9th Apr 2023 02:20 - 1 year ago
Description : This started out as an exercise in learning how to do a rolling bass line. Seems simple enough but getting the velocities set right and finding the right amount of swing took me a while to work out.

Then just decided to put it to good use - added some pads and a variety of vocal loops that are included with Logic Pro.

What I really wanted to do was make a track that was as well-crafted as the latest stuff from Bob Moses. But, that’s still out of reach for me, I’m afraid.

Comments (15)

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deanp 13th Sep 2023 18:26 - 10 months ago
I like the vocal nuances of this track. They give it atmosphere. It sounds like you did good with the rolling bass. You can add an arpeggiator to one bar of your bass and it will sound "rolling" automatically. Then, side chain that bass to your kick drum. Sounds like you nailed it good here though anyway. The above is just a quick way to do it for any future tracks.
fidiu 3rd May 2023 12:44 - 1 year ago
Hi, Eric! Nice track. I like it a lot. Maybe you can sidechain the pads and some other sounds you have there and even the vocals a little bit so that the kick shine even more through the mix. But anyway you did a nice job. Keep it up.
EricMilligan replied 3rd May 2023 - 1 year ago
Hi, Fidiu! Thanks for the feedback and suggestions. I'm definitely getting the message that I really should work up my courage and try side-chaining elements of the track to the kicks. I used a work-around to avoid doing that with the bass line, but hadn't even thought of doing it to pads, etc. I think that's definitely something I should experiment with. I guess it would give the track the "pumping" sound?

Jynxz 3rd May 2023 05:45 - 1 year ago
Hello Eric,

I'm not at all familiar with "Logic Pro" but,
in Ableton you could just make one measure of
what ever you wanted to repeat "Quantize" it, highlight
the measure then just hold CTRL and hit D (duplicate) over
and over till you have as many measures of the phrase as you
want. Sidechain it to your Drum in a compressor and Bob's your
uncle :-).
I really like the power and drive in this track. I was really
curious to see what was going to happen when your waveform takes a dive @ 2:14. It turned out to be an Epic change.

Great track. Faved..PEACE from the SouthEast...
EricMilligan replied 3rd May 2023 - 1 year ago
Hi, Jynxz. Pretty much the same method in Logic Pro. I think I actually did about 4 bars of the bass and then duplicated it. Didn't attempt the side chain to the kick because I eliminated the bass notes when they coincided with the kicks. But, I know that, probably the preferable solution, is to use the side chain method so that some of the bass note is present in the track on each beat. I also didn't attempt to tune the pitch of the kicks to the key of the track. That's also something I know I should be doing, but frankly have never done. Laziness. Just pure laziness. :)

RitajustRita 2nd May 2023 10:22 - 1 year ago
I totally understand how frustrating it is.
I prefer not to use ready-made basslines and loops and try to do as much as possible myself.
The first and last bassline I made by stretching a bass in different lengths and using the pitch.
I sometimes try it with a synth by making a tone very dark.
With youtube I always have the problem that they speak english which is not my strong point and they explain everything so quickly.
Must be my age that I don't pick it up that quickly lol
How you tried it is actually algebra to me.
I'm completely free of the rules of music hahaha.
I do and try what comes to mind and if it sounds good then I'm happy .
That's why I often refer to my tracks as the Rita bounce genre lol.
I've just been into music for 3 years.
You can tell from your track that you have much more experience.
In any case, I think your bassline turned out well.
But we ourselves think it can always be better, right?
Greetings Rita
EricMilligan replied 3rd May 2023 - 1 year ago
Yes. Definitely we think it can always be better.

Being "free of the rules of music" isn't necessarily a bad way to be. I read somewhere that Stevie Nicks was advised not to learn about music formally because it might ruin her innate ability to create great songs. Her talent is instinctive. Not sure if that's really the right way to express it, but I think you will understand the meaning.

Most of the time, I have no idea what chords I'm really playing when I'm working up a sequence. And, apparently in one of my older tracks posted here, I did a key change in the track, but was quite unaware that I'd done it. One of the more accomplished musicians here on Looperman commented on it! I was quite surprised. :)

hobertni 1st May 2023 18:32 - 1 year ago
nice work on this exersize, i have no complaints about it and think you did a nice job with the drums and baseline and made the best out of it. keep working at it and maybe experiment with adding your own melodies instead of loops to take it to the next level

i laughed reading the comments when you said you should try some weed to help loosen the track up a bit. i agree with your theory
EricMilligan replied 2nd May 2023 - 1 year ago
Thanks, hobertni. Using all those vocal loops was actually a departure for me. I usually play all the melody lines myself on my keyboard. I tend to use midi drum loops a lot, instead of programming my own drums. That's always puzzled me because I actually played drums in rock bands (not professionally) years ago. But, I suck at programming good drum tracks from scratch.

