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    Cybertooth : Wed 28th Jul 2010 : 11 years ago

    i cant find a genre logbook button, so where it used to go untill its moved

    im starting this for approxamately the same reasons that n0mad started the dub logbook. almost all my songs are industrially rooted, and lately ive been going back to my roots. so how about some tips on what makes a good industrial track and what it generally should sound like

    looks like we're pulling up throbbing gristles name again

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    MCHN : Wed 28th Jul 2010 : 10 years ago

    Had seen the logbook section recently. Didn't really think a Industrial logbook was needed, but guess its a helpful idea.

    Off the top of my head...

    Industrial DRONES.

    Drones are similar to Pads. They add to the ambiance and all around background noise. You can find drone packs all over, but it's a very easy process to make your own. I'm gonna focus on sample based drones.

    Get a sample. You can play a note from a synthesizer, get the sound from an amp warming up, your car/truck knocking or the laughter of children. Whatever you really want(minus blatant copyright infringement). Drones in industrial music are often pitched down, re-sampled(odd rates work really well) and have loop markers usually. Nothing is set in stone though. You just want to have that weird or creepy dark sound that builds your tune up here and there.

    Looping the sample. Depending on your sampler this could be easy or somewhat challenging. Take for example a MPC, load your sample, find your first loop marker, find your second, trim and go. Simple. More than likely you will be using a soft sampler. The best one I must say(personally) is SIMPLER, found in Ableton Live. Just as, or faster than most hardware samplers. Also a lot of functionality as far as sample manipulation goes. I use Reason alot, you might use FL Studio or Logic or etc.. Whatever sampler you have or use more than likely has these basic functions. Just find that area you want to loop and set it up accordingly. You may or may not want to have it loop perfectly or cleanly. It's up to you. I sometimes loop to tempo, I sometimes let it loop out of sync. Just whatever fits the your goal usually works. Once you have it droning we move to FX.

    Not really a required step but can take a drone to absolute madness. Want to make it glitchy and sound like a computer mating with a wild boar. Do it. The FX is like salt. Used just right can make a drone sound like a dying star. I like reverb, big reverb. Not too much, but to make it feel like your being swallowed by that sound.

    In the end, the drone can be whatever you really feel fits. Can be happy(wth is happy in industrial?), can be depressing, insane or machine like. Hope this helps. Cheers :D

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    Cybertooth : Fri 30th Jul 2010 : 10 years ago

    maybe, thought i since i was going to ask for tips i minus well start this so we can swap the names of good bands

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    n0mad23 : Fri 30th Jul 2010 : 10 years ago

    @Cybertooth - I wondered if this Logbook was coming, and must say I'm not surprised you're the one that did it!

    From The Secret History of Rock: The Most Influential Bands You've Never Heard by Roni Sarig, Industrial music arose in response to "an age [in which] the access and control of information were becoming the primary tools of power."

    COUM Transmissions as a performance art group mutates into Throbbing Gristle in 1976, with only 3 weeks and 6 blocks separating it from The Sex Pistols first show. Punk and Industrial music basically arrive at the same time - do you think there's a connection there at least in terms of what both forms were reacting to?

    I know I've invoked Throbbing Gristle in both the Ambient and Dub Logbooks now, and in digging through research materials for the Industrial Logbook, I'm really seeing the connection finally. For TG, especially the inspiration of Peter Christopherson (aka Sleazy), we find the work of W. S. Burroughs and his cut-ups and tape loops.

    Shortly after TG arrived on the scene, the Australian band SPK appeared, and they were drawing from the Dadaists and Surrealists. To me this makes sense, as both were a response to WWI and life in an insane world.

    In the "first wave" of Industrial music, we find Throbbing Gristle, SPK, Boyd Rice, Cabaret Voltaire (Dadaism anyone?), and Z'EV.

    I think at its core, this is what Industrial music tried to respond to. How to remain human in the late phases of industrialism, where the order of the machines pull us further and further away from the human condition and tries to make an army of meat-puppets.

