How To Make Quality Loops And Samples To Upload And Share On Looperman

Posted by Looperman on 2012-05-19 in Tutorials97 Comments109605 Views
How To Make Quality Loops And Samples To Upload And Share On Looperman

I thought it would make sense to create an article to fully explain how to make loops ready to upload and share on looperman. There are plenty of common mistakes that people make when submitting loops and the majority of them are simple errors.

If you are planning on sharing loops here make sure you read and understand everything written here before uploading so that your loops dont get rejected and removed.

Some of the things I say here might seem obvious, overly fussy or pointless but you would be surprised at the types of things people upload or the things they get confused with.

How do I upload loops, I'm not allowed

Before you can upload loops your account needs to be updated to give you uploading privileges. By default we block everyone from uploading to ensure the quality of uploads is maintained and we dont end up with a load of junk.

Before you get in touch you will need to have done a few things .....

Once that's all done you'll find the link to contact me is at the bottom of this article.

Copyright, is this 100 % your own work ?

The whole idea of uploading loops to looperman.com is that other people can use them royalty free. We are not interested in loops taken from commercially released tracks, from loop packs either from online loop sites or loops that come bundled with your software.

The basic rule here is - If you did not create the loop 100% yourself dont upload it !

Taking a sample and running it through some filters, chopping it up and rearranging it does NOT make it your own work. Recording yourself playing the guitar, keyboards, drums etc is your own work and so is good.

Taking a file you think is royalty free from somewhere else and then uploading it here is not your own work and will see you banned. The same goes for taking files from sample packs. There are hundreds of thousands of users who will see your uploads and if its not your own work you WILL be found out, reported and banned from the site. 

Uploading anything that has copyright problems will see your account suspended from the site and could even land you in legal trouble with the copyright owner. Its essential for you to understand the terms and conditions you agree to when using looperman.com.

If you're unsure dont upload.

Loops must be seamless, with no gaps at the start or end

One of the most common reasons for loops being rejected is the fact that the files do not even loop. Yes it may sound crazy but it happens every day. Just because something sounds good in FLStudio or whatever DAW you are using does not mean it loops properly as a file on its own.

The main reasons that loops end up with gaps at the start or the end is that you did not select the correct settings when exporting from your DAW and so the output file includes a tail containing the delay or reverb. Search Google for how to export seamless loops in your particular DAW.

Loops must be seamless, with no clicks or pops at the start or end

Another common problem is loops that have not been edited so that the loop without any clicks or pops. This happens when you the end and the start of the loop have different levels etc. Its easy to fix by simply fading the very last and first moment of the loop to zero. An example of where this would cause an obvious problem is a pad loop where the sound is constant throughout. Play your file in a Wav editor and you ll know if there is a problem.

IMPORTANT !!! use the correct export settings

The vast majority of problems could be avoided if you follow the notes in this thread. http://www.looperman.com/forum/thread/181213/exporting-seamless-loops-from-fruity-loops-fl-studio. If you dont export files properly they wont work and will be rejected.

Dont mix or layer different sounds / instruments

Another common mistake is that someone will upload for example a piano loop that has drums in the background. By merging sounds you have just made your loop far less useful to others. What happens if I love the piano sound but dont need the drums ? Your loop is no longer of any use. Another example might be, I love your loop but want a section in my track with just the piano. Again, its impossible to remove the drums so your loop is no good for me.

We all write loops that are meant to work together and this is the point but just dont save them out together. If you create a loop that has drums, bass, piano and guitar save each instrument out on their own and upload them separately.

Save your loops as 16bit 44hz WAV files

At the moment we only accept loops that are saved as 44Hz 16 bit Wav files. Saving your loops at other bit rates or sample rates will make them sound wrong after they are converted during the upload. In some cases this will cause the mp3 preview we create not work and your loop will be rejected.

How many bars should the loop be

Loops must be a set number of bars. By that I mean dont upload a file that is 3 bars when it should be 4. Loops are meant as building blocks and so they should all be of an equal or relative number of bars. Your 3 bar loop will not work with everyone elses 4 bar loops and so will be rejected. If you dont understand the concept or bars and measures in music then you should research this before trying to make loops as its essential for this to be done right.

