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    Pokerface06 : Sun 22nd Mar 2015 : 7 years ago

    What's up yall. Now this a tricky subject but I wanted to see what people thought. I've spoke about this recently and I'm getting mixed feedback.

    I'm pretty new to the site but I've uploaded some loops and I've been getting some great feedback/comments/downloads for the loops. But after joining the site, I almost immediately noticed that there was a much smaller community of givers (or people that upload loops) in comparison to all the users (That take).

    I joined the site because I heard some good loops that I wanted to use but I almost immediately felt a little guilty. So I started uploading loops to balance out my involvement. I felt the need to contribute as a sign of appreciation for what is built here....I didn't want to be selfish...

    Anyway, I've been commenting that users should somewhat be required to contribute to the site in order to take from it. In other words, give to receive. I think it would not only help grow the site, but it would also add to the camaraderie and creativity of the site. This is a place built on sharing and everybody should be required to share in my opinion....

    The tricky part is that some people who have been commenting on this subj on my page are mentioning that they are poor or what about those that are poor. Now I'm not against someone who feels inspired from my loops but doesn't necessarily have the means to make there own. But if you have a computer that can download, how can it not upload?. And if your downloading my loops, I'm going to assume the majority of the time its to help with beat creation of some sort. And if so, they can upload loops as well.

    I had someone download a loop and use it as background music for his youtube video. That type of thing is an exception I guess. I wouldn't wanna block that.

    But overall I do feel there should be some sort of contribution requirement here in this community. And I feel its the right thing to do...

    I'm not saying I have a problem with people downloading my loops at all. That's why they are there. I'm humbled that people want to use them. But I just wish there was less selfishness and more so a requirement to help balance, contribute and grow this community.

    Upload a loop to download loops. What do you all think? Agree? Disagree? Something to build on? Or am I just crazy?

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    Danke : Sun 22nd Mar 2015 : 7 years ago

    Donno...

    til 2 years I uploaded circa 2000 loops (deleted around 600...) and those loops were downloaded 1.300 000 times...hmmm...
    people just don't take it seriously...dl the loop and let's see what's gonna happening...you HAVE to deal with this kinda attitude if you are here...

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    SHWAK : Sun 22nd Mar 2015 : 7 years ago

    what if users get a "download token" when they comment on a track/acapella/loop

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    Pokerface06 : Sun 22nd Mar 2015 : 7 years ago

    @DANKE Wow! You are absolutely right. That is exactly the attitude here. I love the site. But I wish it were different. Especially when someone like yourself does so much contribution to the site....People should appreciate your work and give back to the community....

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    Pokerface06 : Sun 22nd Mar 2015 : 7 years ago

    @SHWAK That actually sounds like a good idea. Or at least you're going in the right direction with that idea. There should definitely be contribution requirements in order to utilize the site privileges....Otherwise there's going to be people abusing the site like they do....

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    Danke : Sun 22nd Mar 2015 : 7 years ago

    They appreciate it...
    You can't imagine how many emails I get day by day about collabs, loop usages, helps...and many of them is a "thank you brother" kinda one...it's enough for me...year before I tried to make it more seriously this "factory" (selling loops) but I stucked into the laws and many other things here in my hometown...you can stay here or move away or can make your own website...

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    Pokerface06 : Sun 22nd Mar 2015 : 7 years ago

    @danke I hear you....And I'm sure they appreciate you work. I guess what I meant to say was they should appreciate the site and the platform rather than your work specifically.

    But you're right. I appreciate the advice. I'm in Los Angeles so I don't have the same restrictions as far as making money off of loops.

    I'm interested in that route and how far you got with it. Any advice on which direction to start as far as possibly creating a website to sell loops and samples from?

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    Danke : Sun 22nd Mar 2015 : 7 years ago

    I'm not a proper person for you but if I can advice one of the biggest name and personality here is called Shortbusmusic (Bear)...he can tell you some interesting words about looping...try to contact him...

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    Spivkurl : Sun 22nd Mar 2015 : 7 years ago

    I guess I try to keep in mind that the biggest consumers of loops are such because they feel unable to write/compose/sequence/record/whatever their own sounds... whether it is due to lack of funds for equipment, lack of experience, or lack of inspiration is kind of beside the point. In general, people who record their own music or instruments tend to use a lot less loops. So it is fortunate that some of them feel comfortable sharing their skills in the form of loops. It seems like a risky proposition to attempt to force those big loop consumers to upload loop for several reasons. The big one that comes to mind - the overall quality of loops may drop if people are sharing their work without feeling ready to do so. Another thing we might see is a lot more loops which are manipulated versions of other members' loops, especially if all this person has to work with is loops to make sound. Just a thought.