    I think with my next post I'll contemplate the second wave, and the shift into Post-Industrial music and how the influences the original Industrial musicians drew from helped in this evolution.

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    Cybertooth : Fri 30th Jul 2010 : 10 years ago

    just been surfing freesound, i think ventilation systems and lawnmowers might make good drones too

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    Cybertooth : Mon 2nd Aug 2010 : 10 years ago

    sophia is very good at generating drones, really dark and really cool ones

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    MCHN : Mon 2nd Aug 2010 : 10 years ago

    @Cybertooth Will have a look at Sophia. Been awhile since Ableton got used :D

    @n0mad Awesome. Post-industrial is all some people know, hopefully this will show people the more experimental(traditional?) Industrial. Also a look into the NO WAVE scene and the correlation and influence to Industrial is pretty good. My personal faves are NON, Coil(hmm wonder where they started at?) and Swans.

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    n0mad23 : Mon 2nd Aug 2010 : 10 years ago

    @MCHM - I love Coil. I have the "Wrong Eye" 7 inch EP with the hand number "649" written on it! I also have the first print of their single "How to Destroy Angels." Actually, I have every piece of vinyl they pressed!

    Throbbing Gristle broke up in San Francisco when Cosey Fanni Tutti and Genesis P`Orridge broke up. Peter Christopherson and Genesis formed Psychic TV, and Chris Carter and Cosey formed Chris and Cosey. All these people were Throbbing Gristle. I think it was `83 that Peter left Psychic TV to form Coil with John Balance.

    I think it was about `83 that Eistürzende Neubauten, Test Dept, and Cabaret Voltaire arrive on the scene as well, and to me really marks the different directions that Post-Industrial branched out into. I use these three specifically to illustrate how heavy rhythms and other influences really distinguish Industrial from Post-Industrial. For example, Cabaret Voltaire were friends with New Order (post Joy Division) and were trying to infuse some electro-pop sensibilities into their brand of Industrial music.

    I think the NO WAVE scene works beautifully with the Cabaret Voltaire example, as the first time I heard they were Industrial artists I expressed surprise. The response I got then was, "well, are they New Wave?" Ha!

    I think most people into this kind of music are still more familiar with what came later - bands like Ministry, Skinny Puppy, and Nine Inch Nails are still more recognizable than are the "pioneers."

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    MCHN : Tue 3rd Aug 2010 : 10 years ago

    Found this earlier. Must say it's a lot to take in for a short read. This deals more with the pre history. Really great stuff here. I can say truthfully, I had no clue how far back the parallels and influence went besides Dadaism. Check it out.

    Cheers :D

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    n0mad23 : Wed 4th Aug 2010 : 10 years ago

    @MCHN - excellent link! Thanks!

    Offering up some seminal roots - Throbbing Gristle live at Kezar (San Francisco 1981)

    Part 1:

    Part 2:

    Part 3:

    Part 4:

    Part 5:

    Part 6:

    I do believe this was the last show TG did before breaking up, and seems to be the entire show. I'd say "enjoy" but I don't think that's the point!

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    Marius9 : Wed 4th Aug 2010 : 10 years ago

    Where I can appreciate the pioneers and emulating of pioneers of industrial, I prefer the more melodic third generation of industrial music. The stuff more fused and could even be classified as EBM, but for some reason remains under the industrial category.

    VNV Nation, Assemblege 23, Funker Vogt, Hocico, Icon of Coil (I wonder where that inspiration came from, lol) and Evil's Toy to name a few...

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    LazarusBlack : Wed 4th Aug 2010 : 10 years ago

    Skinny puppy,still one of my faves.
    Wumpscut is also at the top of my list.

    a really good collection is the Industrial Legacy series.Has alot of sweet tracks.

    been looking for some really good industrial stuff lately.something that gets back to the dark roots of souless,mechanical industrial..not all that darkwave/darkcore stuff ive been hearing so much of lately.

