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    simmerdown : Fri 23rd Jul 2010 : 8 years ago

    dont know much, but i love dubstep, but i know how to cut and paste, lol

    to start, the obvious, know your history:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubstep
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    If anyone else asks how to make a dubstep wobble, you'll know where to link 'em

    Here's JahKnow on wobbles, Look no further:

    "Jah has been asked to present some knowledge on bass sounds, so I thought I'd drop a production technique that I find quite useful and is the way to get those complex moving basslines. It requires re-sampling. Something very easy to do in Live, and I'm sure isn't all that difficult to manage in most DAWs. So here goes.

    1. Create a bass tone using your favorite synth. Try starting with something just a lil bit dirty like a bass saw wave form. Create a midi instance about 10 secs long as to get a good long clean tone for resampling.

    2. Create 3 instances of that same latched note, 1 an octave above and one octave below the 1st {say A#3, A#2 and A#1} Now using whatever means is best for you DAW sample those 10 second notes down to wave forms, so you have samples of a dirty bass note in 3 seperate octaves.

    3. Using whichever instrument you prefer in your DAW or vsti {I prefer to use a basic instrument rack in Ableton with 3 instances of sampler or simpler in it.} {{Essentially any vst sampler of hardware sampler will be able to do this as well as Kontakt player etc.}} You want to set up the instrument in layers with each of those 10 sec. bass note samples in a respective layer in your sampler program. You'll now be able to trigger a midi clip bassline through that instrument with astounding frequency responses!

    3a. Set each sample to portamento, make the bend range for the high freq. say +13, the mids +12 and the sub range +10. This is what adds the mad movement to your bass lines whenever your pitch bend!!! Very Important!

    4. MODULATE! This is where we tune the sound. If you have an instrument , say a sampler, set up to play an instance of each bass tone poly phonically {3 voices} you can now add certain filters and effects to each bass frequency. Here's some of my favorite tips:

    5. Add overdrive to your mid range bassline. Distortion, bit reduction or even some vocoder style effects can add mad sounds to your layered bass. If you get real wacky and wanna try something fun, run you mid range through a vowel emulation style filters set to envelope follow. Try and open O sound ;) LFOs of course work well in the nid range if that's your pref. Wobble away in the mids. Maybe set the lfo rate to be effected directly by key range {higher faster, lower slower etc.}

    6. Try addng a phaser to the highs. You can even add auto panning effects to the high range feqs for added head bobbing effects.

    7. Subs! This where we add the buttkick. Try adding very subtle chorus effects to the sub range. It os a big time myth in the music industry that the human ear cannot decypher stero effects of freqs. below say 100Hz. I say they haven't heard a banging system compressed just right. ;). Ask any dubhead what they think of a bass sent hrough a random Mutron phaer! :D.

    8. This bass instrument you've just set up will now have the power to make those screaming hi range bass sounds and grumbling stomach wrecker sounds when pitch bending, all with tons of movement. If you are running Live, try now sending a version of the track into a version of corpus on send A. Set the sidechain filter to follow the midi clip you are sending through that sampled bass instrument. Now we're talking RECKA BASS!

    9. Try resampling this new bassline and repeating all the above steps. NO KIDDING. This is a fabulous way to get those wild and crazy all over the place line that you just couldn't have planned. Resampling is also the way to get the added noise the real way, without added vst plugins, especially if you have a hardware sampler setup going. ;)

    - Once you figure the basics out, you can now try re-sampling all sorts of wave forms. Sine waves, organ sounds, bell tones etc. Try sampling down a long clip of a tearing shirt, or and extra long moan, burp, car motor whatever you want. Try it you may be amazed at what you can find by seperating freqs, modulating them and then re- re-sampling!

    If that is all way to confusing or you want some help along your way to re-sampling gold, just let I know.

    peace ~ Jah
    Reply on 2010-02-07 16:13:36"- sampled from this past winter

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    Heres Jah again, The Basics of Dubstep arrangement:

    here is a very simple and straight forward structure for dubstep

    4/4 at 140bpm

    measures
    1-32 = intro (keep it simple, and easy to fallow rhythmically so dj's will want to match it up in the heat of a mix, or while performing)
    33-64 = bass and drums - main meat of the tune
    65-96 = add something (like a pad or slight change in bassline, some congas, or a arp synth) keep it rollin
    97-112 = break (take out most) (put your little voice sample in here, and a riser or a buildup take out the drums maybe the bass too.)
    113-160 = All in (bass, drums, pads) - climax of the tune..
    161-176 = subtract something (take out the congas, or the synthy arp thing)
    177-208 = outro (take out more stuff, get minimal here)
    209 = ending (a little sound, or a delay echoing off into the distance, or your little voice thing you used in the break.) I like to mix tunes that I can ride all the way to the end, and let the song mix itself out with the last little noise.

