EQ does a lot to the sound.

If they sound good to begin with and I don't need to fix anything, I'll probably add some 8kHz to brighten them up and make them a bit more fizzy I guess.
BradoSanz
BradoSanz 7th Sep 2016 20:58 - 8 years ago

on KSE - Arms of sorrow COVER Ruff mix by Mahloo13
Are those guitars double-tracked? or do you use a stereo enhancer of some sort? I have so many questions, I have no idea where to start haha.
Mahloo13
Mahloo13 replied 7th Sep 2016 - 8 years ago
Yes they are, meaning there was one guitar recorded for the left and one for the right.

I've never used stereo enhancers on this type of guitars. You can get them as wide as you want by proper balance.

If the guitars are properly edited they will sound amazing.
swindla007
swindla007 7th Sep 2016 18:52 - 8 years ago

on KSE - Arms of sorrow COVER Ruff mix by Mahloo13
This track rocks, sorry i have nothing technical to say, i just really like the track by kse and by you.
Mahloo13
Mahloo13 replied 7th Sep 2016 - 8 years ago
Thank you! One of my favourite songs from them!
BradoSanz
BradoSanz 6th Sep 2016 23:56 - 8 years ago

on KSE - Arms of sorrow COVER Ruff mix by Mahloo13
Your vocal processing is flawless! I've been trying to achieve that electric guitar sound and balance you've nailed here and have yet to do it - it's always out of reach and I'm not knowledgeable enough to figure out why. I hope you'll be able to release a tutorial soon so I can see what your process is for getting this awesome sound! Great work as always!

Brado
Mahloo13
Mahloo13 replied 7th Sep 2016 - 8 years ago
The answer to the guitar balance is...it should be lower in volume than you think :)

As for the vocal, as I've said....just Reverb, Stereo delay, and tape delay (slap delay)

-Malu-
crucethus
crucethus 18th Jun 2016 07:45 - 9 years ago

on KSE - Arms of sorrow COVER Ruff mix by Mahloo13
Honestly, the vocal work on this cover is so much better than the original. Great job covering this tune and giving it a euro-power metal bent to it. my only slight complaint is that the groove of this song is ever so slightly less than the original. But great job on the cover!
Cru
BradoSanz
BradoSanz 9th Jun 2016 10:29 - 9 years ago

on Full track for the upcoming tutorial by Mahloo13
When are we to expect a tutorial? I've been eagerly awaiting a video from you for this song because I love the quality, even while unmixed.

Brado
theHumps
theHumps 8th Jun 2016 13:36 - 9 years ago

on Full track for the upcoming tutorial by Mahloo13
I do like the song, commercial rock sounding track and it has a lot going for it. Singer has a great voice.

I've been wondering how much to push the limiter gain on the master channel. Using Ableton, in the mastering plugin I use, it has a limiter. I notice by turning up the level on the limiter gain will push my nice mix louder but at the same time losing some of the tracks dynamics.

I know this isn't finished but how much do you push the limiter? Is it more just feeling out the track and push the gain depending on the type of music it is or is there a certain "standard" level where dynamics lose out and loudness wins?

Wayne
Mahloo13
Mahloo13 replied 7th Sep 2016 - 8 years ago
Hey,

Sorry for getting back so late at you, for some reason I didn't receive any notifications about the coments.

Yes there is a standard for commercial releases regarding loudness.It depends on the genre of music or if it's for television then it's a totally different standard.

As for how much I push my limiter during mastering...well it depends. I don't limit more than 2 dB's. So basically I get 2dB's of reduction on my final limiter.

You could add a transient designer right before the limiter and it will bring back some snap into the mix.

One of the main problems with mixes that lose life when you throw a limiter is that they are not properly balanced and the limiter triggers all the time on transients thus killing your mix. Don't be afraid to rebalance once you put the limiter there, you do have that luxury. :)
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