    RawHead }:)-

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    Cybertooth : Tue 10th Aug 2010 : 10 years ago

    i know every single one of those bands marius, i guess im getting the same thing as n0mad with his dub. i dont know what to say as i am not conciously well versed on industrial. so ill just link some songs
    (you are rocking this thread n0mad)

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    hardwareexorcist : Sat 4th Sep 2010 : 10 years ago

    i see this alot when people talk about industrial music. and don't get wrong, it think it's great that serious fans of the genre are so well versed in it's history, but we have to keep in perspective that we're talking about a genre that's over 30 years old.

    one of the most interesting things about industrial music is the range that it covers sonically. there's a great deal of subgenres that fall under the banner of 'industrial', each one with its own architecture and rules. you can have song oriented electronic based music or you can have formless noise and both are still considered 'industrial'.

    i think it's important if you're looking into writing industrial music is to first identify which subgenre appeals to you; ebm, coldwave, electro, etc. not only will this help outline stylistically what you're looking at, but it will also indicate what tools you'll need to accomplish that sound. with all the music making tools out there today, this is an important step. some kinds of industrial require nothing more than a sampler and a sequencer while others necesitate synthesizers and a full blown DAW.

    i hope this helps and good luck!

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    RapidRave : Mon 7th Feb 2011 : 10 years ago

    Anyone heard of Power-Noise? It sounds like it's a sub-genra of Industiral as some of the well established bands of industrial have made some. Most notiably Wumpscut shows up on the Wiki page, as does Noisex and Combichrist:

    They sound as though they are the opposite of EBM of the industiral scale. I'm intrested in making this kind of music, does anyone have a list of bands in this Sub genra of industrial that could be found and researched?

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    Jabbo : Sat 5th Mar 2011 : 10 years ago

    Speaking of power-noise, I think the definitive band is WHiTEHOUSE. They use some pretty extreme imagery (one hopes in an ironic way), but for sheer intensity of sound, they are hard to beat.

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    CyberSon : Wed 25th May 2011 : 10 years ago

    I'm with hardwareexorcist (what a cool name) on this one. Industrial music has many different sub genres spanning back to the mid 1970. I find it a fascinating and diverse genre. Kraftwerk were one of the early pioneers and they were the ones who inspired me with the 1981 track The Model (I was 7 at the time).

    Killing Joke were another big band for me as well as Skinny Puppy. Ministry and Nine Inch Nails were often regarded as Industrial Metal. Although listed NINs Downward Spiral album as "pop"? Don't think so somehow!

    I still feel a great deal of affection for this genre.

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    Cybertooth : Tue 16th Aug 2011 : 9 years ago

    so yeah, ive kinda been really into industrial music lately
    and i noticed that in the less freeform stuff, it's usually a drone chord until the chorus
    just as an example
    you know, just an observation
    it kind of gives it a grind feel until then

    also a term i've encountered, wtf is futurepop?

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    Cybertooth : Mon 9th Jan 2012 : 9 years ago
    your welcome

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    silverman : Thu 11th Sep 2014 : 6 years ago

    I made a track about ten years ago that I simply called ... FACTORY.
    The reason being is there were no musical instruments or human voices of any kind in it.
    Just samples of machinery and tools that I manipulated as best I could into something resembling a tune.
    I'll upload it.

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    Cybertooth : Thu 23rd Apr 2015 : 6 years ago

    In other news, i believe that WaxTrax! Chicago is back, run by the next generation

    Which sparked a thought, Industrial kind of falls into a weird place between "not rock" and "not EDM" a lot of times, which just makes it hard to find labels and promoters that are interested in your stuff.
    so linking more resources to stuff like that i think would be helpful in addition to what we have going here (which is admittedly not much)

    anyways, heres a really good vst i use a lot in my work:

    cant help but feel that general interest in this genre has some potential to come back

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    joecramer : Fri 24th Apr 2015 : 6 years ago

    Maybe i am the only one, but i think you should do nothing else then YOUR music and stop trying to fit a genre ... all this first class bands that named here gived a shit on what they had to sound like. Cause if they done that, they just didn´t make something new .......

    if you not heared it jet, you should listen to things like this :) .... 1970 handmade pre music of all things that came later ...... listen to the full 10 minutes!!!!

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