So yes, I agree with you, using my own melodies would be a good idea. I'll definitely get back to doing that with future tracks.


Critical90s 30th Apr 2023 09:41 - 1 year ago
Really nice track eric! Love the pad work on this creation and the quality is perfect!
EricMilligan replied 2nd May 2023 - 1 year ago
Thanks, Critical90s. Seems that LM members commenting on the track quite liked the pads. I think I found a couple of good ones for the track. :)


RitajustRita 30th Apr 2023 02:12 - 1 year ago
I like it.
I also like the vocals in it.
How to make a rolling bassline? I still dont know lol.
But we keep practicing right?
Just go on like this.
EricMilligan replied 2nd May 2023 - 1 year ago
Hi, Rita:

I spend a LOT of time going through all the vocal samples/loops that came with Logic Pro to find ones that I could use with the track as it was developing. I'm generally not very good working with loops, other. than midi loops. Rolling bass lines seem like they should be simple enough to make, but I really had trouble getting it so it sounded half decent. I still don't know why. Watched a bunch of YouTube videos on how to do it. I thought I should be using side chain compression to "duck" 16th bass notes that coincide with kick drum hits on the first beat of each bar, but that didn't work for me at all. Ended up doing all 16th, and then erasing the midi notes for the first one at each beat in the bar. But then had to adjust the velocity of the remaining three notes to get the right feel. Plus applying a LFO filter preset to get it more locked in sync. I assume that, with practice, it would become a lot easier to accomplish! :)

dubjoka 29th Apr 2023 20:41 - 1 year ago
hey bro love the smooth pads and vocal work here great track mate
EricMilligan replied 2nd May 2023 - 1 year ago
Hi, dubjoka! Thanks for the comment. Yes, I managed to find pads that were really creamy. Only slight tweaks from the presets. Much more effort on the bass and drum parts. First part of the track has only one bass instrument but I layered four of them for the break section including two Moogs. I know that's not supposed to be good practice, but I think that if you use EQ to focus each instrument on the timbre that is unique to it, the whole sound can work really well. I'm not proficient enough to be able to program the sounds I want from scratch, so layering instruments is a method I use quite a bit.


pseudoble 29th Apr 2023 19:56 - 1 year ago
Nice depth and space in the mix with classic dance pulse - love the synth work too : )
EricMilligan replied 2nd May 2023 - 1 year ago
Thanks for the encouragement, pseudoble! I think I finally have come close to figuring out how to do a proper rolling bass line. Now, just need to get more creative on all the other elements! :)


phantomproduction 27th Apr 2023 19:51 - 1 year ago
very good track , very good sound and mix , very very good job Eric !
EricMilligan replied 2nd May 2023 - 1 year ago
Thanks for the feedback, Michael. I think the mix was pretty good, actually. Now, I just need to work harder on getting more inventive tracks. I'm working on one now with another LM member that is going to be, I think, quite unique. Not EDM. I really want to be able to make good EDM tracks. I think I need to spend more time listening to what's being put out by the pros. I really like Bob Moses, but there's a lot more out there worth my attention I think.


xstokes 27th Apr 2023 10:43 - 1 year ago
hello Eric! i think you from an organizational and production perspective this is a nice and flowing piece. my complaint is that it sounds like an exercise, just as you alluded to it in the description. i’d love to hear you loosen the genre conventions and jam — then that rolling psytrance bass could be put to a better test. good to see you man!
EricMilligan replied 29th Apr 2023 - 1 year ago
This is a valid critique of the track, x stokes, and I really appreciate your input. It’s, frankly, a lot more helpful to get constructive criticism than comments that just say, “great track, man” or words to that effect.

Your observation is aiming at an issue that much more fundamental than mere technical issues with the mix, etc. it’s something that I’ve been increasingly aware of, and frustrated with in my music for some time now. Not very inventive.