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    Pokerface06 : Sun 22nd Mar 2015 : 7 years ago

    @Spivkurl I tried to consider that perspective in regards to people being unable to create/compose their own loops. For reasons like lack of equipment, I find it hard to believe when all you need is a computer. They have one to download with so they have one to upload with. I know people that make killer beats in fruity loops with just a mouse.

    I definitely hear you though. I just can't fully agree with it. My mind tells me that tons of these guys downloading the loops have the means to create and upload as well. Its just that selfish mentality clouds the thought of giving back.

    As far as the overall quality of loops dropping, there's plenty of basic or What I would consider non quality loops on here. But I credit them for at least uploading and sharing. That is more contribution than never adding anything. Over 1 million users on the site. Only 60,000 loops. I can't believe that 940,000 people here can't upload loops for various reasons. Its hard to believe. The site could use more contribution and loops.

    But I respect what you're saying. And by no means am I complaining about those that for whatever reasons, don't have the means to upload. I just think it's not a bad idea to have some contribution requirements in place on the site. ...Like a "give to receive" requirement. I think it would help out the site a lot in various ways.

    Thanks for the input. I respect your opinion...

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    Spivkurl : Sun 22nd Mar 2015 : 7 years ago

    I understand where you are coming from for sure. I guess my biggest concern with your final statement would be that track listens and comments pretty much come down to a "give to receive" situation any more. While ideally that would encourage people to give, it seems that most days it simply discourages people from sharing their music, because they know it won't get any attention without first commenting on everyone's tracks. The very common result of this system is a barrage of simple non-helpful comments for the "bump" effect. It's not important, of course, as I still love this place and the music I hear around here. I don't really go digging for loops very often, and I don't care to much about how many of mine get downloaded either, so it seems my opinion isn't really needed.

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    Planetjazzbass : Mon 23rd Mar 2015 : 7 years ago

    In these day of blatant commercialism Looperman has managed to remain a free site,and part and parcel of that is the ongoing no strings attached policy for downloads,I can understand how you feel and to your credit you have the site's best interests at heart,the thing is though if download conditions are implemented I can see the ambivalent attitude that the site possesses changing.In the past their was a points system in place and a byproduct of that was a hierarchical veneer that unwittingly did segregate parts of the community,now I know your not suggesting that but making a conditional environment will definitely affect Looperman's revolving door attitude,people come people go,people upload people download,no drama (well there's always some drama)no fees,no worries...that's why Looperman is what it is,a laid back audio resource community that perseveres.

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    joecramer : Mon 23rd Mar 2015 : 7 years ago

    I do a lot of things, use a lot of things, record a lot of things, produce a real lot of things, i make realy my own thing and use loops from here and there when they are free to use and i believe i do some special stuff and bla and so on ..... but i realy found here so much REALY REALY GOOD loop and some mmmm lets say just loops and i believ that it would be a shame to PRESS the peoples to make loops to share, cause i just start thinking about makeing a GOOD loop for others after 35 years of playing music, you know?
    And i am SOOOOO HAPPY that the most who upload loops here are GOOD or REAL GOOD in makeing GOOD lops with good sound and good quality and good feelings of technics and so on .....

    I CANT believe that there will be realy someone who wants loops from everyone :)

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    joecramer : Mon 23rd Mar 2015 : 7 years ago

    And by the way :)
    Do you believe that people who download a pella, should upload also one ??????

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    joshfred21 : Mon 23rd Mar 2015 : 7 years ago

    My issue with this is simple. I don't have the money to legally create and upload loops because the software(ex: fl studio) is so expensive, but I am legally able to own an inexpensive mixing program that I can produce tracks with using the loops on this site. I love the free for commercial use policy here because it will allow me to make money so I can use to start making my own loops so I will be able to take from this site less and to give back once I am able to afford the expensive software. Keep that kind of thing in mind please. This could screw over a lot of people who are trying to work their way to being able to give back, but just can't yet.

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    laerisreal : Mon 23rd Mar 2015 : 7 years ago

    To be honest, I just use the site for the forums. I will start uploading soon though!

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    Pokerface06 : Mon 23rd Mar 2015 : 7 years ago

    I appreciate everyones input on the subj. I knew this subj was somewhat tricky. Wasn't expecting a unified suggestions or solution but everyones input has been great.

    I will say though that the "I can't afford the software" explanation seems like an easy way out. I say that because there are so many FREE beat making softwares out there....They are not hard to come by. And neither are sounds. Just takes some research.

    But other than that, I really would love to see the site grow and I think the only way that can happen is if more users help build. There has to be contribution from the growing community. Otherwise there is an imbalance (Like there is now). But I understand what you all are saying and that just kind of how it is on the site. No real way around....

    Kudos, Peace & Love to you all.....

