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    n0mad23 : Tue 3rd Aug 2010 : 8 years ago

    While not a genre I'm really familiar with, I do find myself really curious to know more every time I encounter a Grime track.

    The writer Hattie Collins writes that Grime music is "an amalgamation of UK Garage with a bit of drum'n'bass, a splash of punk and a touch of hip-hop thrown in for good measure."

    If that's not a good reason to set up a logbook, I don't know what is.

    Come on gang, educate me!

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    Unknown User : Tue 3rd Aug 2010 : 8 years ago

    Lol, funny you should say "educate me", have a peek at the track description:

    https://www.looperman.com/tracks/detail/64525

    Half-time drum pattern, two hi-hat patterns, one subbassline and two harmonics. Yes, it's sparse. Yes, it's filthy grimey...

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    n0mad23 : Tue 3rd Aug 2010 : 8 years ago

    Must have had the receiver tuned to the right frequencies when I followed the impulse and started the logbook.

    Drawing from the Wiki write up: "Stylistically, grime takes from many genres including UK Garage, dancehall and hip hop. The lyrics and music combine futuristic electronic elements and dark, guttural bass lines."

    I'd say your representative track does that!

    The bit from Wiki that really rang true for me from all the Grime I've listened to here on the loop is a quote from Sasha Frere-Jones in The New Yorker. She writes, "grime sounds as if it had been made for a boxing gym, one where the fighters have a lot of punching to do but not much room to move."

    There's an edgy tension in the genre, isn't there?

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    simmerdown : Tue 3rd Aug 2010 : 8 years ago

    dv8 that is great, review to come, if i didnt know better (and i dont) i'd have called it a slightly downtempo minimal dubstep. great place to start the grime education as n0mad said.

    so..what is a typical tempo? is the minimal sound part of the genre description?

    lots being said/implied with very little, that to me is what makes for powerful music

    never have looked into grime, ever, now im already thinking to try one...nice logbook start!

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    yeshintae : Tue 3rd Aug 2010 : 8 years ago

    CHRISSG

    got that GRIME DOWN POINT!!!

    ahahaha

    Peace from LA

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    ChrissG : Tue 3rd Aug 2010 : 8 years ago

    Yo blud wa'gwarn.. I thought id start off with a little lingo to get the ball rolling. Now this is a logbook I can relate to, I do love the grime scene right from the old skool crews such as more fire and so solid, deriving from the integration of speed garage, up to the latest artists such as gigs and pro green to name a couple.

    Ill start with the tempo.. 140 is the main tempo we see in grime music, yet I have seen it ranging between 135 and 140 bpm.. keeping it close for dj's to mix easily.. plus it keeps the tempo quick enough for those fast punchy snares going off.. to get you "hyped" up.

    "Grime has been Britain’s addition to urban music, although it’s remained largely a British genre which has only managed to make small inroads into the U.S. (like the don of grime kano!!!), the home of urban music.

    It developed at the beginning of the Millennium, coming out of the garage and two step scenes, but with its own little twists. The breakbeats are often in a fairly sparse style, the beat a little slower than techno, but the rapping is often speeded up to double-time (an idea taken from ragga).

    It’s the rapping that really characterises grime, and it’s rappers like So Solid Crew, Dizzee Rascal and Lady Sovereign who’ve become the stars of the genre, taking it into the U.K. charts and establishing it as a very active facet of British urban music, with Rascal winning a Mercury Prize (unfortunatly lol)." - there are more artists out there than this which i will get into later.

    I have had a look on quite a few grime forums and when I see people asking for help, the response is quite similar.. "you need to live the grime scene".. I think the view of grime musc does derive from a certain background.. mailny starting in london with a way to express the strife surrounding growing up in deprived areas.. But to some this has been seen as a controversial topic.

    Integrating throughout the uk (quite rightly I may add), the music has slightly progressed into the mainstream, in which you do tend to find a certain slant on the genre, being a more dancey/popy one. To some (like my good self lol) this is steering the genre away from it's roots.. So for every one out there, who wishes to partake in a little grime music, it is easily integrated into other genres. Especially pop and dance music, as the tempo allows for an easy integration.

    The style of grime - Ok as we have grime music, there are different styles of grime thrown in there for good measure.. We have the main hyped style of grime music with the fast rapping, punshy drum lined, fast melody style
    Eg.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAGsBVHpN6c
    We have the slower paced vocal exentuating style, with a slower beat
    Eg.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYHJkUWaHzs
    But as with most music this depends of the artist and producer.. So heres a good list of artists for you to check out with some different styles to show you how it differs..

    Ill go into the instruments used next, so you can get a grip on the sound of the music..

    Drums - The thing that makes the music hype - They usually change every 16 bars after a drop or after a build up. fast paced snares for the chorus are a must as are layered snares.. like some dance genres use ghost notes, I have found that you have a main layered snare with smaller snares to carry the beat through, this works a treat.. open hi hats, rev crashes and fx help make the drums interesting as well as the kick drum, often placed on the first note with maybe one or two notes every 16 bars depending on the style of the beat.

    Synth - Square synths are used quite often in grime music, usually a fast paced style, depending on the type of grime beat being produced. From what I hear these synths are used as a non complex melody to keep ya head noddin while ya body grooves to the beat. Sometimes gated synths are used as a backing beat for the higher end of the spectrum. So have a play around with some heavy synths to see what you can come up with.

    Strings - Strings are a must in my eyes.. used in the majority of grime music I come across.. Now these melodies can range, alot of the violin melodies are quite quick paced and complex, but on the other hand the pizz and or cellos can often compliment the non complex synth.. If you going for hype grime, then blast a fast complex violin out, if not, a nice melodic non complex orch will do nicely.