If your file repeats after 4 bars then stick with 4 bars. To be fair always try and keep to 4 bars as the loops are easier for other to work with that way.

What tempo should I use

The tempo of your loop is up to you but there are a few things you should take into account when setting the tempo. Firstly keep loops to whole digit tempos. Dont use something like 122.56 bpm but instead record the loop at 120bpm. The other thing to think about is if your loop works at 100bpm dont upload it as 200bpm.

The reason I say keep the tempo to round numbers is that people will search for loops at set tempos and want to use them together with as little editing as possible. Do a search for loops already uploaded and take note of the common tempos used for certain styles and stick to those.

Pay attention to volume level or gain

Make sure you keep an eye on the overall volume level of your loops. Loops that are too quiet or too loud are not much use to people and tend to loose overall quality. You dont need to master loops as you would a track but at least make sure your loops volume levels are balanced.

Give your loops a good name

I know its hard to come up with names for every loop you create so just try and be descriptive when choosing a name. We reject any that are called loop1, loop2 etc . Loops with titles containing swearing will also be rejected. Remember people will find your loops by searching for things and our search is based on your title and description.

Give your loops a good description

The same applies here. It might be tedious to describe each of your loops but it means they get used more and make it easier for people to find them. In your description you could mentioned what you used to create the loop, the feel of it, the speed, is it fast, slow, mellow, crazy, happy, sad.

Dont use the description area to post links to your profile, facebook page, twitter account, try and sell things or anything other then describe the loop. Any files that do this are blocked and you no longer have access to upload. Loops with descriptions containing swearing will also be rejected.

Dont ask people to 'credit' you in any way for using your loops

When you upload a loop please dont expect or demand anything in return. The terms of the site are clear and you cant choose to set your own. It might sound harsh but it is meant as a way to keep things clear for anyone downloading files.

People often have loops rejected as they use the description area to request that people add a name to the title of their track if a loop is used. Apart from making people think there are some type of strings attached to using a file it makes no sense at all. Imagine someone who makes a track uses 10 different loops. The title of the track would be longer then the song.

What is acceptable though is to maybe ask that people leave a comment or a link to any tracks they make using your loop. For the most part this is how things already work and its a win win. You both get feedback and everyone is happy. 

Put them in the correct genre and category

Again this should be a simple thing but so many get uploaded to the wrong place. Think about people searching for your loop and not what you created it for. Just because you love Hip Hop does not mean the loop you created is best placed in that genre. The same goes for the category, have a look at the options and choose the best one.

When a bass loop is NOT a bass loop

This might sound an odd one but think of this as the person who is searching for a bass loop. Random sounds made with Massive or similar plugins are not bass loops. A bass loop is made by a bass guitar etc and would form the bass melody of a tune. Since genres such as dubstep have arrived we have been overwhelmed with loops to the bass category that should not be there. You could argue that they are bass drops, bass synths, wobbles, growls or whatever and so I added a bass wobble category. Please save me the bother of moving them every day and do NOT add these types of loops to the bass category.

Here is a good thread that explains this in more detail.

http://www.looperman.com/forum/thread/182172/new-feature-bass-guitar-and-bass-synth-loop-categories-added 

Keyboards are not guitars

By this I mean that just because you have a patch on your synth called guitar it does not mean that you have made a guitar loop. Where possible avoid uploading loops like this. Obviously these days you can create any sound using VSTis so use your judgement. Its far better to have a guitar loop played on a guitar then it is to have a synthesised version.

Is it worth uploading ? Do we have plenty already

At the time of writing this there are over 30,000 loops uploaded. Its also worth asking the question is the loop I'm about to upload needed or worth uploading. Try and create loops that are a little different. Loops that are played with real instruments are always popular as apposed to holding down one key on a synth and recording the output.

For example, there are only so many versions of a four to the floor style kick drum loop or a basic kick kick snare hip hop loop. Another example these days would be a dubstep wobble bass loop. Its getting to the stage where anyone with the right VST can create a completely random sound and then upload them. We really dont need 1000s of ultra random noises just for the sake of it. Make sounds that are interesting and useful.