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    Spivkurl : Mon 23rd Mar 2015 : 7 years ago

    You are correct that there are many free software options for making music (or using the term loosely "beat"). On the other hand, there is an already alarming amount of loops on the site made with free software, and I might add they are often made with the same preset sounds over and over. Not that the sound makes the loop, but composition in standard notation can only take you so far as well. This sort of goes back to the "imbalance" issue you speak of, but from a different angle... There is sometimes an imbalance of loops made with recycled presets and samples, as compared to loops created with real instruments or in new ways. Not to say that I haven't uploaded my share of generic sounding loops, I have! It is just something to keep in mind.

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    XyIlent : Mon 23rd Mar 2015 : 7 years ago

    Didn't have time to read everyones reply but, i dont agree with the 'Upload a loop to download loops' idea.
    Most people download loops either dont have time to create their own or dont have the ability to do so.
    Not mentioning the fact that it would be weird for a site thats based on people downloading loops, to then restrict the downloading of said loops haha

    I get what your saying, but i dont think restricting the downloads of loops is the way to go.

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    Pokerface06 : Mon 23rd Mar 2015 : 7 years ago

    @Spivkurl That's an interesting point you make. I hadn't noticed that per se but what you're saying makes sense and I can see your point on an imbalance from another angle. That is definitely a good point to keep in mind.... The free software isn't the solution I guess....

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    Pokerface06 : Mon 23rd Mar 2015 : 7 years ago

    @Xyllent I wasn't necessarily speaking on restrictions or looking to have restrictions. I was more so suggesting contribution requirements. All for the growth of the site and to help keep a balance here.

    The goal wasn't to restrict people from downloading loops. The goal was to have the growing user base interact more and contribute. Also I just can't wrap my head around believing that most of the people here can't make loops or don't have the time. I'm sure there are people here that fit that description. But I don't think they cover the majority.

    I think most of these downloaders have the means to make beats. I'm getting emails everyday from guys who downloaded my loops and are making beats with them and sending them to me to hear. But I'll check their profile and they have never uploaded a loop on here. They are just here to get what they can get and move on...And that population far outweighs the ones that actually contribute to the site. I was just trying to spark a conversation on how to balance that a little better....

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    XyIlent : Mon 23rd Mar 2015 : 7 years ago

    But how can you say it wouldn't restrict downloads?, if im a user that wants to download download 10 loops but looperman is telling me that i can only download 5 loops because i haven't contributed enough then would'nt that restrict the user from downloading? haha.

    "Also I just can't wrap my head around believing that most of the people here can't make loops or don't have the time"

    I can.. i was one of them haha. when i started out here i had no idea how people made them. I was just using them sticking them together and making what i called a song.
    If looperman asked me to make a loop so i could download more loops i would have either left the site, or made a terrible loop so that i could download more.

    Yeah the 'downloaders' outweighs the uploaders but i dont know, for me its not a problem. I think this is one of the best communitys that i have ever seen, and it works well because its a fairly small amount of people who all have a shared passion.
    If you get a ton of people adding to the community just so they can download it would ruin that i think.

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    Spivkurl : Mon 23rd Mar 2015 : 7 years ago

    Making "beats" with loops is completely different from composing your own music or loops. You have pretty much proved my points. Many of these people can put together loops, and that is about it. If they are forced to make loops and upload them to get the free loops here, then there is a big risk of getting uploads comprised of layered or effected loops of other members... and less drastically, they may just never return and just pick up loops elsewhere. I think it would be an important first step to have people enroll in a music theory course, or prove that they can play an instrument... *laughs heartily*.

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    Pokerface06 : Mon 23rd Mar 2015 : 7 years ago

    Yeah you guys are right...Overall you all make sense. I started uploading loops to give back because I downloaded a few loops myself. But that is me and I'm in the position to do so because I know music and have the equipment...

    But I understand that is not always going to be the case with users. I hear you guys and you've helped me see the site for what it is...I'll continue to share and contribute because I enjoy helping. But I'll get off of this "we need to change this" attitude. I'll appreciate the site for what it is....Thanks guys for the clarity...

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    40A : Mon 23rd Mar 2015 : 7 years ago

    It may cause more problems than it'd solve. As mentioned above, the only thing this change would do is force people to spam all sorts of nonsensical bullshit just to have the content available to them. Just to curb a requisite.

    Do you want contrived "music" being dumped into the loop section... or random text being input into the comment sections, and a host of other disingenuous, false and totally irrelevant noise cluttering the place?

    I definitely think this site needs many changes, and i'm not just talking about the mechanisms that hold the place together. I'm also talking about the psychology, because that seems to be the most prevalent issue around here.

    "I'm not getting enough comments, i'm getting too many comments, people don't appreciate me, there's so many bots, he stole my melody, no you stole my melody, there's not enough people participating, nobody wants to comment on tracks, why won't you contribute, digital producers suck, RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE LOUD..noises"

    That's all i see. There's ALWAYS been an unspoken agreement about this place, and that it's actually quite dysfunctional in a lot of regards

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