    I like to put fills in 1 or 2 measures before each change, i.e, measure 63 and 64 would be a drum fill, or a pause, or something to give it character. I find it nice to make each fill different. and that takes away from such a repetitive feel.

    so fills would be measures
    31-32
    63-64
    95-96
    111-112
    159-160
    175-176

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    got one in the works, this time i'm determined it be an actual dubstep, but it does have n0mad on didgeridoo, so im veering already, lol

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    Salook : Sat 24th Jul 2010 : 8 years ago

    Great db, i myself don't know much on the requirements need to make a good bass wobble but spent the best part of an hour researching even though you are on to a good start.

    This came from dubstepforums.com

    How to get a simple wobble bass.

    1) Choose a simple sound on your synth. (Anything apart from a Sine wave )

    2) Select your LFO and set it to the speed you want (1/8 would be a good starting point)

    3) Now assign the LFO to the Filter Cutoff. Which should for this example be a Low Pass Filter* as the sound we're going for is a deep bass.

    4) You now have a basic wobble bass, from here the possibilities for tweaking this sound are endless.
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    A quick breakdown of what's actually going on. Essentially you are taking a sound (that can be an audio files, generated by a synth, etc) and then passing it through a Low Pass Filter.

    A pretty straight forward technique i reckon.

    Here is the link which is full of more information.

    http://www.dubstepforum.com/wobble-bass-guide-t67507.html

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    simmerdown : Sat 24th Jul 2010 : 8 years ago

    Salook! hi

    here is a basic vid of what Jah was saying, though he takes it way further by tripling things up and adding different fx

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcMtxpUAKcQ

    thats what i did with n0mads didj sample and ummm, it works reallly well

    heres the basic way to do it in Massive (which is an awesome synth if anyone does not know that already!lol), great narrator in this one...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZYDmw2pYOk&feature=related

    here's how on Sytrus, fl studio:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7koAjIyXpUw&feature=related

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    some of my fav examples from on and off the Loop coming soon...

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    Cybertooth : Sat 24th Jul 2010 : 8 years ago

    i knew this was going to happen eventually, i suspect that a lot of professional dubstep artists sample distortion on a small woofer and use it as a wobble bass

    this one in particular does:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFYVu-wxWP4

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    StephenPotter : Sat 24th Jul 2010 : 8 years ago

    I've given dubstep a try, not really my genre but more of it is on the way. I actually use 3xosc for the bass, and the wobble is just a lfo on the cutoff :P

    Drums, I can just say one word for what they need. Reverb.
    A lot of it.

    Ste :)

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    simmerdown : Sat 24th Jul 2010 : 8 years ago

    Hey ct, gonna have to try that, already used normal bass samples with the technique above, bu tdist. would be cool, doing it sample based really throws the door open..

    for the snare drum, some use three snares layered, one crackin, one hard, and one with a ton of reverb and fx...also there are tons of tuts on youtube (of course), several for wobs in 3xosc

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    StephenPotter : Sat 24th Jul 2010 : 8 years ago

    If you want dubstep tutorials, look at some of kevwillow7's stuff over on youtube, he's got some good ones up for fl studio.

    I'm struggling at the moment, I'm lacking in ideas for this song.

    Ste :)

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    Unknown User : Sat 24th Jul 2010 : 8 years ago

    @ cybertooth, you didnt tell em about the collabo?? im working on that beat you and dv8 did! crazy ill man. i already know what im doing with it.

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    Cybertooth : Sat 24th Jul 2010 : 8 years ago

    me and dv8 are just swapping ideas right now, the reverse strings need to be fixed for sure.

    @ste
    just go in and see what comes out, most of my best songs come from that (most of them are dark ambient hybrids though)

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    Cybertooth : Sat 24th Jul 2010 : 8 years ago

    also what neoenigma is referring to is the combination of dubstep with people rapping angrily on top.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdYktLQAGcQ

    this obviously makes for a good combination as dubstep is generally much heavier, darker and grimier than hip hop

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    Unknown User : Sat 24th Jul 2010 : 8 years ago

    @cybertooth you got me addicted to that song, im going to download it.