Always check loops in a wav editor before uploading

You should always use a standalone Wave Editor / Audio File Editor to check your loops before uploading them. If you do this it will become obvious right away if your file loops properly or not or if the the levels are too high or low.

If you dont have a Wave Editor go download Audacity. Its totally free and available for Windows. Mac or Linux. Once installed load your file and hit shift & play. The file will now play in a loop and you'll be able to spot any gaps at the start of the end of the file and hear and clicks or pops where the files loops. Until your file loops perfectly DONT upload it.

Ill write another article soon that deals with how to edit files to make them loop better.

How do I decide which loops to reject and how do I know

The tips I've already listed here in this article should keep you from having loops rejected already but as people still seem to get things wrong I wrote a post on how I check uploads and what I look out for.

Please take a moment to read this thread too and you may well save us both some time by recognisinig the problems I see every day and fixing them before I spot them. 

http://www.looperman.com/forum/thread/182212/simple-ways-to-check-if-your-loops-will-be-rejected

OK, I've read it all and I'm ready to upload

Good stuff, hopefully that has just saved us both some time by avoiding all the problems people have when submitting loops. If you are happy you know what you are doing click here to contact me direct and let me know you have read this article and that your ready to upload loops. If you dont tell me you have read this and understood it all ill only send you a reply telling you to read anyway.

Let me know if I missed anything

If I missed anything out leave a comment and Ill update this article as we go along.

Useful tools for editing your loops

There are a number of great Wave Editors / Audio Editing Tools out there to help you get your loops perfect. Ill list a few of the Free ones here and put another article together soon that will list more.

Audacity (Mac/PC/Linux) : http://audacity.sourceforge.net/

Free Audio Editor (Win) : http://free-audio-editor.com/

Wavosaur (Win / Mac) : http://www.wavosaur.com/

Comments 1 - 50 of 97
  1. DJEmorpheus
    DJEmorpheus on Tue 29th May 2012 - 6 years ago

    what about uploading tracks? is there a previous article dedicated to uploading tracks? i've tried uploading a track before and i kept getting errors.

    it was formated as follows

    it had an original name
    i put a brief description
    it was 44Hz 16 bit mp3 (i also tried it as a .wav)
    there were no long periods of silence and it was only about 4 minutes

  2. Mahloo13
    Mahloo13 on Tue 29th May 2012 - 6 years ago

    How big was it? It's size in mb...

  3. BlacCessEnt
    BlacCessEnt on Sun 3rd Jun 2012 - 6 years ago

    Hey Looperman, sorry I've been gone for a bit, but Im back and got some loops to share let me in my dude.... sorry can you authorize me..?

  4. POR3X
    POR3X on Thu 7th Jun 2012 - 6 years ago

    i need help ive been on this page millions of times it says something like we will send u a link but i ay had 1 well if i have could someone please tell me where it is

  5. Spivkurl
    Spivkurl on Thu 7th Jun 2012 - 6 years ago

    Thanks for the link to Audacity! I've heard good things about this program!

  6. juttumoose
    juttumoose on Sun 10th Jun 2012 - 6 years ago

    That Audacity is pretty cool program, definitely using it!

    Thanks for this Looperman!

  7. juttumoose
    juttumoose on Sun 10th Jun 2012 - 6 years ago

    And it's with Finland language!

  8. Alefante
    Alefante on Sun 17th Jun 2012 - 6 years ago

    Ok i´ll try

  9. DJEmorpheus
    DJEmorpheus on Wed 20th Jun 2012 - 6 years ago

    @Mahloo13 it was definitely less than 15 mb

  10. MINOR2GO
    MINOR2GO on Fri 22nd Jun 2012 - 6 years ago

    superb guide.

  11. Dubstacular
    Dubstacular on Wed 4th Jul 2012 - 6 years ago

    I guess we have to wait to upload loops until mr. looperman decides to wake up and read his mail.

  12. AllenV
    AllenV on Sun 8th Jul 2012 - 6 years ago

    I master everything with Audacity...it's a great free tool.