I’m not sure how to remedy this. I hope it’s not because I’m just too old to be creative.:(

Maybe pot? It’s legal here in Canada! :)

RuslanG 12th Apr 2023 17:31 - 1 year ago
Nice work Eric!
EricMilligan replied 13th Apr 2023 - 1 year ago
Hello, Ruslan!!!!

Great to hear from you! Thanks for the encouragement.

2Sisters 10th Apr 2023 21:02 - 1 year ago
Hallo Eric, also der Song gefällt mir so wie er ist schon sehr gut. Ich habe keine Ahnung wer Bob Moses ist, daher kann ich nicht vergleichen. Das ist aber auch gar nicht notwendig, weil die Musik die man macht aus einem selbst herauskommen und nicht die Variation igendeines anderen Künstlers sein sollte. Auf mich wirkt sie positiv, sehr kurzweilig, gut gemischt und gemastert. Die Effekte sind sehr gut und wirkungsvoll eingesetzt. Gut gemacht! Liebe Grüße Manuela
EricMilligan replied 11th Apr 2023 - 1 year ago
Danke, Manuela:

Thanks for the positive feedback and advice1

I agree that it is important to develop a "voice" and style of one's own. Although I have been making music for quite a long time, I still view myself as a student, learning from, and building on, the examples of others. That's the way music works, I think.

Bob Moses is definitely worth checking out on their site or on any streaming service. Two guys, originally from Vancouver, now based in Los Angeles. Fine musicians. Basic genre is, I guess, House music, but very strong melodies, lyrics, vocals. Definitely have found, after 10 years of working together, a distinctive sound. They do "club shows" which I think are basically DJ sets and also shows with a full band (adding bass and drums). Touring the world. I'm originally from the Vancouver area, so am quite proud to see them become so successful. They deserve even more recognition.


BaoBou 10th Apr 2023 19:28 - 1 year ago
BTW that is an awesome avatar, I only noticed when you replied. I might actually steal that idea for an album cover, that's how much I like it :D

Regarding "tracks to get played outside Looperman" - hey, I made that journey from "crap track on Looperman" to "decent track on looperman" to "some tracks on youtube" to "some listeners on youtube" to "some people to telling me to bring out an EP"... to doing a small concert of my own songs this weekend.

I mean... I honestly didn't think that was possible even a year ago and now I'm setting new milestones and new goals and while I still think it's all crap and I don't expect anybody to listen... some people do. So NEVER THINK THAT! Even if you're just being realistic, it can also be nice to be ever so slightly ambitious.

So, long story short, yes, people might play it. You might play it. You might DJ somewhere. Now imagine people standing around on the dance floor and you are starting your latest track and you want to blow their tiny minds - and your intro should tell them PREPARE TO BE BLOWN, EARTHLINGS. Wait, that's not what I meant ;)

So yeah, intros need to be interesting. Good luck :)
EricMilligan replied 10th Apr 2023 - 1 year ago
Hey, BauBou, you are more than welcome to steal the avatar idea! I did that quite a few years ago. The mugshot number is actually my Looperman member number! :) I thought the tag line in my profile was pretty good as well. Probably the most creative thing I've ever done here on LM! :)

Congratulations on doing the concert of your songs this weekend! That's definitely a serious milestone!


BaoBou 10th Apr 2023 19:00 - 1 year ago
I like it, although the intro is pretty long for my taste. That's something that can be shorter maybe?
Great use of the vocals although I don't like the autotune. That could be in the stock vocal, else I would simply remove it?
Finally I didn't know Moses was called Bob, but he seems to have a nice side job besides splitting the red sea. Great danceable track man!
EricMilligan replied 10th Apr 2023 - 1 year ago
Thanks for the feedback BouBou. Good point on the intro. I've re-worked the intro over and over again. At this point, I actually don't remember if it is longer or shorter than I originally had it. :)

I think your comment on the intro is a good one, though. Not that I ever expect any of my tracks to get played outside of Looperan, but I do know that listeners want to get right into the track quickly, so long-winded intros are not favoured. I guess I forgot that.

You are right about the autotune being in the original vocal loops. Can't do anything to remove that effect, as far as I know. I did spent quite a bit of time searching the web for vocal Loops from R&B singers who had similar voices and styles, but didn't find anything that I could work with. It's interesting that almost all of what's available now is from high-pitched tenors with pretty much no "rasp" in their vocal delivery.


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