    Pads - Pads are used in the intro alot of the time, to compliment the main melody.. some times I hear pads in the chorus, but in the verse pads are quite apparent..

    Bass - now the bass has integrated somewhat from 2000 to 2010 usualy it's non complex sine/sqaure waved sub bass to flesh out the track as such, But as other styles have been integrated into grime music, I hear multi oscillating wobble bass' being introduced in the genre all the time, So for all you dubstep heads out there, you can use these skills in grime. Usually, the bass is not very complex as the main focas has been on the drums in the majority of grime.. Untill more recent years where like i say, other elements have been integrated..

    Percussion - The genre itself leaves little room for percussion as the drum line is usually fast paced.. however, you can twist up some percussion and use it to compliment the drum line if it fits that grimey feel..

    Other instruments - I have heard distorted guitars to violas being used in some grime tracks.. Akala was one for the guitar use, and it does work a treat.. Depending on the style of corse. Quite alot of instruments can be used to fit in with the genre, but it just a matter of gettin the sound right, so we know its grime yet with a twist. Id stay clear of poly synths personally, as its called grime we want to keep it nice and dirty ;) It all depends on the artist and how they portray the genre using the basic setup in my eyes.

    As for the arrangement, the typical is usually set with a melodic intro (withought drums or vocals) using synths, stings, pads etc, then every 16 bars we usually have a change.. So on the 17th bar the drums will usually kick in along with the main melody, unless used in the intro then we keep it going. after 16 bars usually comes a hook where we take an instrument out or add one in, complimenting the main melody which is often kept going throughout the track.. then after that 16 we hit up a nice chourus, where the voclas get "catchier" keep the main melody but we can bulk it back up with the instrument taken out, and add a heavier synth or string depending on what we are going for. then after that 16.. its good to have a little change after the chorus. As the genre derives from the 2 step genre, we can integrate a 2step beat and take the heavier synth out.. or keep it going if needs be. but a subtle change will be needed.. then we go back to the verse after that 16 back into the hook and so on.. Subtle changes can be made throughout, which I like as it keeps the beat occupied. But it all depends on the style you are going for.

    Ok so, theres some information for you to have a gnader at.. I will be adding to this as it progresses.. But for the time being, take a listen to some of these tracks to keep you occupied and see which if any style suits you best.. And this will give you a good idea what the hell ive been going on about lol

    here ya go to get ya started..

    Ghetto - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC-aZK7sju4
    Devlin - http://www.youtube.com/watchv=OHq4fc2T8sw&feature=avmsc2
    Kano - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhEcq-w7inw
    Akala - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQrQrioLxhc
    Wiley vs Ghetts - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er5ke1nd3SE
    JME - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM9vlW673D8
    skepta - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TTceYEJif4
    Sway - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sh50lzdyQU
    lady sovereign - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMmt6pzmXJs

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    StephenPotter : Tue 3rd Aug 2010 : 8 years ago

    Nice tips here, I'll be keeping my eye on this one. Chris, could you make a bigger post please? Its a bit small :P

    Ste :)

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    yeshintae : Tue 3rd Aug 2010 : 8 years ago

    my BOY C'

    introducin' the genre to the LOOPERFAM!!!

    Peace from LA

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    n0mad23 : Wed 4th Aug 2010 : 8 years ago

    Confession time. I started this logbook specifically to celebrate ChrisG's return. It was ChrisG's tracks in his earlier incarnation that actually turned me on to the genre. After reading and rereading (x3) his educational post above, I'm sure it was the right idea.

    With that, I'm pumping his track "Grime it up" now for several reasons. First, to my still uneducated ear, I think is an exemplary track for this discussion. Second, I love how he's combined orchestral elements with a grimy bass that's really reminiscent of Dubstep. Finally, after seeing yeshintae's enthusiasm above, I'm sure other Grime fans who haven't heard this are going to love it.

    ChrisG's "Grime it up" - https://www.looperman.com/tracks/detail/74362

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    Cybertooth : Tue 31st Aug 2010 : 8 years ago

    i mus admit grime as a genre is starting to grow on me,the thing that annoys me about the genre is the mc's rapping out of time, probably just me though, im a very rythmic person

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    Cybertooth : Tue 31st Aug 2010 : 8 years ago

    course then again i might be listening to the wrong artists

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    alividlife : Tue 31st Aug 2010 : 8 years ago

    Yeah there's something elastic about the lyrics aren't there?
    They are the solo instrument.
    That's fer sure.

    I remember when I first joined I would follow Lady Vipa Viscous from this site, because it was my FIRST encounter with Grime.
    It blew my mind.
    Ha, and Eshar was showing me some of her family that had done some Grime tracks... Totally awesome stuff there too.
    to be honest, it sounded like a super awesome version of dirty south style stuff... crunk but FAST, and with lyrics I REALLY had to pay attention to.
    I fully appreciate this "style".
    Don't get me wrong.
    It's awesome much respect.

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    OdotZED : Tue 22nd Mar 2011 : 7 years ago

    Im so glad theres a grime log book lol !!
    Big up chrissG..

    every grime fan has to also check this!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T111_joVsnA&feature=relmfu

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    Cybertooth : Wed 23rd Mar 2011 : 7 years ago

    i happen to like virus syndicate quite a bit, aires on the side of hip hop i guess, but nonetheless
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PhjR_V0lf0

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    Phyruis : Wed 23rd Mar 2011 : 7 years ago

    interesting thread...

    my contribution

    Dot rotten
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2ZvW7Vjcuo

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