  13. danbo
    danbo on Mon 23rd Jul 2012 - 6 years ago

    Good Help for beginners.
    What could be interesting are the notions of calibrations (micro, instruments, voices, how to place the presences and the strength of the instruments) to learn how to balance the different sounds (the base of mix recording proccess).
    Maybe identifying the loops from a specific(al) grid could be easier, to define, to sort, etc,
    But here is the question : How big has it to be?
    When I can, I use grid with words, classes to define different things. It's an idea, only an idea.

  14. Looperman
    Looperman on Tue 24th Jul 2012 - 6 years ago

    @danbo, I dont follow what your saying there

  15. ammoebas
    ammoebas on Fri 27th Jul 2012 - 6 years ago

    Looperman why can not I upload samples ......

  16. ECSD
    ECSD on Sat 28th Jul 2012 - 6 years ago

    im still not able to upload any loops even after reading the artical,a few things about me and uploaded an avatar im still have trouble please help thanks

  17. darrenobrock
    darrenobrock on Sun 29th Jul 2012 - 6 years ago

    I have a few loops i made back in the day with fruity loops 404 quality nice and clear, volume hopefully right they are key board loops that were in the FL404 cut from a track i made as well. i used the audacity to cut them out and my virtual dj program to see if they looped well. where can i up load them for approval. thanks

  18. DJNASTYWAX
    DJNASTYWAX on Sun 29th Jul 2012 - 6 years ago

    I used to be able to upload stuff and have songs uploaded and now I can't how do i get granted access to continue uploading

  19. chefboydee
    chefboydee on Sun 29th Jul 2012 - 6 years ago

    @DJNASTYWAX - Same here... Ive written to the admin here at looperman, but they just told me to read this article again, & Im pretty sure that I have followed the requirements to be able to upload (once again). havent been able to upload for about a year now since they blocked me, does anyone know how to be able to start uploading again?

  20. Looperman
    Looperman on Mon 30th Jul 2012 - 6 years ago

    The article explains you need to update your profile, read this and then get in touch letting me know that you have done everything required to upload loops.

    I get emails from people who dont tell me they have read and understood the article, who have not followed the instructions or that simply say something like "yo, let me upload".

    In those cases they are referred back here and to the help section.

    The help notes and blog post were written to make things simple and obvious for everyone. its just a case of reading whats there and following the advice.

  21. JeffBock
    JeffBock on Tue 14th Aug 2012 - 6 years ago

    nice,
    i use wavosaur for edit (cool because of the vst rack), have to try audacity.
    thank you for help

  22. badboygdbeatz
    badboygdbeatz on Wed 22nd Aug 2012 - 6 years ago

    Everytime i try and upload a loop or a trak for those register users on this site to use; it says it can not upload, is this cause it's in MP3 format and not WAV. ? i have a huge data base of traks, loops, and hip hop and new aged traks i would love to upload for you guys....can anyone help me out here ?

  23. Looperman
    Looperman on Mon 27th Aug 2012 - 6 years ago

    @badboygbeatz

    loops and tracks are different. see the notes on the upload form and in the help area. everything you need to know is there to help you

  24. Manuwell
    Manuwell on Mon 27th Aug 2012 - 6 years ago

    Read the article and still cant upload...oh well

  25. HaxBox
    HaxBox on Tue 28th Aug 2012 - 6 years ago

    I request a permission to upload.
    I was gone for a while, but now back to business with some new awesome loops for beginner producers

  26. MadLabz
    MadLabz on Tue 28th Aug 2012 - 6 years ago

    I want upload!
    PLEASE

  27. irlenn
    irlenn on Mon 10th Sep 2012 - 6 years ago

    What's hate for?

  28. Looperman
    Looperman on Tue 11th Sep 2012 - 6 years ago

    please dont post requests here, they wont be seen.

    Read the article and youll see how to contact me to request your account be allowed to upload. Its essential that you read and understand the article first though.

  29. MarijuanaDro
    MarijuanaDro on Fri 28th Sep 2012 - 6 years ago

    How long does it take to get authorized ive been waiting for a few days now

  30. yozer
    yozer on Wed 3rd Oct 2012 - 6 years ago

    i read the article and i want to upload loops what do i do now??