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    StephenPotter : Sat 24th Jul 2010 : 8 years ago

    @Cyber You really like that song don't you? I've seen you post it time and again. Nothing wrong with that though.

    I'm aiming for either of these two styles though:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K8cCPUatRU
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGJxWOWpXpw

    Shame about the stupid ass comments coming from people who are probably my age group thinking they are mature talking about filth. Shame really, because I like both of the songs.

    Bet'cha didn't know I liked these.

    Ste :P

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    Cybertooth : Sat 24th Jul 2010 : 8 years ago

    milanese got me addicted to dubstep, probably partially cause its also glitch

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    Unknown User : Sat 24th Jul 2010 : 8 years ago

    @ste - Thanks for the heads up on KevinWillow7 tutorials on youtube,I like how Kevin really breaks it down from scratch. It's funny because for a while I was searching on how to create the wobble effect on bass, and incorporating it in my music. Thanks to this fine community, I've learned so much in such little time. Also, thanks for the music references and history on this genre, I'm really digging this style more and more everyday. Peace

    Pete

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    Unknown User : Sun 25th Jul 2010 : 8 years ago

    Neo and Cybertooth, check your inbox's men!

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    Cybertooth : Sun 25th Jul 2010 : 8 years ago

    @ste
    you should really listen to boxcutter, its a really similar style with elements of glitch. those are some pretty awesome songs btw
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp7YqM51hZc
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVvnUpOg5IA
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po1csm6_3I8

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    Cybertooth : Sun 25th Jul 2010 : 8 years ago

    oh yeah and DB, if you do sample woofer dist. send me it, ive already put out a request for it, and a wobble sample is the reason.

    we should get a simple freeware modfilter plugin or sampler vst with one linked up here to be helpful. i dont

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    Cybertooth : Sun 25th Jul 2010 : 8 years ago

    oops, forgot to finish the end of that thought, i dont know any freeware ones

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    StephenPotter : Sun 25th Jul 2010 : 8 years ago

    @cyber you know its gonna be a good song when only 4 people have commented on it. I like sidetrack, didn't feel like most dubstep I've listened to. Also, the best part is, no comments going "filthier than my browser history"

    But yeah, I liked boxcutter :P

    Ste :)

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    simmerdown : Sun 25th Jul 2010 : 8 years ago

    Helios 2

    http://free-loops.com/vst-plugin-31.html

    used it quite a bit, can do a lot of things, deeper than it looks but maybe not the best free sampler out there...

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    simmerdown : Sun 25th Jul 2010 : 8 years ago

    from the Loop favs

    Jahknow-Placate, the General in his Labyrinth

    https://www.looperman.com/tracks/detail/47392

    Ultrabase-Chaos and Raindrops (yet to find a better bassline on this site of off)

    https://www.looperman.com/tracks/detail/48551

    Chud37- picked one out, but for a dubstep education, dig thru his tracklist

    https://www.looperman.com/tracks/detail/64068

    more to come...

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    Ensam : Sun 25th Jul 2010 : 8 years ago

    http://www.vemberaudio.se/shortcircuit.php

    Here's a link to a highly regarded freeware sampler.

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    StephenPotter : Sun 25th Jul 2010 : 8 years ago

    Bieng as on other logbook threads people have shared their tracks, I geuss its time for me to do the same on here. Basically, today I've made two tracks, I uploaded one earlier, and I just uploaded this one:
    https://www.looperman.com/tracks/detail/74178

    Wierd title, I know.

    It took me a little while to get the bass right, but the rest was easy.

    Ste :)

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    jahknow : Sun 25th Jul 2010 : 8 years ago

    Something I've started to realize and play around with more is 'almost any beat can be used and made into a dubstep style beat'. Seriously. Tempo is of course the most important aspect (mine live in and around 136-145 bpm), but by pushing grooves across multiple drum lines and instrumental tracks, you'll find that nearly any 'style' of drumming can work with a dirty sub bass.

    You'll notice so many producers now using ALL sorts of drum pattern variations with dubstep. Personally swing jazz isn't my personal choice for drum grooves, but certainly many afrobeat and latinbeat influenced drums will work awesomely. Really the dubstepness comes from incidental and accents. A good drummer plays with feel and intuition, something a computer beat just won't have. Learn the fine art of of placement fills and accents. The little bip or boop that makes your head bob in that double time push dubstep style.

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