  31. mickey1160
    mickey1160 on Thu 4th Oct 2012 - 6 years ago

    can i upload loops. Mickey1160

  32. mickey1160
    mickey1160 on Thu 4th Oct 2012 - 6 years ago

    can i be allowed to upload loops ect ? Mickey 1160

  33. kashman15
    kashman15 on Sat 6th Oct 2012 - 6 years ago

    Hi there I'd like to become an authorised user contact me and tell me how I can get involved I have uploaded an Avatar and given some information about myself :

  34. MookBalencrime
    MookBalencrime on Tue 16th Oct 2012 - 6 years ago

    i want to be able to upload loops

  35. Looperman
    Looperman on Tue 16th Oct 2012 - 6 years ago

    if you want to upload loops then you need to read this blog post and then notice the other comments where I keep telling you how to do it.

  36. MikeAlpha
    MikeAlpha on Wed 24th Oct 2012 - 6 years ago

    Hey Looperman, first off would like to say congratulations on a brilliant site. I've read and understood the article. I'm a new member on the site and uploaded a sample track already. Ready to upload thousands of loops to the site, just need your confirmation.

    Thank's in advance

    Mike Alpha

  37. BreakTrailz36
    BreakTrailz36 on Sat 27th Oct 2012 - 6 years ago

    Hey Looperman, would like to upload some loops I've made.
    Can you plz give me confirmation to access the upload-loops page here?

    Thanks

  38. AxteK
    AxteK on Mon 29th Oct 2012 - 6 years ago

    I've read and understood this article. I've done everything it says: updated my profile, uploaded an avatar.. yet i can't upload loops. Please help!
    Thank you

  39. BiLBeatz
    BiLBeatz on Thu 8th Nov 2012 - 6 years ago

    Hey looperman, I've read and understood the article. I want to updating my account, allow me to upload

  40. GramoChopin
    GramoChopin on Mon 12th Nov 2012 - 6 years ago

    I want to upload some loops as well. I've posted a thread about it too. So yea, awaiting authorization! cheers

    Neobane/InPSYcLe

  41. ECLIPTIX
    ECLIPTIX on Wed 14th Nov 2012 - 6 years ago

    Hy Mr. Looperman.
    Ive put some more info on my profile and I fully understand the rules for uploading loops on site. Right now i do not have autorization for uploading loops..
    Got a lot expirience on ableton and fls so there should be no problem about loop's quality..
    I would also like to be authorizated for uploading loops. cheers!

  42. NicolaiP
    NicolaiP on Sun 18th Nov 2012 - 5 years ago

    its worth looking, i did just checked why i did not had permission to upload. seeems i did all fine.. enough details etc. but sitll no upload? weird. pls help me looperman. i relly want to share my piano,fx,viola,violin samples with others. =(

  43. OViea91
    OViea91 on Tue 20th Nov 2012 - 5 years ago

    Ok. Cool.

  44. vyqxn
    vyqxn on Wed 21st Nov 2012 - 5 years ago

    Lets get this hag here authorized pleased Thanks.

  45. adamsmooth
    adamsmooth on Thu 22nd Nov 2012 - 5 years ago

    Its not letting me add stuff on my profile. please check out. thanks

  46. 4bryan4
    4bryan4 on Fri 23rd Nov 2012 - 5 years ago

    can i please have upload privileges again... i have some loops to share :D

  47. kontact
    kontact on Sat 1st Dec 2012 - 5 years ago

    i read it now is there something eles i havd to do ?

  48. 3HEADEDMONSTABEATZ
    3HEADEDMONSTABEATZ on Sat 15th Dec 2012 - 5 years ago

    I WANNA UPLOAD LOOPS TO YOUR SITE AND GIVE BACK PLEASE ALOW ME TOO UPLOAD THANK U

  49. badboy666
    badboy666 on Thu 20th Dec 2012 - 5 years ago

    I understand it but I can not upload my loops

  50. maustin2015
    maustin2015 on Mon 24th Dec 2012 - 5 years ago

    I read this and I still cannot upload

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